VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.15.3] [Le Stag]

[Fyo]

This right here is what I was saying.

You have a Dom route that has no Dom in it.

Everything that is said by the MC is the same throughout the whole thing, the only thing that changes is her responses to you. The light blue and purple texts from her.

So, the whole main dialogue is static for the most part... The shit Laura says while having sex is what mainly changes. Some of the shit from the friends change too.

Yup, looks really hard to put an actually Dom path in, explain it all to me all you want.

It's like in your mind her responses is what defines Dom/Sub and that is not true. It's about how the MC acts and controls or doesn't control her. If he's a sub it's like it is right now, she runs wild. If he's a dom, she would not be doing half the shit she is right now unless he is allowing her. Laura sure as shit wouldn't be telling him what to do if he's a dom.
The bar scene with options pops into my mind once again, a Dom MC would have had the option to make her wait and feel sexually frustrated, it's part of being a Dom, might even told her not to cum until she got home and he allowed her.
He might have allowed her to fuck Oliver, but he sure as shit wouldn't have told her to chose what she wanted, that's a balanced response, not Dom or Sub.
When he said no to something on the Dom path it would have been no, not I'm doing it anyway.

You painted yourself into a corner by trying to give options and trying not to give options.
This whole thing would have been much better as a KN with no choices and no talk of Dom/Bal/Sub. Because that's what it is, name one time she listened to him about anything in the whole story when he said no or not to do something (wait he never gets the option to tell her not to do something). The MC HAS to agree to everything Laura says no matter what.

Laura defines the first set of boundaries telling him she will do what she wants to do and that's it. Not on the Dom path would she have done that. Then she says she might or might not tell him about something she does. That's just borderline cheating by not telling the MC.
Then later she says we need to set up some boundaries, and that never happens.
That is why I say you made everything static but the responses when she is having sex with someone or telling him about it. You can not have a static main story line while trying to have three different paths, it doesn't work like that.

Do what you want, your story is flawed the way it is. You don't even need the MC to be honest Laura is just a little slut running around doing what she wants.

The problem is you have a group of people that are only here for the pictures and give two shits about the story. They will defend you and tell you how great everything is and blow smoke right up your ass all day long.
Then you have people like me who will tell you it's flawed, it doesn't make sense.
The choice is yours who you believe and such, but these forums are littered with people telling Devs how great their VN is all because they just want the pictures to wank off too.
Some of us want a good story too, not just AI renders I can do in 5 mins on my own machine. Yes, I do AI art too.

I see so many Devs crash and burn all because they write like shit and keep doing so because the 'I want pictures' crowd makes them feel special. They don't listen to the people actually trying to tell them it's not working or doesn't make sense. Wait for it... Wait for it... I know it's Porn Logic! Right? Of course it is.

You have the potential to have a great great story here with three different paths. You have to put the work in to make it so and it's not as simple as here is what the MC says, oh and we'll change what Laura says to make it different paths.

Let's get one thing right, Laura is not being corrupted, she was a slut to start with. She went from 0 to 60 in about 1.2 seconds, no corruption there. She goes from fucking Nathan two times to, let's get rid of the condoms, hehehe. Oh and let's start thinking about creampies too because why not. Let me get on birth control because that works 100% and protects against all forms of STDs. For how many years did she fuck the MC and always used condoms, she fucks Nathan two times and all that's out the window. Yup she loves the MC, sure... SLUT from the start.

You might not like to hear it, but this VN is dropping the ball, it's a big mess and it's not to late to fix it if you just take the time to iron out the story lines. Make some options that actually matter instead of being an illusion to choice.

Good luck, I really hope it goes well for you.

Could be a little less dramatic but useful critique in this comment that's worth listening to.

 

[Silwith]

This right here is what I was saying.

You have a Dom route that has no Dom in it.

Everything that is said by the MC is the same throughout the whole thing, the only thing that changes is her responses to you. The light blue and purple texts from her.

