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Aksy

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Yes, because it's not that simple. Every situation is based on previous events, even if they're not directly referenced. If you tell your girl to not suck someone's cock, how could you explain she's fucking him later?

So I'd have to write dialogues for each potential "did she suck the first time? The second time? The third? Did you tell her you loved it? Did she kiss another guy? What did you tell to Ashley?

Each of these choices would add up to the previous ones. One choice? 2 resulting dialogues. 2 choices? 4. 3 choices? 8. At 10 choices, that's 1024 potential combinations.

Just so you know, the game in its current state has 39 variables accounting for various choices. On certain dialogues, I already have to write up to 9 different variations depending on previous choices. 12 with the new tendency, 15 soon. I'm not going to duplicate all this because you don't want to participate in the game you downloaded. But I can probably add an Uninstaller if you need me to.

So yeah, you can mock me because "it's not hard to code". You can also read what I said, and realize that's not the issue.

And also, I'm fucking tired to have to constantly repeat that to people that don't care, because they think "adding choices" is nothing more than writing two lines of text to day "okay, I won't do it", without thinking even for a second of the consequences.

So you know what I'll do? Version 0.11 will have choices. If you say "no", the game closes. You can thank me later.
I love your answers, pretty interesting and constructives!

May I suggest one thing?
I loved how we saw how many pictures wehave to get(story or interlude), I'd suggest you could add something like (chapter x missing x pictures. That way, collectors can only replay the chapters until they get the picture?
on my end I miss only 25 pictures and it's hard as F*** to get them...
 

Le Stag

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I loved how we saw how many pictures wehave to get(story or interlude), I'd suggest you could add something like (chapter x missing x pictures. That way, collectors can only replay the chapters until they get the picture?
on my end I miss only 25 pictures and it's hard as F*** to get them...
I've started registering the source of each picture on my side. Now I just have to find a way to display that properly.
 

akki_sky

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May 29, 2024
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Man I'm glad you can whine and over inflate things.

There is only one path in this game, Sub, everything else is an illusion. There is no Dom, the MC is control of nothing. Laura runs around doing what Laura wants no matter what the MC says.

Option 1 or option 2... Choices on screen for Dom path, Let Laura choose or option 2... What happened to option 1? Why even offer it?
Want me to send you a pic? No. Too bad...
I'm lonely. Choices, Why don't you call Nathan, What do you want to do? Both choices = fuck Nathan, Why have a choice here?

Not about being tailor made, it's about having options MEAN something and not be empty, having a true Dom path instead of it all being a Sub path to varying degrees.

Should rename it to, The Story of Laura. Because right now that's what it is.

You get hints on the Dom path of saying how you don't really like something or feel uncomfortable. But none of that matters she'll still go blow the dude in the bathroom or chose no more condoms for you because your input means absolutely dick.

Be happy Dev people are complaining or taking the time to post about what they see is wrong. It shows they're interested and want to see it do better while letting you know what they think is wrong with it. Doesn't mean you have to change anything if you don't want to, but sometimes you should sit back and think about what people are saying.

Again Dev's story to do with as they please, but hallow choices are just that hallow.
Yes, I agree with you. I also started discussion couple days ago about how Laura talk but many here started defending that everything was fine. there are option choices like that , when Laura tells MC about adultgram link of nathan, I chose I don't want it but later she still send it later after he post her first picture. Then I also chose I not sure about her profile, but she doesn't care and start talking about how she will give relief to nathan or something like that. In one path I also wanted to skip ashley, I said I dont want her photo but then she starts sending Laura's old photos(That was good:p).
I know dev cannnot add different paths, but atleast, after choice there should be option to skip that scene. There is no need to force every scene. some updates can feel shorter because people did not chose that path, it's fine.
 
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Sixty

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*SNIP* Entirely righteous response
The good thing about NTR/S/cuck/hotwife games is that they evoke strong emotions. They're not just boner fuel, it's an emotionally intense kink.

The bad thing about NTR/S/cuck/hotwife games is that they evoke strong emotions. They're not just boner fuel, it's an emotionally intense kink.

