VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.15.3] [Le Stag]

[nickohoma]

I think part of the issue is that MC is written as 100% ok and enthusiastic about anything Laura wants to do. While some players (yo) like the game, but are still hesitant to accept some stuff. So when MC is cool with stuff the player is not, it's jarring. Call it breaking suspension of disbelief, immersion breaking, whatever. But in the writer's mind Laura's actions are 100% fine, so he doesn't see why there would be conflict.

Here's a minor example. I 100% do not expect this to ever change, and I can live with it, but it's a negative moment in my mind. Kudos to Le Stag for making Oliver optional after the first encounter. After you tell Laura you don't like him, Laura tells you she does like him, and that he's really a nice guy. She eventually relents, but the conversation is written in a way that the player is taking something that Laura wants away from her. Anyone who starts down that conversation tree has already probably already decided they want him gone, so it strikes me as unnecessary drama. Probably 100% unintended, but there it is.

 

[hlfwaycrks]

There already is stuff like that in the game, there are interludes about Laura talking about past dates with pics of it, there is even an entire chapter dedicated to recapping a weekend trip they went on in the past. There's even multiple interludes of Laura talking about the times they have had sex and sent the aftermath pics to you. These things are all in the game already.

As I said across my last few messages, 1) I've advocated for the inclusion of stuff like that previously, and 2) I haven't played the game in several updates and am waiting for 0.13 before playing again. It's great that stuff like this was added in, and I hope it's enough to where it achieves the purpose of why I was advocating for it in the first place.

 

[Sanon441]

There already is stuff like that in the game, there are interludes about Laura talking about past dates with pics of it, there is even an entire chapter dedicated to recapping a weekend trip they went on in the past. There's even multiple interludes of Laura talking about the times they have had sex and sent the aftermath pics to you. These things are all in the game already.

The problem with the interludes is that they are completely random and they had been getting added like crazy. like 10+ every update and you only get one or maybe 2 between chapters. several are only available after certain points and it's just wild. My last full playthrough I only had like 5 pop up total and I know there are a shit ton of possible. It's easy to miss that content that this guy wants unless you play over and over again.

 

[hlfwaycrks]

The problem with the interludes is that they are completely random and they had been getting added like crazy. like 10+ every update and you only get one or maybe 2 between chapters. several are only available after certain points and it's just wild. My last full playthrough I only had like 5 pop up total and I know there are a shit ton of possible. It's easy to miss that content that this guy wants unless you play over and over again.

I didn't realize that could've played into it as well. I'm hoping that, when I do play the very dom path after 0.13, that I will experience these things that add to the immersion/reality of the relationship

 

[kikomascado]

And I'd like for the dom/sub toggle to come back in the options

Yeah, I don't know why it was removed. Some game have toggles in the options for if deviate from the route you want.
It would be really helpful, specially because rollback is not a thing in this game and the saving/loading for replaying is kinda rought.

There already is stuff like that in the game, there are interludes about Laura talking about past dates with pics of it, there is even an entire chapter dedicated to recapping a weekend trip they went on in the past. There's even multiple interludes of Laura talking about the times they have had sex and sent the aftermath pics to you. These things are all in the game already.

Well, to be fair the point already stands. We have some snippets of it, but 1) most of them are random events and 2) most of them are past events, before the sharing begun, so I also think we should have more of it, like they going into present dates and more photos of the sex after she come back from the bulls.

That's not really a bad thing though because that sets up some conflict or drama. Laura getting sloppy on the rules could literally be a storyline for the game to follow, something to add some interpersonal drama and lets the game be more than random sex scenes again, but instead everyone turned it into this "ntr vs nts" thing instead of allowing the dev to cook and potentially do something interesting with the story. This happened pretty much every time something that could turn into something more than a one-off has popped up.

I don't think the drama was ever intended, and it won't have drama if the MC just accepts anything Laura throws at him.
Like I've already said before, this kind of conflict can be really good to advancing the plot on a more story focused game, but I don't think this is it.

The problem with the interludes is that they are completely random and they had been getting added like crazy. like 10+ every update and you only get one or maybe 2 between chapters. several are only available after certain points and it's just wild. My last full playthrough I only had like 5 pop up total and I know there are a shit ton of possible. It's easy to miss that content that this guy wants unless you play over and over again.

I didn't realize that could've played into it as well. I'm hoping that, when I do play the very dom path after 0.13, that I will experience these things that add to the immersion/reality of the relationship

Yeah, for me these random events are one of the worst elements the Dev added. Every update I can't see all content, and with the non implementation of QoL features that are already a staple on Ren,Py games, like skip, rollback, quick save/load, infinite slots, right click menu, it makes really to try and get other routes.
Even with the fast forward active the text is not that fast, and it's even worse that when the game is not in focus it is paused automatically, so you can't do anything while waiting for the game to progress...