So, the whole main dialogue is static for the most part... The shit Laura says while having sex is what mainly changes. Some of the shit from the friends change too.

Yup, looks really hard to put an actually Dom path in, explain it all to me all you want.

It's like in your mind her responses is what defines Dom/Sub and that is not true. It's about how the MC acts and controls or doesn't control her. If he's a sub it's like it is right now, she runs wild. If he's a dom, she would not be doing half the shit she is right now unless he is allowing her. Laura sure as shit wouldn't be telling him what to do if he's a dom.
The bar scene with options pops into my mind once again, a Dom MC would have had the option to make her wait and feel sexually frustrated, it's part of being a Dom, might even told her not to cum until she got home and he allowed her.
He might have allowed her to fuck Oliver, but he sure as shit wouldn't have told her to chose what she wanted, that's a balanced response, not Dom or Sub.
When he said no to something on the Dom path it would have been no, not I'm doing it anyway.

You painted yourself into a corner by trying to give options and trying not to give options.
This whole thing would have been much better as a KN with no choices and no talk of Dom/Bal/Sub. Because that's what it is, name one time she listened to him about anything in the whole story when he said no or not to do something (wait he never gets the option to tell her not to do something). The MC HAS to agree to everything Laura says no matter what.

Laura defines the first set of boundaries telling him she will do what she wants to do and that's it. Not on the Dom path would she have done that. Then she says she might or might not tell him about something she does. That's just borderline cheating by not telling the MC.
Then later she says we need to set up some boundaries, and that never happens.
That is why I say you made everything static but the responses when she is having sex with someone or telling him about it. You can not have a static main story line while trying to have three different paths, it doesn't work like that.

Do what you want, your story is flawed the way it is. You don't even need the MC to be honest Laura is just a little slut running around doing what she wants.

The problem is you have a group of people that are only here for the pictures and give two shits about the story. They will defend you and tell you how great everything is and blow smoke right up your ass all day long.
Then you have people like me who will tell you it's flawed, it doesn't make sense.
The choice is yours who you believe and such, but these forums are littered with people telling Devs how great their VN is all because they just want the pictures to wank off too.
Some of us want a good story too, not just AI renders I can do in 5 mins on my own machine. Yes, I do AI art too.

I see so many Devs crash and burn all because they write like shit and keep doing so because the 'I want pictures' crowd makes them feel special. They don't listen to the people actually trying to tell them it's not working or doesn't make sense. Wait for it... Wait for it... I know it's Porn Logic! Right? Of course it is.

You have the potential to have a great great story here with three different paths. You have to put the work in to make it so and it's not as simple as here is what the MC says, oh and we'll change what Laura says to make it different paths.

Let's get one thing right, Laura is not being corrupted, she was a slut to start with. She went from 0 to 60 in about 1.2 seconds, no corruption there. She goes from fucking Nathan two times to, let's get rid of the condoms, hehehe. Oh and let's start thinking about creampies too because why not. Let me get on birth control because that works 100% and protects against all forms of STDs. For how many years did she fuck the MC and always used condoms, she fucks Nathan two times and all that's out the window. Yup she loves the MC, sure... SLUT from the start.

You might not like to hear it, but this VN is dropping the ball, it's a big mess and it's not to late to fix it if you just take the time to iron out the story lines. Make some options that actually matter instead of being an illusion to choice.

Good luck, I really hope it goes well for you.

Looking at his Patreon it seems to go quite well for him, I would listen to those over 1000 Patreons instead of people whining here, because they don't get exactly what they want, too... Kinda a nobrainer honestly. You can have your critique, thats totally fair, but stop pretending you are the messiah that knows what is right and everyone that likes it how is is just too dumb to see real greatness... That whole houlier than thou-attitude does certainly not help making your case...
I would have no qualms betting a good bit that you aren't a patreon, because it's always the guys not wanting to pay that have the biggest mouth about how bad everything is and how they could do better... then do one yourself...