A lot of the people playing these games aren't fully conscious of all the whys of their own kink, and don't do well with the stronger emotions. One of the consequences being that they get intense when things aren't exactly as they want them or they can't make the exact choice that fits their kink. There are a couple guys that follow the ntr tag that I haven't seen in this thread yet who will REALLY drive you up a wall when they find the game.

Cheers, man. Always a complicated relationship with the fanbase when you tell this kind of story.

[virtual fist bump goes here]
 

Le Stag

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Yes, I agree with you. I also started discussion couple days ago about how Laura talk but many here started defending that everything was fine. there are option choices like that , when Laura tells MC about adultgram link of nathan, I chose I don't want it but later she still send it later after he post her first picture. Then I also chose I not sure about her profile, but she doesn't care and start talking about how she will give relief to nathan or something like that. In one path I also wanted to skip ashley, I said I dont want her photo but then she starts sending Laura's old photos(That was good:p).
I know dev cannnot add different paths, but atleast, after choice there should be option to skip that scene. There is no need to force every scene. some updates can feel shorter because people did not chose that path, it's fine.
That's what will happen with Oliver.

And no, I cannot just "skip scene". Because scenes build up on previous events. They're not independent little stories with no links to any other events. They're consequences of what happened before. If you skip scenes, you don't get more choices. You get the choice to have a story that makes no sense. And as much as some people keep saying they want that, I do not want to do it. I'm not going to butcher my game to give you an illusion of control.
 

Silwith

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The issue is that, if you skip a scene, it changes the story. And now, I have to make dozens of variations of dialogues for every scene, because there are dozens of variations of scenes you could have gotten by saying "no". And in the end, I'll spend more time creating variants for people that don't want to participate in the kink, than actual content for the game.
Yeah, don't worry about it, one of the great things of this game is the Update Cycle, you update fast enough that it constantly keeps my interest, I very much prefer this over more choice and paths I have to wait much longer for, and I think many others do too. Should you decide to do a little 1/2$ Patreon Tier for "just a little support" without any perks I would sub ;) (Just can't give all the Devs I think deserve it 5+$ a month :D)
PS: Really liked the new Update and Oliver, I do really enjoy the more... condescending(?) way he goes for it. Also happy you did introduce a new character for that, because Nathans more positive and respectful personality is very refreshing and I would hate to see him change from that :D

I wonder if some minor tweaks could alleviate these issues. Like instead of Laura wanting to go condomless, in the sub path she chooses, in the Dom path you tell her to go condomless for you, and then let Nathan have that privilege next time she sees him.
So... at least for the first you can do exactly that tho? In my main playtrough the MC still uses Condoms and only nathan is allowed raw, but I am 99% sure you can have her raw yourself first, before Nathan does, similar to how you can have anal with her already and only if you decide not to Nathan will be the first? ... :eek:
 
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GetOutOfMyLab

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Yes, because it's not that simple. Every situation is based on previous events, even if they're not directly referenced. If you tell your girl to not suck someone's cock, how could you explain she's fucking him later?

So I'd have to write dialogues for each potential "did she suck the first time? The second time? The third? Did you tell her you loved it? Did she kiss another guy? What did you tell to Ashley?

Each of these choices would add up to the previous ones. One choice? 2 resulting dialogues. 2 choices? 4. 3 choices? 8. At 10 choices, that's 1024 potential combinations.

Just so you know, the game in its current state has 39 variables accounting for various choices. On certain dialogues, I already have to write up to 9 different variations depending on previous choices. 12 with the new tendency, 15 soon. I'm not going to duplicate all this because you don't want to participate in the game you downloaded. But I can probably add an Uninstaller if you need me to.

So yeah, you can mock me because "it's not hard to code". You can also read what I said, and realize that's not the issue.
Now you're just being ridiculous. First off, I wasn't mocking you. And everything you're complaining about, other devs have no problem doing... But, you know... they also have to make a ton of renders for each situation, too. You have a mostly text game with a few images here or there. 39 Variables? Some projects have hundreds.

Anyway, I was outta here after your last post. So, good luck on your game, dev-kun! Peace! :4Head:
 

Sixty

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Now you're just being ridiculous. First off, I wasn't mocking you. And everything you're complaining about, other devs have no problem doing... But, you know... they also have to make a ton of renders for each situation, too. You have a mostly text game with a few images here or there. 39 Variables? Some projects have hundreds.

