VN Ren'Py My New Girlfriend [After Party v2] [CircleGames]

[Blades1138]

MC is about as proactive as you get in the genre.

You're probably right in more ways than one. Even non-NTS games fall victim to passive MCs. It doesn't mean this aspect can't and shouldn't be better though. Especially with a somewhat divisive subgenre, it would elevate the game as a complete package.

He started a bit slow but saying he wasnt proactive last chapter is still just crazy to me. Yea, Vi came up with the idea to play a game but he got to decide on what the game was and when it ends. He made sure to bring Vi back to his place and then he made sure to punish the shit out of her. Vi gets to be proactive too, that doesnt make Eric just a passenger and Vi has continually asked Eric for affirmation.

We are 4 chapters and about the same number of days into the story. Eric is still experiencing clear growth, and its still crazy to me people are missing it. Although ignoring half the dialogue probably didnt help.

People aren't exactly missing it, they just have a different perspective. The reason you see criticism of that aspect, is because for players that aren't into this specific genre, these issues stick out like a sore thumb. Meanwhile they might be only minor nitpicks for the core audience.
While Eric has seen some growth, even his agency in the sticky scene was prompted by Violet coming up with the idea in the first place. Honestly it felt like she was in control for a lot of the sex scene as well. Overall it feels like MC is only proactive in very small doses. You and I don't have to agree - we can see the same scenes differently and both opinions can be valid.

Me giving this feedback is not to say that the dev must change the game's genre, or even the writing. If he wants to stick to a certain creative vision that's his priority and passion, and I'd rather have him finish the game than get burnt out by pushing it into a direction he didn't want.
However, if he is looking for feedback that's that might help the game appeal to a wider audience while keeping the core concept - that's mine.

Maybe someone could do a mod that changes up the dialogue. That way both sides could get what they want.

 

[idkmanerally]

Maybe someone could do a mod that changes up the dialogue. That way both sides could get what they want.

NTS-crybaby mod, a checkbox in the menu to enable Alpha MC Mode, where it changes all MC's dialogue to be tough as fuck, "listen up bitch, it's time to suck this other fellas dick, okay? and i don't want any back talk!"

finally, a mod for the dudes out there who are definitely NOT cucks, but just like to watch their wives and girlfriends get their faces fucked by random hobos around town

 

[angel__666]

There is an easy fix the dev should do about the lack of choices that would help increasing the immersion. As Vi only had sex with Eric so far, dev could add some alternative dialogue for the already existing scenes (no need to huge reword creating branches for now).

Right now the corruption is too fast and it doesn't sounds like a natural order of events. Even the corruption being something inevitable, the player should be able to control the pace (or at least try). Maybe adding some resistance, doubts, guilt in the dialogues... There is nothing more exciting in a corruption game than when the MC tries to have full control and the things goes out of hand. We could have the same progression for Vi's events, but these straight forward static dialogs with the MC begging to his girl to become a cuckold fails.

IDK just an idea (this could be useful to future branches as well).

I love this game, but TBH it's not a game... Sounds more like an erotic book. It must have some (several?) choices to make any sense for me playing this.

 

[SymbioticLife]

NTS-crybaby mod, a checkbox in the menu to enable Alpha MC Mode, where it changes all MC's dialogue to be tough as fuck, "listen up bitch, it's time to suck this other fellas dick, okay? and i don't want any back talk!"

finally, a mod for the dudes out there who are definitely NOT cucks, but just like to watch their wives and girlfriends get their faces fucked by random hobos around town

Eh, I was going to leave a more polite reply (and I sort of doubt Vi will be facefucked by hobos but I digress) but this does essentially cover the main point of what I was going to write. Ultimately Eric already is a pretty active and dominant MC within the context of NTS, he likely will be a bit more so as the story goes on... but it is still NTS which means certain boxes have to be checked just to hit the right notes.

One of the counterbalances is that he will get with other women, I do wonder if some of those will in any way tick a cuckquean or even netori box, it's something interesting to think about.

But I digress, point is you're more or less right. Changing the dialogue is ultimately silly, Eric isn't some super big cuck but he is ultimately in a sharing/swinging/exhibition/NTS relationship and no switching up the dialogue will change that core fact. And if Eric literally getting to rail the shit out Vi and a bunch of other girls still leaves some people feeling like he's too weak and ineffectual, they were never going to enjoy anything NTS.