 

[thealiengunner]

For those asking for a completely different sub or dom path, I'll make it easier on you. Go donate 1000 to his Patreon and ask for it. What you're asking for would require a complete rewrite of every single chapter and duplicates of the chapter files for sub/dom routes. No one has the time for that for a passion project. If you want that, go make your own game. You'll quickly realise how time-consuming that shit is. He's not making enough to burn himself out so that 3 people can stop complaining about a route. He's not a AAA dev team, and the same people complaining about this are the ones that let COD run for 7 games straight with the same textures and a 2 hours campaign. If you don't like it, don't play it. (especially since you're not even paying the dude and you're downloading it for free from here.) Cheers.

 

[AcornHunter]

Looking at his Patreon it seems to go quite well for him, I would listen to those over 1000 Patreons instead of people whining here, because they don't get exactly what they want, too... Kinda a nobrainer honestly. You can have your critique, thats totally fair, but stop pretending you are the messiah that knows what is right and everyone that likes it how is is just too dumb to see real greatness... That whole houlier than thou-attitude does certainly not help making your case...
I would have no qualms betting a good bit that you aren't a patreon, because it's always the guys not wanting to pay that have the biggest mouth about how bad everything is and how they could do better... then do one yourself...

where do you think he getting all those 1000 patreons?
thru google search?
I become patreons myself only after seeing him actually listen and responding to people here

 

[ichi3000001]

anyone can share new showcase

 

[Jlmbey4]

just hope there will be lesbian or 3some ffm with ashley or tara because laura become boring now its like the same as the previous ,still love your work

 

[Lekereru]

That's what will happen with Oliver.

And no, I cannot just "skip scene". Because scenes build up on previous events. They're not independent little stories with no links to any other events. They're consequences of what happened before. If you skip scenes, you don't get more choices. You get the choice to have a story that makes no sense. And as much as some people keep saying they want that, I do not want to do it. I'm not going to butcher my game to give you an illusion of control.

Fair enough. You're very good at this and I'm really enjoying your work, keep doing your thing man.

 

[PlatinumWings]

just hope there will be lesbian or 3some ffm with ashley or tara because laura become boring now its like the same as the previous ,still love your work

i really want that , lesbian NTS is so rare and hot.

 

[goldencore]

Looking at his Patreon it seems to go quite well for him, I would listen to those over 1000 Patreons instead of people whining here, because they don't get exactly what they want, too... Kinda a nobrainer honestly. You can have your critique, thats totally fair, but stop pretending you are the messiah that knows what is right and everyone that likes it how is is just too dumb to see real greatness... That whole houlier than thou-attitude does certainly not help making your case...
I would have no qualms betting a good bit that you aren't a patreon, because it's always the guys not wanting to pay that have the biggest mouth about how bad everything is and how they could do better... then do one yourself...

You are not even considering one single point of his critique, but just say "Do it better!".
That's exactly the behavior YOU are blaming him for.
Maybe it's too much work to make really different branches, but his points are valid nonetheless.

 

[vmac]

Quick question, how do you trigger the secret pictures from tara?
Ive only managed to trigger it on a single run

 

[Le Stag]

Quick question, how do you trigger the secret pictures from tara?
Ive only managed to trigger it on a single run

They're completely random, and can only trigger after Chapter 22, so they'll be hard to get until there are more chapters, and more triggered interludes.

 

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Netorase Phone is an adult visual novel about exploring your sexual fantasies with your girlfriend.
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Although the tag says animated, haven't seen any

 

[zerosugar]

Just a quick side note. Happened twice now that I wanted to enable the ff button and accidently clicked on an answer becauce it just popped up. Maybe the ff button can be moved to another location in future updates.

 

[Xill]

Because it's a game? And people typically like to have some sort of input into how things play out? Just like in real life, if you tell your girlfriend you're kinky, does that mean you have to be open to every kink possible?