Anyway, I was outta here after your last post. So, good luck on your game, dev-kun! Peace! :4Head:
And those projects update once or twice a year, even if they have teams of devs. If you're out of here, be out of here. Quit being a dick.
 

AcornHunter

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That's what will happen with Oliver.

And no, I cannot just "skip scene". Because scenes build up on previous events. They're not independent little stories with no links to any other events. They're consequences of what happened before. If you skip scenes, you don't get more choices. You get the choice to have a story that makes no sense. And as much as some people keep saying they want that, I do not want to do it. I'm not going to butcher my game to give you an illusion of control.
Bro, relax....
Do what you doing, enjoy fun of creation and a little of Patreon income.
At some point you will have a lot of contest, a lot of feedback and requests and less income and you can actually sit and start doing branches, fixing bugs and little logical mistakes.... or just close the project.
You have only 3 paths - balanced, dom and sub.
You might keep balanced in kinetic story mode, and give to dom and sub 2-3 additional branches.
I am sure this is not that hard.
All interactions with Ash and Tara can be the same with a little of "flavor" in conversations depends on the patch.


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Sanon441

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Yeah, don't worry about it, one of the great things of this game is the Update Cycle, you update fast enough that it constantly keeps my interest, I very much prefer this over more choice and paths I have to wait much longer for, and I think many others do too. Should you decide to do a little 1/2$ Patreon Tier for "just a little support" without any perks I would sub ;) (Just can't give all the Devs I think deserve it 5+$ a month :D)
PS: Really liked the new Update and Oliver, I do really enjoy the more... condescending(?) way he goes for it. Also happy you did introduce a new character for that, because Nathans more positive and respectful personality is very refreshing and I would hate to see him change from that :D


So... at least for the first you can do exactly that tho? In my main playtrough the MC still uses Condoms and only nathan is allowed raw, but I am 99% sure you can have her raw yourself first, before Nathan does, similar to how you can have anal with her already and only if you decide not to Nathan will be the first? ... :eek:
NOt what I meant tho. In all routes Laura is the one who wants to go condomless with Nathan, she just gives you the option to be first. What I am saying is to have her choose to go condomless first in only the sub path, but in the Dom path you tell her to ditch the condoms. It's a matter of who broaches the topic and makes the decision in the first place. Laura telling you she will go condomless and you can choose to be her first or second or never works fine in the Sub but not in the Dom. In the Dom it makes sense if you are the one deciding she shouldn't use condoms first and she agrees with you, then you decide who gets to go raw first.
 

MK12MOD1

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Bro, relax....
Do what you doing, enjoy fun of creation and a little of Patreon income.
At some point you will have a lot of contest, a lot of feedback and requests and less income and you can actually sit and start doing branches, fixing bugs and little logical mistakes.... or just close the project.
You have only 3 paths - balanced, dom and sub.
You might keep balanced in kinetic story mode, and give to dom and sub 2-3 additional branches.
I am sure this is not that hard.
All interactions with Ash and Tara can be the same with a little of "flavor" in conversations depends on the patch.


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save file location?
 

ass234

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I've started registering the source of each picture on my side. Now I just have to find a way to display that properly.
This might be a dumb suggestion Le Stag but could you just have them all numbered 1 - ** and then pics we dont have will just appear as a blank with the number of the pic or a blurred pic with the number overtop?
 
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akki_sky

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This game needs walkthrough because i have no idea that there was such a pic of Ashley and there cowgirl ride pic also. It's looks like Tara made them but how to trigger them
I also don't know how to get this one. But if you want Ashley reverse cowgirl then while texting with Tara, don't ask for her picture. So then if she peek on Ashley, she will send that cowgirl pic and if she peek on Laura, she will send Laura pic. You can get only one pic at time, It can be Tara, Ashley or Laura.
 

bolbolsep

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Bro, relax....
Do what you doing, enjoy fun of creation and a little of Patreon income.
At some point you will have a lot of contest, a lot of feedback and requests and less income and you can actually sit and start doing branches, fixing bugs and little logical mistakes.... or just close the project.
You have only 3 paths - balanced, dom and sub.
You might keep balanced in kinetic story mode, and give to dom and sub 2-3 additional branches.
I am sure this is not that hard.
All interactions with Ash and Tara can be the same with a little of "flavor" in conversations depends on the patch.


