VN Unity Netorase Phone [v0.23] [Le Stag]

[Sixty]

In all fairness to Le Stag, the decision to let the bulls narrate in this update was probably as simple as "this will be a fun change of pace." Probably not anticipating the mob with pitchforks and torches.

Someone (don't remember who) made a comment earlier in the thread that I think applies here. Something like, the great thing about cheating/sharing stories is that they evoke strong emotions. The terrible thing is also that they evoke strong emotions.

I hope Le Stag writes my idealized perfect (for me) game. I also hope he makes a game that enough people like that he can make a living. If there are a hundred Oliver fans for every one of me, it makes sense for him to disregard me and write what more people want.

I will now put my pitchfork away and go back to making barrels or whatever old timey villagers did for a living.

A) 'twere me. I said that.

B) Well said. Oliver's popular, and that type of bull is really common in this kind of fiction and will always have a positive audience. I personally kneecapped the asshole, but there will never be a perfect game for me unless I write one.

The only time I worry about Le Stag is when he worries too much about how the audience receives certain bits of the game. There's no way he can please every player with every scene. Not with this crowd. And I hope he remembers that we all love the game HE'S making, not the game grumpycommenter420 wants him to make. Paying too much attention to an audience in this genre is the way to fall out of love with your own game.

 

[duckydoodoo]

funny, i remember in the first few updates people including dev giving me crap for saying the game had no real choices and the relationship was ntr without mutual consent and respect between all. yet here i am reading almost the same complaint about the newest update, only difference is people are nitpicking as to how and where they feel slighted.

this game is netorare, was always going to be, no matter how much people and dev try to call it something else. proof is that dev gives the player no agency to consent, but also doesnt not write the mc consenting in dialogue either. it just shows him accepting after the fact, cause he has no choice.

on the plus side, once you accept that the game is not netorase it becomes fun watching the mc get cucked and disrespected on one play through, and on the other you get to try and sleep with the gf's besties

yeah i know its not in the game yet but we can all read the room. why else is he texting about sex with them all the time. i mean the whole tara voyeur while on the phone with mc bit was way more emotionally engaging and personal than anything mc has done with his actual gf so far in the game, escpecially considering how wound up and closed off tara is. i mean think about it, that was an extremely profound moment for tara and mc was all up in it. obviously the intention was always mc getting emotionally involved with one or both besties if not physically.

 

[Sanon441]

I also don'r get why some people are making a big deal out of Laura sleeping over with Nathan.

It just seemed like a realistic scenario to me. She had a long day at work, and fell asleep after a good fuck. No malice there, that's just normal.

Nathan said "I'm sorry bro, you must have been looking forward to spending some time with her, I'll tell her she needs to make it up to you tomorrow."

The first thing Laura says the next morning is "yesterday was so exhausting, I slept for 14 hours, I'm sorry I couldn't make it back home last night, I swear I'll make it up to you today."

You guys are really making mountains out of molehills. She didn't sleep over to cuck the MC even harder, or because she cared more about Nathan, or anything like that. She was just tired after a hard day, and fell asleep. No boundaries were crossed.

Yeah, she was tired from a long day at work, so why did she think she would have the energy to go and fuck three guys in a row? She was planning on an encounter with Both of her bulls, at different times and then being reclaimed by the MC, why try to force it on a day she was already exhausted from work? It feels like she really should have known and sure it's fine excuse but feels hollow when it leads to her breaking promises and crossing boundaries like sleeping at Nathan's when I'm pretty sure she has only ever slept at Ashley's house after being with a bull. Why was she so intent of pushing herself to fuck both bulls in the same day when she already felt like shit? Why was that such an important priority to her in that moment? Why not let Nathan drive her home? He's pretty cool.

Anyway Not a fan of her sleeping at the bulls house, and I'm not a fan of how it felt like watching the same set of events we have shared with her played out as an outsider. She went to a bull, got fucked went to her second bull that is already really toeing the line of being a second boyfriend already. She fucks him until she's too tired and sleeps it off with them and doesn't provide a recap. it feels like Nathan took MC's place since that is how things normally go.

 

[nickohoma]

Anyway Not a fan of her sleeping at the bulls house, and I'm not a fan of how it felt like watching the same set of events we have shared with her played out as an outsider. She went to a bull, got fucked went to her second bull that is already really toeing the line of being a second boyfriend already. She fucks him until she's too tired and sleeps it off with them and doesn't provide a recap. it feels like Nathan took MC's place since that is how things normally go.

That is... insightful. I have Nathan turned off so that wasn't my experience, but yeah I can see the parallel there. Laura's routine was (at least a few times) to go get fucked by a boy-toy, then go get fucked again by, and sleep with, the man she loves.

I already disliked it and I hadn't even opened that Pandora's box.