 

[duckydoodoo]

I hate emoji's. Not sure what I am actually saying in game when i click one, so i click them arbitrarily. cept the hearts one, whenever MC gf says i love you and MC is given the option to reply the same back I choose the hearts instead. cause i like the idea of going through the whole game with the MC never having actually said he loves the gf.

 

[hlfwaycrks]

Yeah, for me these random events are one of the worst elements the Dev added. Every update I can't see all content, and with the non implementation of QoL features that are already a staple on Ren,Py games, like skip, rollback, quick save/load, infinite slots, right click menu, it makes really to try and get other routes.
Even with the fast forward active the text is not that fast, and it's even worse that when the game is not in focus it is paused automatically, so you can't do anything while waiting for the game to progress...

This is quite disappointing to read. In suggesting that there be more scenes/content added that solidifies the depth and strength of the relationship, and establishes more memories and activities done together -- so that we can FEEL the love and trust between Laura & MC, not just be told that it's there -- I made said suggestions thinking they'd be a part of the universal experience and would allow the player to feel more settled in the MC's shoes, and allow the player to feel more connected to Laura.

Not having these experiences that build on the relationship be a part of the universal experience, and instead just relegating them to random happenstances, seems like a strange choice and doesn't feel like it's done in the spirit of how I've described it here. Knowing that these events are done at random and are not guaranteed to even be shown to the player makes them feel more... hollow, somehow? Hopefully, that makes sense.

 

[aqd]

I think there is a bit of conflict in that sub/very sub content lends itself a bit more to ntr (cheating/stealing) as opposed to nts (sharing/cuckolding). The ultimate demonstration of the bull's dominance over the sub is by stealing Laura away. Her distraction and ignoring the MC is part of his sub kink in a way, despite what may have been agreed to.

That can work for the two sub routes, but for the others I'd agree it's getting away from the foundational NTS kink. It may be best to have things that veer toward Laura breaking the rules only in the very-sub route, where her breaking the rules is a show of disrespect to the MC, making it clear where his place is.

The dom route, as several have said, could use a bit of a tweak to make sure the MC is the one offering Laura, coordinating who she'll see and when, etc. I think the same scenes can all happen with a small rewrite. And the MC would have the control to just skip content if they don't want Laura to see a bull.

 

[negeb18]

Le Stag you need to fixed this:



2.7 GB of ram just to play this game

 

[Sanon441]

This is quite disappointing to read. In suggesting that there be more scenes/content added that solidifies the depth and strength of the relationship, and establishes more memories and activities done together -- so that we can FEEL the love and trust between Laura & MC, not just be told that it's there -- I made said suggestions thinking they'd be a part of the universal experience and would allow the player to feel more settled in the MC's shoes, and allow the player to feel more connected to Laura.

Not having these experiences that build on the relationship be a part of the universal experience, and instead just relegating them to random happenstances, seems like a strange choice and doesn't feel like it's done in the spirit of how I've described it here. Knowing that these events are done at random and are not guaranteed to even be shown to the player makes them feel more... hollow, somehow? Hopefully, that makes sense.

Well chapter 28 had the chance to tell Laura to come to you instead when she was already with a Bull letting you have her instead of the Bull. That was nice.

Yeah, I don't know why it was removed. Some game have toggles in the options for if deviate from the route you want.
It would be really helpful, specially because rollback is not a thing in this game and the saving/loading for replaying is kinda rought.


Well, to be fair the point already stands. We have some snippets of it, but 1) most of them are random events and 2) most of them are past events, before the sharing begun, so I also think we should have more of it, like they going into present dates and more photos of the sex after she come back from the bulls.


I don't think the drama was ever intended, and it won't have drama if the MC just accepts anything Laura throws at him.
Like I've already said before, this kind of conflict can be really good to advancing the plot on a more story focused game, but I don't think this is it.



Yeah, for me these random events are one of the worst elements the Dev added. Every update I can't see all content, and with the non implementation of QoL features that are already a staple on Ren,Py games, like skip, rollback, quick save/load, infinite slots, right click menu, it makes really to try and get other routes.
Even with the fast forward active the text is not that fast, and it's even worse that when the game is not in focus it is paused automatically, so you can't do anything while waiting for the game to progress...

Yeah even the interludes are usually past events like he sharing picks she found that you lost on your old phone and she is sending them back, there are some that are current day, but since I have has so few of them pop up in my runs I have seen maybe 1/3rd of them. I'd have to check.

As for the the Drama, Yeah I don't think Stag was cooking up a plot drama arc, he would have explained that better. As with update 11 which also caught more backlash than he expected these with Laura having Nathan in the group chat while she fucked Oliver and updates MC, He was building to having Laura do a 2 bulls in a day thing, and I doubt her foresaw the backlash from people over certain oversights. These are fixable things that just got missed and were not expected i would assume.

 

[Sanon441]

Le Stag you need to fixed this:

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2.7 GB of ram just to play this game

That's so weird, 337mb for me over here

 

[hlfwaycrks]

Well chapter 28 had the chance to tell Laura to come to you instead when she was already with a Bull letting you have her instead of the Bull. That was nice.

