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akastyr

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Someone has a zip with all the updated photos?
check the last line of the following post

Showcase post on Patreon:

Tuesday Showcase #5: Chapter 19

Hello everyone, and welcome to our Tuesday Showcase!

Before giving you a preview of version 0.9, I'd like to address the state of the game.

As most of you have noticed, the rewrite of the Messages system didn't completely remove the soft-lock issues.

Basically, most of these issues are due to the game code being initially made for a 2 hours game built in three days. Its success made me extend it, but it created a lot of spaghetti code resulting in its state today.

For version 0.9, I'm rewriting the main game loop, in order to know exactly what's happening every frame. This will either remove soft-locks, or allow me to know EXACTLY what's causing them.

The bad news is that this work won't allow me to write three new chapters for version 0.9. I'm aiming for two new chapters for this version, and will try to catch back with version 0.10.
That being said, here's a small preview of Chapter 19, summarized in a single picture:

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Steve Carter

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In regards to the "mutual consent and respect between all involved parties", are we assuming the Player and the MC as the same person or are we separating the two? Specifically, is the emphasis on the Player playing the game consenting to an activity (effectively separating the Player and MC as two different entities), or is the emphasis on the MC within the game consenting to an activity (keeping consent consistent for both the player and MC)? The difference is that the player could consent to an activity like the MC being coerced or even forced into doing something, so the Player consents but the MC doesn't. I'm asking because on the submissive path especially, I think it will be hard to have the MC 100% consent to everything without imposing severe limitations to the story progression. On the dominant path and to a lesser extent on the balanced path though, MC consent would be very important to maintain.

I'm almost thinking it may be a good idea to have another app on the phone, like a link to a "sexual preference quiz" or something, where you can make these choices outside of the main dialogue choices (although I still like the idea of establishing the ground rules in the normal text dialogue with Laura as it is important to establish the relationship).
 

WhiteFireDaemon

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In regards to the "mutual consent and respect between all involved parties", are we assuming the Player and the MC as the same person or are we separating the two? Specifically, is the emphasis on the Player playing the game consenting to an activity (effectively separating the Player and MC as two different entities), or is the emphasis on the MC within the game consenting to an activity (keeping consent consistent for both the player and MC)? The difference is that the player could consent to an activity like the MC being coerced or even forced into doing something, so the Player consents but the MC doesn't. I'm asking because on the submissive path especially, I think it will be hard to have the MC 100% consent to everything without imposing severe limitations to the story progression. On the dominant path and to a lesser extent on the balanced path though, MC consent would be very important to maintain.

I'm almost thinking it may be a good idea to have another app on the phone, like a link to a "sexual preference quiz" or something, where you can make these choices outside of the main dialogue choices (although I still like the idea of establishing the ground rules in the normal text dialogue with Laura as it is important to establish the relationship).
The way I see it is that we (the player) are basically the same as the MC. You play as if it is you, but obviously you're not going to be seeing every moment of their lives as the player. Some stuff MC does happens off screen so to speak, such as going to work. So it could be that the talk about consent and all is implied to have happened in one of these off camera scenes, but on the other hand, when stuff comes up, Laura basically talks to you about it all first. Unless I'm forgetting something, she's constantly checking with the MC first before she ever does anything which is basically checking on consent at each stage.
 

Adamska

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she's constantly checking with the MC first before she ever does anything which is basically checking on consent at each stage.
It felt a lot more like Laura is telling the MC what's about to happen no matter what. If he's horny about it cool, if not then get over it wimp it's too late. That's a big difference from checking in for consent. The story began to feel much more NTR than NTS to me as it developed because of stuff like that (hey maybe I don't want you burping up Nathan's cum every day, babe). Even on the Dom route, she calls herself Nathan's slut ("making me his slut" every 2min) more often than the MC's slut. The MC isn't participating and directing, he's sitting there being told what Laura wants to do (which is always Nathan). The whole affair can be kicked off by the MC casually saying that he's only a little jealous about his gf on a beach with a bikini. She parlays that like Dwight Schrute with a thumb tack into a second life with a new boyfriend. The girls are in the drivers seat AND mocking/teasing constantly without sharing anything at all, it feels a lot like they are just planning everything privately for their benefit and stringing the MC along. Ashley is super sexually open and wants to show Laura how great the lifestyle can be, but not MC? Why not pick another similar couple to introduce them to the lifestyle instead of Megadick Singlechad? It can be a grating perspective for some readers, hope it turns around because I do like the format.
 
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WhiteFireDaemon

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It felt a lot more like Laura's telling the MC what is about to happen no matter what (if he's horny about it cool, if not then get over it wimp it's too late), which is a big difference from checking in for consent. That's why the story began to feel much more NTR than NTS to me as it developed. The MC isn't participating and directing, he's sitting there being told what Laura wants to do (which is always Nathan). I mean the whole affair can be kicked off by the MC casually saying that he's only a little jealous about his gf on a beach with a bikini. She parlays that like Dwight Schrute with a seed packet into a second life with a new boyfriend. The girls are in the drivers seat AND mocking/teasing constantly without sharing anything at all, which can be a grating perspective for some. Hope it turns around because I do like the format.
Being jealous might've been the first step, but it really took off when she asked him if he'd have a problem with her kissing another guy. As for the whole legitimacy of mc's consent or Laura bulling him into whatever, on either path, it stems from MC wanting her to sleep with other guys. It does sound though that you're only really looking at it from the sub path where Laura is being the dominant one. That said, I don't really see it being as Laura is bulling him into consent so much as she's just rolling with his humiliation kink. They are both very much enjoying everything that's happening.
 