The developer is just one person from what I understand. If you expect him to make so many different branches then you should expect the game to take much longer for each update.

 

[APeX_VeNoM]

Hey can anyone share the save file having all the gallery photos unlocked, because i replayed the game multiple times from the start still there are a few left I wanna unlock all.

If cant share the file atleast tell me how do I get all the pics and hidden ones too.

 

[luccel]

2nd round of these type of comments btw happened for update 7 i think? it went the same as last time a few people go make the game for me the dev responds with how hes going to make the game they flip out go well ur not making it right then say im leaving the thread and the game goes on and nothing changes from them baby rage quitting the thread , the only thing we are missing are the thread leavers dropping a few 1 star reviews on the way out so every one can how super mad they are

 

[Le Stag]

Just a quick side note. Happened twice now that I wanted to enable the ff button and accidently clicked on an answer becauce it just popped up. Maybe the ff button can be moved to another location in future updates.

Yeah, a few people have told me that. I'm looking into alternate placements.

 

[Trughartar]

First: All in all, very nice update - that discussion with Tara, the sexting part (I played two updates now at once, essentially) - very nice!

So you're saying that every scene will reference previous scenes? Is it really that difficult to do:

if (fucked_that_guy == true) {
    // Some dialogue referencing that situation
}

Because it's a game? And people typically like to have some sort of input into how things play out? Just like in real life, if you tell your girlfriend you're kinky, does that mean you have to be open to every kink possible?


And that's all I need to know.


At the end of the day, it's your game and you must do what you feel is right. Cheers!

Yes, because it's not that simple. Every situation is based on previous events, even if they're not directly referenced. If you tell your girl to not suck someone's cock, how could you explain she's fucking him later?

So I'd have to write dialogues for each potential "did she suck the first time? The second time? The third? Did you tell her you loved it? Did she kiss another guy? What did you tell to Ashley?

Each of these choices would add up to the previous ones. One choice? 2 resulting dialogues. 2 choices? 4. 3 choices? 8. At 10 choices, that's 1024 potential combinations.

Just so you know, the game in its current state has 39 variables accounting for various choices. On certain dialogues, I already have to write up to 9 different variations depending on previous choices. 12 with the new tendency, 15 soon. I'm not going to duplicate all this because you don't want to participate in the game you downloaded. But I can probably add an Uninstaller if you need me to.

So yeah, you can mock me because "it's not hard to code". You can also read what I said, and realize that's not the issue.

I guess this is a discussion not to weigh in, but for what its worth ... and sorry for the wall of text!

Fully understood that Le Stag is in the driving seat here and this will reflect what he wants. On the other hand I do think that some of the comments have merrit and can make for an even more enjoyable game without more effort really.
First, if this is mostly about spam-like iteration of things, then totally with you, that can only be ignored, nothing else.
But personally I dont think thats what other comments like by GetOutOfMyLab are really about.


I'd actually read these comments primarily as "less effort would suffice" or alternatively "consistency".
If there is a choice, which does not really move anything - then why even put it in as choice. Pure flavor text does not matter one way or other of course, but eg if the thing with Oliver happens no matter what - then why two options with the effort of writing two separate lines of converasation items?
Alternatively, if it should be in, then consistency - it will happen. So a dom will tell her to do it. A Sub probably can only tell her "its your choice". Very sub maybe "its your choice mistress", i dont know

For example, the sexting chapter, that was imo really nicely done. All the choices there mattered - "only" for pictures of course, result was always the same, but still. For me that was highly enjoyable and also highly replayable.