That sounds nice; I'm glad that there's finally a choice presented that makes a meaningful difference. I look forward to finally catching up on this game once the new path comes out... I'm probably 10-to-12 chapters behind at this point.

 

[Chamika niroshan]

Le Stag you need to fixed this:

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2.7 GB of ram just to play this game

My 4gb ram phone can't run this game too it crash and didnt even open the game.. funny thing is battle royal games(pubg,ff) run smoothly in my phone LOL

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

My 4gb ram phone can't run this game too it crash and didnt even open the game.. funny thing is battle royal games(pubg,ff) run smoothly in my phone LOL

it badly needs an fps limiter like some of the other contemporaries..

 

[SoaringClouds]

I'm not sure what the people complaining about the dom route are actually complaining about. Saying Laura "forgot" to send pictures and updates is just a flat out lie. For one, it's been part of their arrangement that the dude will take pictures when she's too occupied and send them to the MC from the very beginning, which is what happens here, and for two, Laura literally reminded both Oliver and Nathan to take pics for the MC. This narrative that she was so caught up in the sex that she just completely brushed the MC off just isn't true.

 

[nickohoma]

I will gladly admit if I'm wrong.



She didn't let me know what she did in my game, even though it's an integral part of the kink.

 

[Silwith]

I will gladly admit if I'm wrong.

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She didn't let me know what she did in my game, even though it's an integral part of the kink.

I mean, tbf, the way it worded it would very much still count if she did it the next day and here it could be argued that Nathan did it for her already, so no need for double
Still tho, I get it, for balanced/dom players the mc feels a bit too "out" of the loop and what happens in that chapter. Would still argue to wait for the reworked part tho, since he made clear that is only next update... )

 

[hlfwaycrks]

I mean, tbf, the way it worded it would very much still count if she did it the next day and here it could be argued that Nathan did it for her already, so no need for double
Still tho, I get it, for balanced/dom players the mc feels a bit too "out" of the loop and what happens in that chapter. Would still argue to wait for the reworked part tho, since he made clear that is only next update... )

Yeah, stuff like this is going to have to be re-worked/re-written to achieve the proper dominant netorase experience we're looking for... I've not played in many updates and am waiting for 0.13 specifically because of the re-work, but I feel the dominant player experience should convey the feeling of the player "driving the bus" so to speak, not getting cut out/left out like he's anywhere below any of the bulls -- a dominant MC also means a submissive Laura, and that's a very important distinction to be made.

 

[Lagunavii]

the player "driving the bus" so to speak, not getting cut out/left out like he's anywhere below any of the bulls

I said something similar the other day. And I don't think it's something the "sub" players quite understand... But getting told about what Laura got upto by the bulls themselves is pretty much the least dom thing that can happen. It's so belittling. Added on top of that it was always only sex and to have her then sleep at the bulls house. It's pretty much MC is no longer in the driving seat and Laura's took over...

Basically in this one update... MC no longer behaves in a Dom way, Laura no longer behaves in a sub way. The characters have gone so left field it's somewhat unnerving. After all it's only a short journey from NTS to NTR and to some, it seems Laura has already begun those steps.

Obviously other players milage may vary and I can understand that to the Sub fans and somewhat the Neutral fans, this was a quality update, but that doesn't protect it from critism. There's a whole 3rd set of fans who just seen a path go somewhere they didn't want it or even perhaps it shouldn't have gone too.

Now obviously it's Le Stag journey and we are only here for the ride. It's ultimately up to him how we get there. That doesn't mean fans can't request/suggest a "course correction" of some kind. Esp When the game sets out at the start that they are actually routes and not just a "simple dialogue" change.

 

[Neel24]

I said something similar the other day. And I don't think it's something the "sub" players quite understand... But getting told about what Laura got upto by the bulls themselves is pretty much the least dom thing that can happen. It's so belittling. Added on top of that it was always only sex and to have her then sleep at the bulls house. It's pretty much MC is no longer in the driving seat and Laura's took over...

Basically in this one update... MC no longer behaves in a Dom way, Laura no longer behaves in a sub way. The characters have gone so left field it's somewhat unnerving. After all it's only a short journey from NTS to NTR and to some, it seems Laura has already begun those steps.

Obviously other players milage may vary and I can understand that to the Sub fans and somewhat the Neutral fans, this was a quality update, but that doesn't protect it from critism. There's a whole 3rd set of fans who just seen a path go somewhere they didn't want it or even perhaps it shouldn't have gone too.

Now obviously it's Le Stag journey and we are only here for the ride. It's ultimately up to him how we get there. That doesn't mean fans can't request/suggest a "course correction" of some kind. Esp When the game sets out at the start that they are actually routes and not just a "simple dialogue" change.

This is a perfect summary of everything that I feel about recent story events. I’m here for the ride along with Stag’s story. Still finding it enjoyable but it’s obvious that we dom players are missing out and this encapsulates precisely what has been my position for quite some time.