 

[Turret]

In all fairness to Le Stag, the decision to let the bulls narrate in this update was probably as simple as "this will be a fun change of pace." Probably not anticipating the mob with pitchforks and torches.

I think so too. Le Stag has the problem with the differing fanbases and the in-game paths. NTS and NTR, which are mostly opposed on how and why stuff is happening and their subgroups, where they paint the lines. What is dom, neutral or sub and how the various players count it.

For example, I vastly prefer Stag NTS, but there some things which are hot for me, but might "break" the dom trope for several players. I really like that we can tell Laura to not shower and come home as she is, sex-smelling and with spermbreath. Kissing her like that is ok, but there will never be "cleaning her up". For some that might seem nitpicky, but for me there is a big red line, which is why I choose this as an example. Laura coming home unshowered is proof of what happened what we wanted and that is how it should be. Giving her kisses is no problem here, her spermbreath is a sideeffect in this context.
"Cleaning her up" after a fling on the other hand is an absolute no-go! That would be sub doormaty behaviour, being just a clean up boy, no way. You fuck/reclaim/make love to your spouse, you own the sloppy seconds and fuck the pie, you do not clean it up! There are others for that.

 

[kikomascado]

That would be sub doormaty behaviour, being just a clean up boy, no way. You fuck/reclaim/make love to your spouse, you own the sloppy seconds and fuck the pie, you do not clean it up! There are others for that.

No? I love cumplay and would love cleanups, but I'm not sub (not a dom either, but that's beyond the point). The actions aren't what make the sub and teh dom, it's the power dynamics there.

 

[Adamska]

Going to the realm of hyperbole for this example, but some of the "oh I love you btw" conversations between DINO and Laura almost feel like putting a slide that says "...and they lived happily ever after" immediately following a grotesque horror movie where the main cast is tortured for 90 minutes. Like... yeah, the creator set out to write a happy horror movie and indeed took the time to say that everyone lives happily ever after, so I guess that's canon. But the audience doesn't believe it, and it feels incongruous to everything that came before, unearned.

If an author wants a happily ever after horror story, the happy needs to be a present theme throughout the telling of the story with character actions. On every path, the main theme of this story is Laura being the driving force behind denying and belittling DINO (the opposite of empowerment, love, and respect). The variability of kink preferences definitely causes problems in this genre, but I feel like Stag and the fans of Laura's current actions might need to admit that this is indeed an NTR/denial game where Laura discovers she's depraved and wants to prioritize a harem, more than it is about an open relationship with the true love of her life.

There's nothing wrong with that, either. Maybe that is a happy ending for that segment of the audience because they get off on that type of behavior. Just please, for the love of G-man, stop teasing me with labelled Dom content if what's being served up is passive cucking, with enthusiasm!

 

[Turret]

No? I love cumplay and would love cleanups, but I'm not sub (not a dom either, but that's beyond the point). The actions aren't what make the sub and teh dom, it's the power dynamics there.

Exactly, the dynamics behind the actions are important as is the hotness for the person in question. Where we paint the personal red lines. There are men who would never kiss their wife if she has cumbreath, be it from their own or other guys sperm. For me as said that is no problem, be it my own juice or (hypothetically since we do not share in real life) others in NTS play. But my red line is at clean up stuff, that will never happen. For you cumplay is great, so your personal red line is at another point.

 

[Sanon441]

That is... insightful. I have Nathan turned off so that wasn't my experience, but yeah I can see the parallel there. Laura's routine was (at least a few times) to go get fucked by a boy-toy, then go get fucked again by, and sleep with, the man she loves.

I already disliked it and I hadn't even opened that Pandora's box.

Right, If she comes back that night, even with no sex with MC that night, I don't complain. But it's how it just felt like being a third wheel as she fucks Oliver and then has Nathan be the one to reclaim her not MC. Sure, that wasn't her intent, but damn did it feel like it, and she knew she was pushing it by making this plan on a day she was already tired AF from work. It feels like she prioritized getting fucked by the bulls to just coming home and resting (also fucking) the MC which would have been far simpler after a long work day. Plan it on a day off, reschedule it for later.

 

[rattylarry]

Wow, since the last update it seems that a lot of people was forced to download and play the game and this is their only place to vent the frustration of their martyrdom.

Meanwhile I'll keep waiting until the official free release is out on Patreon and will focus on playing and enjoying the game.

Guys, it's just a game and this is just a comment section, just chill...

 

[MrNoice]

Wow, since the last update it seems that a lot of people was forced to download and play the game and this is their only place to vent the frustration of their martyrdom.

Meanwhile I'll keep waiting until the official free release is out on Patreon and will focus on playing and enjoying the game.

Guys, it's just a game and this is just a comment section, just chill...