 

[Pagoramix]

Yeah i can tell the difference, Ari is simply a lascivious friend, maki is the older sister that corrupt ya, vi is discovering her own corruption, anya is the white bird that need corrupting. Anyways, too early, we mainly have vi countent rn.

 

[Deleted member 1364951]

Yeah i can tell the difference, Ari is simply a lascivious friend, maki is the older sister that corrupt ya, vi is discovering her own corruption, anya is the white bird that need corrupting. Anyways, too early, we mainly have vi countent rn.

They all sleep with you and make you watch them as they have sex with other men. Yeah such a big difference lol.

 

[Sossse]

from what i gathered so far, a "true" ntr dinamic is set up to develop in another couple, between the best friend and ari. eric, even though he is still inexpiriences at this point in the story, has always managed to gather respect from the people around him ( i.e. even ari prising his dick at every given opportunity and vi bragging to ari how hard eric is baning her in bad), so it does not look like this story is going the humiliation route for the MC. more like he slowly "growing" into his position of having a bunch of very promiscues women around him and learning how to "manage" them and get as much pleasure out of it as possible. just my observation
(still hoping he gets dips on younger sister and mom )

 

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[palmtrees89]

I don’t know, the dev of the same "Shadows" writes that it takes him a lot of time to code and text. Therefore, his game is purely kinetic, he said that if add the choice and different paths will increase development time significantly.
I’m not a programmer, i don’t know how much time this actually takes.

In regards to paths; It's not just the code and script, but also a ton more images to generate, more story to develop. The more routes with various characters, the more complicated it gets. You'll have to plan ahead like...alot, otherwise you might eventually run into situations where previous scenes won't make sense based on dialogue or interactions between characters unless every individual route never crosses another, but at that point it's like creating a game inside the game and basically doubles or triples your workload if you wanna provide content for every route in every update, making a single update take way longer to develop (nobody wants that). And if you don't do that, you'll have to constantly go back in the story and create content for routes that have been left behind for months or however long, which all things considered would be a net-negative for everyone.

Way too many developers go down this path and we all know how it ends in most cases. 1-2 updates a year with luck or straight up abandoned. The way CG is doing it is, in my opinion, the way to go. Tons of people really enjoy his vision and the story, and those who don't, well, shit out of luck I guess. There are plenty other games to play.

I mean, there are rather simple choices like "Fuck character X in doggystyle / missionary / the good old Tokyo Sandblaster" as those kind of choices don't really have to affect future scenes, not much extra writing, only a handful of extra images, but creating entirely different choice-based routes for several characters is a pretty big task unless you have a dev-team behind you or the money to commission/outsource entire scenes. And even then, the time required to think of new content for each route alone is a mission in itself and a pretty darn exhausting creative task. This might work better if the entire game is planned out before the first image is generated as then you'd just follow the already existing script. Or, as you mentioned before, after the base game is finished (DLC). But it's questionable if the dev would be able to keep his fanbase around for god knows how long until he can start a new project due to the work on an already finished game.

Anyway.. Wall of text achieved!

 

[JojodoLolo]

NO TO MULTIPLE PATHS ! Please...
You will not be able to satisfy everyone anyway.
I kinda agree, that making every girl into a slut out of nowhere, is a bit cheap even for a game that basically doesn't have a plot.
My suggestion is to balance a bit the level of slutiness and sharing/NTR of the characters like:
Laura: the most ""romantic"" character in this corruption fuckfest game
Anya: still innocent but entering this world of corruption and sharing
Vi: Perfect example of NTS and exhibitionism, doing this for MC
Maki: The ultra slut! Not sure if it's going to have any actual NTR, but Makima is a NTR character itself.
Ari: the biggest slut. Poor saitama
It's just an EXAMPLE, but this makes the characters a bit different with different approaches and fetishes in a simple way. If someone doesn't like it, then just hit ctrl and skip. You know, the game doesn't have to be perfect for you to enjoy it.