For everyone else
Save 224 out of 232
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You'll have to share your whole save folder to access all the photos. Thanks!
 

Fyo

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This right here is what I was saying.

You have a Dom route that has no Dom in it.

Everything that is said by the MC is the same throughout the whole thing, the only thing that changes is her responses to you. The light blue and purple texts from her.

So, the whole main dialogue is static for the most part... The shit Laura says while having sex is what mainly changes. Some of the shit from the friends change too.

Yup, looks really hard to put an actually Dom path in, explain it all to me all you want.

It's like in your mind her responses is what defines Dom/Sub and that is not true. It's about how the MC acts and controls or doesn't control her. If he's a sub it's like it is right now, she runs wild. If he's a dom, she would not be doing half the shit she is right now unless he is allowing her. Laura sure as shit wouldn't be telling him what to do if he's a dom.
The bar scene with options pops into my mind once again, a Dom MC would have had the option to make her wait and feel sexually frustrated, it's part of being a Dom, might even told her not to cum until she got home and he allowed her.
He might have allowed her to fuck Oliver, but he sure as shit wouldn't have told her to chose what she wanted, that's a balanced response, not Dom or Sub.
When he said no to something on the Dom path it would have been no, not I'm doing it anyway.

You painted yourself into a corner by trying to give options and trying not to give options.
This whole thing would have been much better as a KN with no choices and no talk of Dom/Bal/Sub. Because that's what it is, name one time she listened to him about anything in the whole story when he said no or not to do something (wait he never gets the option to tell her not to do something). The MC HAS to agree to everything Laura says no matter what.

Laura defines the first set of boundaries telling him she will do what she wants to do and that's it. Not on the Dom path would she have done that. Then she says she might or might not tell him about something she does. That's just borderline cheating by not telling the MC.
Then later she says we need to set up some boundaries, and that never happens.
That is why I say you made everything static but the responses when she is having sex with someone or telling him about it. You can not have a static main story line while trying to have three different paths, it doesn't work like that.

Do what you want, your story is flawed the way it is. You don't even need the MC to be honest Laura is just a little slut running around doing what she wants.

The problem is you have a group of people that are only here for the pictures and give two shits about the story. They will defend you and tell you how great everything is and blow smoke right up your ass all day long.
Then you have people like me who will tell you it's flawed, it doesn't make sense.
The choice is yours who you believe and such, but these forums are littered with people telling Devs how great their VN is all because they just want the pictures to wank off too.
Some of us want a good story too, not just AI renders I can do in 5 mins on my own machine. Yes, I do AI art too.

I see so many Devs crash and burn all because they write like shit and keep doing so because the 'I want pictures' crowd makes them feel special. They don't listen to the people actually trying to tell them it's not working or doesn't make sense. Wait for it... Wait for it... I know it's Porn Logic! Right? Of course it is.

You have the potential to have a great great story here with three different paths. You have to put the work in to make it so and it's not as simple as here is what the MC says, oh and we'll change what Laura says to make it different paths.

Let's get one thing right, Laura is not being corrupted, she was a slut to start with. She went from 0 to 60 in about 1.2 seconds, no corruption there. She goes from fucking Nathan two times to, let's get rid of the condoms, hehehe. Oh and let's start thinking about creampies too because why not. Let me get on birth control because that works 100% and protects against all forms of STDs. For how many years did she fuck the MC and always used condoms, she fucks Nathan two times and all that's out the window. Yup she loves the MC, sure... SLUT from the start.

You might not like to hear it, but this VN is dropping the ball, it's a big mess and it's not to late to fix it if you just take the time to iron out the story lines. Make some options that actually matter instead of being an illusion to choice.

Good luck, I really hope it goes well for you.
Could be a little less dramatic but useful critique in this comment that's worth listening to.
 
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