VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.28.1] [Le Stag]

[Joshy92]

Not part of the convo originally, but as an aspriring writer, I wanted to chime in.

He absolutely should have stayed. His removal is a sign that the developer is inexperienced with narrative storytelling, which is fine, as everyone has to start from somewhere. But yeah, there needs to be some tension, some degree of conflict to push the narrative forward. It doesn't need to be physical conflict—only something that pushes back against the player and/or characters.

The dev had the perfect chance to make things very interesting. A way to pull players in by testing them. This is never a bad thing. Having characters people don't like is part of the job. Look at Joffery from Game of Thrones, or any antagonistic character that viewers/fans loathed. It kept them hooked. But most importantly, it kept the story interesting. Nothing wrong with fun moments like we got in the last update. Four friends having fun exploring their sexualities, with humor and all that. But Oliver was 100% an antagonist and should not have been removed.

That might work for a TV show, but this is a wholesome NTS game and if lots of people voice their displeasure about a character it's a better choice financially to remove them.

Tension belong in those shitty NTR games anyway. The game even says it's about mutual consent and respect from all parties.

 

[deviousstorm]

That might work for a TV show, but this is a wholesome NTS game and if lots of people voice their displeasure about a character it's a better choice financially to remove them.

Tension belong in those shitty NTR games anyway. The game even says it's about mutual consent and respect from all parties.

True but this is entertainment. I wouldn't mind if like we got to see more of Tara's prespective it does't have to be only from the MC's POV.

As a game we can even 'switch' phone and come from tara's prespective. Who would be a very fun MC at some point.

 

[flies12]

That might work for a TV show, but this is a wholesome NTS game and if lots of people voice their displeasure about a character it's a better choice financially to remove them.

Tension belong in those shitty NTR games anyway. The game even says it's about mutual consent and respect from all parties.

You can have mutual respect and consent from all parties and still have conflict. The story literally had conflict from the opening until Laura fully accepted that she liked and enjoyed the lifestyle. That entire thing with her, going from being unsure about it and hesitant but going with it because she loved her partner to totally embracing and loving it herself was a conflict starting and then resolving itself. Her hesitance was the force applying friction in that part of the story.

People have talked for months about there being something missing from the game lately and this is the thing: there's no conflict and no friction. Stuff just happens, there's no sense of build-up or escalation, and as a result sometimes updates hit and sometimes they doesn't. Conflict doesn't need to be two people yelling at each other, it can be two people with a difference in opinion coming to a mutual understanding over time. The way Oliver got written out could have been a whole story arc that reinforced the idea of mutual respect and consent instead of a two-line throwaway moment.

 

[JQuillon]

The way Oliver got written out could have been a whole story arc that reinforced the idea of mutual respect and consent instead of a two-line throwaway moment.

He wasn't written out, though. People who wanted to get rid of him were able to do so, but for the others, he is still very much there--we just haven't seen him for a few updates, that's all. He's much less important for the story than Nathan is, for sure, but he'll almost certainly be back (at least, for those who kept him in the game, figuratively and literally).

 

[Le Stag]

time between each update becomes longer

Sadly, the time between your interventions here, repeating the same things every time, hasn't increased.

The time between update has been the same for a long time now. 3 weeks exactly. With an showcase both other weeks.

I am not milking anything or anyone. If I was, believe me, I'd be writing content that I know would interest more people. I'd probably get a few hundred more subscribers if I released a creampie chapter today. But that's not the story I'm telling, or the way I want to do things. I'm prioritizing the story over what potential additional money I can get, and I'm prioritizing communication and respect over gains. That's also why I don't have $50 tiers, and also why the updates get public only a week after release. Because I think that's the right way to do it, even if that may not be the most profitable one.

My goal has always been to write a slow and steady story. To take my time. And the Patreon helps me do that. I know some updates will displease some people. But that's the story I want to tell, and the way I want to tell it. And judging by the subscribers, and the feedback on Patreon, it's what a lot of people want me to tell. As long as these people will support me, I'll keep telling that story.

So, just like AcornHunter repeating the same thing, I'll repeat myself: the story will stay slow. If that disappoints you, I'm sorry, but let's be honest, you have thousands of games that go deeper and deeper on each chapter. I'm sure you'll find what you want in those.

And, yeah, Oliver hasn't been written out. But because I made him optional, it's harder for me to use him. That's the point with choices and alternatives: you can't both ask for more variety, and more raw content, because variety makes content harder to produce.