And to go beyond that even - of course its totally clear that not all choices (even if maybe reduced to "choices which matter") can be fully reflected in the story. But to be fair, the story progressing does not depend on every detail in every scene before. For example interactions with the other girls - they know something happened, they see Laura coming from the bathroom - they do not need to know, nor do they comment on how long she deepthroated or whether she showed the cum afterward or whatever.
Having an interaction as a whole being "removable" is of course more of an issue, thats true - but then again, why would it matter if things progressed step by step from blowjob to cunnilingus to sex, would work just as well if the first encounter is just "heavy flirting" and then aborted leaving everyone horny and pent up, then no second date, then immediately "third base". Just saying.
(I know that earlier chapters wont change anymore, but would having Laura send that first lingerie pic to, whats his name, Mike drastically change the picture? Or having her send the second lingerie pic optionally neither to Nathan nor the MC but, whats his name, James? Again, just saying.)

But mostly I'm also here thinking about things which dont matter storywise. For example the threeway chat with Laura and Nathan - to be honest, that does not do anything for me. And it would not matter for the story one way or the other if the MC actually listened to it or not, it happened, everyone knows.
And there was a question in the "establish the kink" part in the beginning about "do you want to be there when it happens". Pure flavor at the moment, could easily be an additional variable though.

Again, to repeat, fully understood that all of this can be disregarded, fully understood that Le Stag will do what he wants. Thats how it should be. And some comments are really just out and out trolling.
But there might still be something to be thought through here, maybe to pick up the one or the other detail. Or not.

 

[Le Stag]

What I said is true, most of the people are only here for the pics. All they talk about is the next pic or how do I get to this scene. They're not here for your story, some people want to be here for the story.

Again, you consider you know the whole truth. You think you know what "most of the people" are here for, based on a few posts asking for pictures. You're missing the forest for the trees. Have you tried reading the comments on Patreon? Have you tried swinging by the Discord server? You'd see that most of the discussions there are about the story.

Please stop considering that you know for sure what other people want. It's infuriating, and condescending, both to me and to the other players you're putting into the same basket just because you think this thread is representative of everyone that play the game.

But when you have many people all saying the same thing it kind of does become a we thing.

There are currently 1236 persons subscribed to my Patreon because, I assume, they like the game in its current state. The "many people" you're talking about here are a drop of water in the ocean compared to that. Even if half the posts on this topic were a single person saying that, that had never said it before, that would still be 150 persons short of the amount of subscriber that are apparently happy with the state of the game.

So, as much as you like saying "we", your "we" is a small minority.

Yes, some people don't like the way I'm creating the game. Too bad. I can't satisfy everyone and, once again, I'm not going to risk destroying what I currently have to chase people that want something different. I won't jeopardize what the majority seems to enjoy to chase the wishes of a minority.

And I'm done having this discussion. I'm open to feedback, I really am. But I can't take into account feedback that is basically only "I don't like the way the game is, you should change it".

PS: before telling me to play my own game, you should try doing it yourself, because the Dom route is explicitly described as Laura being the player's "personal toy" that he shares. It has never been described as "MC tells Laura what to do".

But there might still be something to be thought through here, maybe to pick up the one or the other detail. Or not.

Absolutely. But it's hard to take feedback seriously when it's in the middle of a "we know how it should be" post.

 

[Silwith]

But mostly I'm also here thinking about things which dont matter storywise. For example the threeway chat with Laura and Nathan - to be honest, that does not do anything for me.

How would you change that part up for example tho? I personally love that the other guys are more involved, texting you and so on. And if sure, you can go the "I don't want to listen to it" and they have the Sex without you, but then you would probably want a description of what happens later like she normally does? Which makes the scene double the work.

Now, that could be done, it is "just" writing, but one thing I do love is the fast updates, while more meaningful choices would be cool, we all know it would slow down the update speed and I personally take a more streamlined experience where I regularly get new story over that.
I am happy with the small variations in every scene that lead to different pictures, that gives me replayvalue, collecting the pictures, while keeping the development somewhat simple, because we all have seen games with a lot of variables, it baloons and by Update 20 they need to keep track of 500 different possible choices.