 

[tallman102]

Not yet, like chapter 4 I will anounce the date once I know it's certain, meaning it will be anounced pretty close to the actual release itself...As a costumer I always felt sad when my fav projects didn't get an update on christmas time and I would love to have the chapter 5 ready by christmas or new years eve but at the same time I am not willing to cut the content of the chapter for that to be possible, this one will have a lot of scenes with mutiple girls and that takes a lot of time in Photoshop to bring to life at the quality level I desire...But it's early december so there's no point in talking about release date for anyone wondering, I will adress that closer to christmas.

Keep at it champ. Lot of noise in this thread but you seem to have a great system and idea around development. Story and visuals are some the best I've seen on this site. Nobody has ratcheted and kept the tension so high for so long, teasing and pushing the MC, and then the payoff is always worth it!

 

[Deleted member 1364951]

NO TO MULTIPLE PATHS ! Please...
You will not be able to satisfy everyone anyway.
I kinda agree, that making every girl into a slut out of nowhere, is a bit cheap even for a game that basically doesn't have a plot.
My suggestion is to balance a bit the level of slutiness and sharing/NTR of the characters like:
Laura: the most ""romantic"" character in this corruption fuckfest game
Anya: still innocent but entering this world of corruption and sharing
Vi: Perfect example of NTS and exhibitionism, doing this for MC
Maki: The ultra slut! Not sure if it's going to have any actual NTR, but Makima is a NTR character itself.
Ari: the biggest slut. Poor saitama
It's just an EXAMPLE, but this makes the characters a bit different with different approaches and fetishes in a simple way. If someone doesn't like it, then just hit ctrl and skip. You know, the game doesn't have to be perfect for you to enjoy it.

This is basically the summary of what i have been trying to say. This game’s entire plot revolves around sexual interaction and when you give everyone the same sexual interaction, it loses all its meaning.

Your example was great. Not everyone needs to be NTS material and not everyone needs to sleep with MC. Yet as you can see from dev’s answer to me, he intends to give same path to everyone. Every single one of female characters will sleep with MC and all of them will be subject to NTS.

I would say it is a waste of good potential, but judging by dev’s constant “XD” reactions, it is clear he wasn’t capable of telling a coherent story from the beginning.

 

[Dercuillo]

My suggestion is to balance a bit the level of slutiness and sharing/NTR of the characters like:
...

Good job describing the game so far!

 

[Nick_Lisa]

So what is the problem with NTR/Swinging that people seem to be so offended about?

And whats up with people saying that the characters are too slutty?
As somebody with actual experience, I can tell you from memory that I have never seen more slutty women than in this scene, which totally makes sense.

Once you commit to it, its all about lust, pleasure and letting yourself go in a way that you never have before, you're not in it to impress others...

 

[Deleted member 1364951]

So what is the problem with NTR/Swinging that people seem to be so offended about?

And whats up with people saying that the characters are too slutty?
As somebody with actual experience, I can tell you from memory that I have never seen more slutty women than in this scene, which totally makes sense.

Once you commit to it, its all about lust, pleasure and letting yourself go in a way that you never have before, you're not in it to impress others...

It is not about them being slutty. It is about we seeing the same dynamic with every single character. We can see the slutty side of NTS with Vi. And that is great. Can't we have a character who isn't get involved in NTS for a change? Does every character have to be carbon copy of each other?

And ok, let's say dev really wants to do corrupted shit. Fine. Let's have a character who really humiliates MC and doesn't even sleep with him. Well we can't have that too. Apperantly every single character has to sleep with MC and be involved in light NTS.

No one is offended by NTS. People are pissed about dev's claim of every single character will follow the same path.

But you know what? I am done. Apperantly people are pleased with dev's claim of everyone following the same identical path. Good luck with your harem light NTS game.

 

[kikomascado]

Hopefully we won't see any more of the same complaint over and over again, and the dev will indeed continue with his vision.

 

[SymbioticLife]

In regards to paths; It's not just the code and script, but also a ton more images to generate, more story to develop. The more routes with various characters, the more complicated it gets. You'll have to plan ahead like...alot, otherwise you might eventually run into situations where previous scenes won't make sense based on dialogue or interactions between characters unless every individual route never crosses another, but at that point it's like creating a game inside the game and basically doubles or triples your workload if you wanna provide content for every route in every update, making a single update take way longer to develop (nobody wants that). And if you don't do that, you'll have to constantly go back in the story and create content for routes that have been left behind for months or however long, which all things considered would be a net-negative for everyone.