Also, the current content already has a lot of variety. It may not be blatant, but the dialogues have a lot of variations depending on your previous choices. Yes, the situations are globally the same, but my idea is to put in the forefront the kind of kinks you'll enjoy, with smaller variations. That's the variety I'm aiming for. Chapter 33, which I finished writing yesterday for example, adds 6 variables tracking what you may enjoy or not. Variables that will be used later to have dialogues tailored to your very own preferences, on top of more than 70 variables already included in-game.

 

[deviousstorm]

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Agreed. I am excited to see where you go with it.

Are you planning on doing anything for April fools for the game at all?

 

[jaimeastorga2000]

Also, the current content already has a lot of variety. It may not be blatant, but the dialogues have a lot of variations depending on your previous choices. Yes, the situations are globally the same, but my idea is to put in the forefront the kind of kinks you'll enjoy, with smaller variations. That's the variety I'm aiming for. Chapter 33, which I finished writing yesterday for example, adds 6 variables tracking what you may enjoy or not. Variables that will be used later to have dialogues tailored to your very own preferences, on top of more than 70 variables already included in-game.

I think a big problem here is that going through the game between updates is slow/buggy enough that a lot of us only ever use Memories to access the latest chapter, but that feature only lets you set the Dominant/Submissive variable, so most of the subtle variations you are working on to create a bespoke gameplay experience are completely lost on the player. There should be some way under Settings or Notes to manually adjust the variables other than replaying the entire game and making the correct choices.

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

Sadly, the time between your interventions here, repeating the same things every time, hasn't increased.

The time between update has been the same for a long time now. 3 weeks exactly. With an showcase both other weeks.

I am not milking anything or anyone. If I was, believe me, I'd be writing content that I know would interest more people. I'd probably get a few hundred more subscribers if I released a creampie chapter today. But that's not the story I'm telling, or the way I want to do things. I'm prioritizing the story over what potential additional money I can get, and I'm prioritizing communication and respect over gains. That's also why I don't have $50 tiers, and also why the updates get public only a week after release. Because I think that's the right way to do it, even if that may not be the most profitable one.

My goal has always been to write a slow and steady story. To take my time. And the Patreon helps me do that. I know some updates will displease some people. But that's the story I want to tell, and the way I want to tell it. And judging by the subscribers, and the feedback on Patreon, it's what a lot of people want me to tell. As long as these people will support me, I'll keep telling that story.

So, just like AcornHunter repeating the same thing, I'll repeat myself: the story will stay slow. If that disappoints you, I'm sorry, but let's be honest, you have thousands of games that go deeper and deeper on each chapter. I'm sure you'll find what you want in those.

And, yeah, Oliver hasn't been written out. But because I made him optional, it's harder for me to use him. That's the point with choices and alternatives: you can't both ask for more variety, and more raw content, because variety makes content harder to produce.

Also, the current content already has a lot of variety. It may not be blatant, but the dialogues have a lot of variations depending on your previous choices. Yes, the situations are globally the same, but my idea is to put in the forefront the kind of kinks you'll enjoy, with smaller variations. That's the variety I'm aiming for. Chapter 33, which I finished writing yesterday for example, adds 6 variables tracking what you may enjoy or not. Variables that will be used later to have dialogues tailored to your very own preferences, on top of more than 70 variables already included in-game.

Just going to say that you're doing an amazing job. You've already shown way more effort and consistency than many developers. It's an unfortunate truth that sticking to a project takes an enormous amount of discipline, way more than most realize. This game might not be perfect, but it is impressive. I'm looking forward to seeing not only where you go with this game, but also what future projects you start next.

 

[AcornHunter]

Sadly, the time between your interventions here, repeating the same things every time, hasn't increased.
So, just like AcornHunter repeating the same thing, I'll repeat myself: the story will stay slow.
If that disappoints you, I'm sorry, but let's be honest, you have thousands of games that go deeper and deeper on each chapter. I'm sure you'll find what you want in those.

bro, I am repeating only facts I got from you directly, and I am addressing not you, but other players, who asked questions or expressed some hopes and wishes about something which will never happen.
When facts change, I will be repeating something else every time.
Do you want me to write something new? A list of my wishes and ideas?
For what?
YOU DO NOT LISTEN.
On Patreon you had only 4 pools for supporters, 1 of them was feedback about chat-to-text and 1 technicalities about picture format.
And it's OK. You don't have to listen to anybody, I respect it and I am still your supporter, but it also gives me a realistic answer about should I write here or on Patreon or Discord my ideas. The answer is - that will be a waste of time.
So, when somebody comes with a critique about Super Dom path or something else is not good and you (as a dev) should do it better, I just repeat your words, explaining why it will never happen.
And let me return the favor, by saying if that disappoints you, I am sorry, but let's be honest, you have thousands of forums and platforms that are more and more supportive. I'm sure you'll find what you want in those.