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Adamska

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Because it's a netorase game, not a swinging game. Says so right on the tin. That's not a valid complaint, Adamska.
The couple talked about an open relationship, that's a two way street. Please explain how the MC getting play and sending his own competing porn studio images to Laura instead of holding his dick waiting for her to leave Nathan's bed would prevent this from being Netorase.
 

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The couple talked about an open relationship, that's a two way street. Please explain how the MC getting play and sending his own competing porn studio images to Laura instead of holding his dick waiting for her to leave Nathan's bed would prevent this from being Netorase.
It wouldn't. Neither would the MC designing a spaceship and everyone leaving for Mars. The point is that complaining about those things not being in the game is not logical. It is a netorase game. Complaining that it doesn't have something other than netorase is silly.

If you find NTR grating, don't play games aimed at that kink. Complaining that it's not a swinging game or that the male MC isn't getting any on the side is just foolish. It is literally called "Netorase Phone." Not "Open Relationship Phone." Not "Swinging Phone." The only person it would be fair to complain about not getting any action outside the relationship is Laura.
 

Adamska

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I want more pictures and stories/routes in the game reflecting my kinks, that's why I take the time to write out my thoughts here. Protagonists are allowed to have sex with other people and be dominant in a netorase story, certainly in an open relationship which the couple enters into here. MC in this story can say multiple times sleeping with others interests him and Laura never entertains it, and there is a route implied to make the protag a Dom but it feels half baked due to the single main route. The key for netorase is just that the protag is willingly sharing their partner. I don't know why the NTR/NTS theme nuances get so muddled so often. Netorase does not exclusively require a beta cuck POV. There was a description a few pages back of a super hot approach to the party scene where the MC attends and played around with Ashley while listening to Laura's moans and can choose to carry Laura home after when she's too tired. Like... instantly more erotic with a way better "being involved" feeling, imo.

EDIT: Found the quote. This post is worth checking out in its entirety as I think davila does a great job highlighting path changes that could be made in the future to appease more readers. Totally get that it's the dev's game and theirs alone, just commenting because I see a lot of potential here:

A specific change that I would make would be for our protagonist to go to the party, and there decide if we want she to kiss Nathan in public or not. Then, we would go to bed with our girlfriend's friend, and she would give two options:

1. Have oral sex with her (give, recive, or both)
2. Being masturbated or masturbating while listening to the moans

Then we decide if we want to go home with our girlfriend, or if we let her rest in the same bed as Nathan.
Maybe that's the night Ashley starts calling us Silver Tongue instead of Cucky?
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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Being jealous might've been the first step, but it really took off when she asked him if he'd have a problem with her kissing another guy. As for the whole legitimacy of mc's consent or Laura bulling him into whatever, on either path, it stems from MC wanting her to sleep with other guys. It does sound though that you're only really looking at it from the sub path where Laura is being the dominant one. That said, I don't really see it being as Laura is bulling him into consent so much as she's just rolling with his humiliation kink. They are both very much enjoying everything that's happening.
If she's doing it to satisfy his own kinds and not her own selfishness, then it'd be useful to have a few dialogue exchanges to clearly differentiate the two. Right now, the outcomes are nearly indistinguishable so I totally understand how players could feel that way.
It wouldn't. Neither would the MC designing a spaceship and everyone leaving for Mars. The point is that complaining about those things not being in the game is not logical. It is a netorase game. Complaining that it doesn't have something other than netorase is silly.

If you find NTR grating, don't play games aimed at that kink. Complaining that it's not a swinging game or that the male MC isn't getting any on the side is just foolish. It is literally called "Netorase Phone." Not "Open Relationship Phone." Not "Swinging Phone." The only person it would be fair to complain about not getting any action outside the relationship is Laura.
There's this sneaky two-step people are pulling which is to say "This game is X, so why are you complaining it doesnt have Y!", when the unspoken subtext is they not only enjoy X, they enjoy X at the exclusion of Y. Are people's imaginations really so small they can't picture how hot it would be to have Ashley blowing the MC while he simultaneously watches Nathan railing Laura?

Whether a player enjoys NTR games shouldn't have any relevance here, as this isn't branded as an NTR game. It's called "Netorase Phone", so by the same extension it makes no sense to say "dont play games aimed at that kink" (NTR).
 

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Hi Le Stag
A small "report" about the content and a small "inconsistency" at least in the 0.8.8

In the last chapter when Laura goes to Nathan
At the end she said they are "both showered and clothed" but just after saying he is still under shower :(

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Thx for the game
She said: I am under both of these conditions, "showered" and "clothed". Thus, "I'm... both showered and clothed".
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