Way too many developers go down this path and we all know how it ends in most cases. 1-2 updates a year with luck or straight up abandoned. The way CG is doing it is, in my opinion, the way to go. Tons of people really enjoy his vision and the story, and those who don't, well, shit out of luck I guess. There are plenty other games to play.

I mean, there are rather simple choices like "Fuck character X in doggystyle / missionary / the good old Tokyo Sandblaster" as those kind of choices don't really have to affect future scenes, not much extra writing, only a handful of extra images, but creating entirely different choice-based routes for several characters is a pretty big task unless you have a dev-team behind you or the money to commission/outsource entire scenes. And even then, the time required to think of new content for each route alone is a mission in itself and a pretty darn exhausting creative task. This might work better if the entire game is planned out before the first image is generated as then you'd just follow the already existing script. Or, as you mentioned before, after the base game is finished (DLC). But it's questionable if the dev would be able to keep his fanbase around for god knows how long until he can start a new project due to the work on an already finished game.

Anyway.. Wall of text achieved!

Agree with all of this but you're even underestimating the image difficulty to a degree, not the rendering of course which is fairly easy all things considered (although you do want to make your renders interesting/unique and not rote/repetitive) but rather the image editing portion can be very cumbersome if you want to make a quality product. Time spent in photoshop will greatly outstrip time spent prompting once you start to put a quality product together.

 

[CircleGames]

Hopefully we won't see any more of the same complaint over and over again, and the dev will indeed continue with his vision.

I don't know if I will continue with my vision the offensive and condescending coments were starting to convice me XD XD XD XD XD Hope the next update calms down the "pissed" people that linger in the coments section of a project they seem to hate, funny how some people say they gave up long ago but are still here that shit cracks me up so hard!! Could never be me...if anyone is wondering what my genuine reaction is to all the bitching and moaning, just now that it makes me laugh and that the project will move foward having no regards to such coments, I am good at making good visuals but I know I am not the best writer, hell, english is not even my first language but I think I am improving anyaway. The writting doesn't appeal to some people? Being my first try at something like this that's hardly a suprise ...Also, people calling for mutiple paths and options might not really know how much more work that would imply, the only people that know are game devs and even then, every project is different...This is something I already adressed mutiple times and I will most likely not talk about it again.

 

[JohnSmith7]

I don't know if I will continue with my vision the offensive and condescending coments were starting to convice me XD XD XD XD XD Hope the next update calms down the "pissed" people that linger in the coments section of a project they seem to hate, funny how some people say they gave up long ago but are still here that shit cracks me up so hard!! Could never be me...if anyone is wondering what my genuine reaction is to all the bitching and moaning, just now that it makes me laugh and that the project will move foward having no regards to such coments, I am good at making good visuals but I know I am not the best writer, hell, english is not even my first language but I think I am improving anyaway. The writting doesn't appeal to some people? Being my first try at something like this that's hardly a suprise ...Also, people calling for mutiple paths and options might not really know how much more work that would imply, the only people that know are game devs and even then, every project is different...This is something I already adressed mutiple times and I will most likely not talk about it again.

Dont listen to them, this is one of my favorite ongoing projects, keep it up.

 

[FayePlays]

I don't know if I will continue with my vision the offensive and condescending coments were starting to convice me XD XD XD XD XD Hope the next update calms down the "pissed" people that linger in the coments section of a project they seem to hate, funny how some people say they gave up long ago but are still here that shit cracks me up so hard!! Could never be me...if anyone is wondering what my genuine reaction is to all the bitching and moaning, just now that it makes me laugh and that the project will move foward having no regards to such coments, I am good at making good visuals but I know I am not the best writer, hell, english is not even my first language but I think I am improving anyaway. The writting doesn't appeal to some people? Being my first try at something like this that's hardly a suprise ...Also, people calling for mutiple paths and options might not really know how much more work that would imply, the only people that know are game devs and even then, every project is different...This is something I already adressed mutiple times and I will most likely not talk about it again.

Well, next time you see someone criticise yourself or your work, take it on board, give it some time to digest what they've said and ask yourself, "Why should I care what some wanker jacking off on a message board says anyway?"