 

[YoYo6ik]

Does anyone have a save with Tara's gallery fully open?

 

[Flame0213]

Full save please

Does anyone have a save with Tara's gallery fully open?

 

[YoYo6ik]

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[vampz]

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658 hours? dude, that is insane......
I have no idea what you've had to do to unlock all of that
Thought it's weird, it says you're missing 1 picture, but I see two unlocked ones......
Probably a silly bug

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[What's Up Doc?]

Guys,

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[vampz]

I got the final one

Thank you Flame0213 for the savefile

 

[Le Stag]

bro, I am repeating only facts

No, dude. That's simply not true.

Your previous post said the time between updates has been getting longer, when it has consistently been 3 weeks since last June, and version 0.6. That was 7 months and 10 versions ago. The only exception being a single holiday week.

And you know that's not "facts" since you tried to explain that by only using the time between updates from before the Patreon was actually started. You even said the time between versions 0.7 and 0.8 was 2 weeks, when it was 3. Just like any other update.

So no, I'm not going to listen to people like you, that are only here to spew bullshit. Not only do I not care about your opinion, I may probably be tempted to do the actual opposite.

So yeah, don't bother writing your ideas, I'll do without those. Thanks.

Guys,

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Yes.

I think a big problem here is that going through the game between updates is slow/buggy enough that a lot of us only ever use Memories to access the latest chapter, but that feature only lets you set the Dominant/Submissive variable, so most of the subtle variations you are working on to create a bespoke gameplay experience are completely lost on the player. There should be some way under Settings or Notes to manually adjust the variables other than replaying the entire game and making the correct choices.

Most of these issues are supposed to have been fixed. What exactly prevents you from keeping the game going?

I deliberately want to avoid letting players set every variable, because that would turn the game into a checklist to get content, and completely remove the story element.

 

[Dave 237]

i know this is called netorase phone but does it have a ntr path where your oblivious or you just let it happen?

 

[AcornHunter]

You even said the time between versions 0.7 and 0.8 was 2 weeks, when it was 3. Just like any other update.
So no, I'm not going to listen to people like you, that are only here to spew bullshit. Not only do I not care about your opinion, I may probably be tempted to do the actual opposite.
So yeah, don't bother writing your ideas, I'll do without those. Thanks.

Well, I miscalculated the time between 0.7 and 0.8, sorry, but what exactly did you mean by "spew bullshit"?
Could you, please, point out what in my posts here is bullshit?
And, please, stop being so sensitive and naive.
If I write here an idea for more interactions between Ashley, Tara and MC, will you do the opposite and remove them completely from the story?
Seriously?
And since you don't listen to anybody's ideas anyway, I realised a few months ago that it's useless to share it anyway. So thanks, but I didn't plan to write it to begin with.

Let me explain something to you.
I like your game. I respect your decisions, your timing, your style.
I support you on Patreon and a few times on different channels offered free-of-charge help in any way you want, which you refused, and I respect that too.
But if something teaches me being in the game development business for 9 years, it's to recognise potential. And your game has a huge potential in this genre, which will be wasted. And I accepted it too. This is your game, your life, you can do whatever you want. And I am sorry, if you take my posts and comments as some kind of opposition or critique, they are not, I just completely agree with J.K Simmons from the movie Whiplash - "There are no two words in the English language more harmful than 'good job'."
You can do better, bro.

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

i know this is called netorase phone but does it have a ntr path where your oblivious or you just let it happen?

No, there's no NTR in this game and doesn't have any plans to add it. The game focuses on the mc sharing his girlfriend, or NTS kink.

 

[Le Stag]

Could you, please, point out what in my posts here is bullshit?

Try rereading my previous comment.

And since you don't listen to anybody's ideas anyway, I realised a few months ago that it's useless to share it anyway. So thanks, but I didn't plan to write it to begin with.

I listen to ideas. If you had been active on the Discord, you'd have noticed it's littered with ideas. Ideas I discuss with people. Ideas I often include in-game. But that would have required you being active.

You'd also have known then that I have had a writing team for some time now, helping me make things cohesive, and test new builds. That would have avoided complaining about me "wanting do do everything alone". Is that enough of a "bullshit" example for you?

Also, if you didn't plan to write an idea, why did you keep asking where to write it? More bullshit.

So please, PLEASE forget me. Unsubscribe if that's what you need. I'm getting fucking tired of you, of your complaints, of your stupid suggestions, and of all your bullshit. Go love yourself somewhere else, somewhere you'll enjoy being, because you clearly don't enjoy being here. And I don't think many people enjoy you being here either. If you had been active on the Discord, you'd also have noticed that.

I just put you in ignore list, by the way. Have a great life dude. See you never.