Ah the classic, "It's only a game. Therefore, you don't have a right to criticize it." I get it, but the games are, in my opinion, a form of art. You have a right to state your views and thoughts on it as long as it isn't overly aggressive or straight-up hate. But for people like me who have paid for the game, this is one of the few areas to explain my criticisms. It doesn't mean I hate the game either; you can go to a restaurant you love 9/10 times, and just once you had a meal, you want to send it back. It doesn't mean the restaurant is horrible; it was just one time where something you ordered you didn't like, and that's okay.

 

[Adamska]

Wow, since the last update it seems that a lot of people was forced to download and play the game and this is their only place to vent the frustration of their martyrdom.

Clearly the forum set up for discussion about this game is no place for discussion about this game.

 

[ZaneBlade]

You must be registered to see the links

Can I request any other link gofile is not working please

 

[kikomascado]

Exactly, the dynamics behind the actions are important as is the hotness for the person in question. Where we paint the personal red lines. There are men who would never kiss their wife if she has cumbreath, be it from their own or other guys sperm. For me as said that is no problem, be it my own juice or (hypothetically since we do not share in real life) others in NTS play. But my red line is at clean up stuff, that will never happen. For you cumplay is great, so your personal red line is at another point.

Yeah, we all have different limits and kinks, but you had stated that the action itself is sub behavior, which isn't true.
If Laura is the one pushing it on us, yeah, if we do it out of our own volition, no.
That's what rubbed me the wrong way on the update. Laura sleeping in another guy's house and not telling us how the sex went, if it was already agreed upon, even thought I probably would still dislike it, wouldn't be so bad on itself. But the fact we could only just accept it all was the issue for me.
In my opinion just some small text rewrites could improve the scenes, without making the MC feel so powerless.

 

[bleeprahul]

Since most people here are pretty vocal about not liking the idea of her sleeping at nathan's, i for one loved that part. It felt realistic and hot as fuck. Any other instance where MC is 'waiting' for her and is humiliated in other ways than just texts is greatly appreciated, at least in the sub route.

 

[kikomascado]

Since most people here are pretty vocal about not liking the idea of her sleeping at nathan's, i for one loved that part. It felt realistic and hot as fuck. Any other instance where MC is 'waiting' for her and is humiliated in other ways than just texts is greatly appreciated, at least in the sub route.

The main complaint is exactly that, it wasn't only on the sub route. Hahaha

 

[Silwith]

The main complaint is exactly that, it wasn't only on the sub route. Hahaha

I kinda don't understand how people still not get it, that the dom route (and so will be the very dom route) isn't actually a route tho... its a difference in dialogue, even if Le Stag rewrites stuff to make it flow better, if someone is complaining about "fake choices" now... NOTHING will change, the story will still be the story, there will not be a different game where the player suddenly has the decision power... it is simply that in those rewritten dom parts the MC (not player) will be the deciding factor more instead of Laura, but we will essentially still get the same sex scenes and scenarios.

Honestly, the game is kinda clear about what it is and those that don't like it now thinking the Dev should rewrite it for them feel kinda delusional... not gonna happen, sorry, but the sub-playerbase for games like this is simply MUCH bigger. I can understand the small complaints, it would be nice for "dom" players to have the flow be clearly more trough initiative of the MC, but a bunch of guys here seem to want a completly different game or at least completly different 2nd route and I don't see that, it will just be a different presentation, there wont be actual extra choices that change the story... Wouldn't be sensible to pretty much cut content per month in half for a (tho vocal) minority... People gotta see when a game is not their kind of taste and move on...

PS: And that is not meant to disvalue the opinions that the dom dialogues aren't good yet, but he already said the rework will be next update, so... those that are fine with the overall direction but wan't the MC to be more dom in it should wait for that?

 

[Le Stag]

In all fairness to Le Stag, the decision to let the bulls narrate in this update was probably as simple as "this will be a fun change of pace." Probably not anticipating the mob with pitchforks and torches.

Exactly. I honestly thought people would enjoy this chapter. The reactions surprised me. But hey, that's life, I'll strive to make everything better.

 

[Le Stag]

I kinda don't understand how people still not get it, that the dom route (and so will be the very dom route) isn't actually a route tho... its a difference in dialogue, even if Le Stag rewrites stuff to make it flow better, if someone is complaining about "fake choices" now... NOTHING will change, the story will still be the story, there will not be a different game where the player suddenly has the decision power... it is simply that in those rewritten dom parts the MC (not player) will be the deciding factor more instead of Laura, but we will essentially still get the same sex scenes and scenarios.

My goal is for the reworked Dom/Very Dom routes to actually make you, the player, choose. You won't get many options, of course, but you'll be able to tell Laura if something she plans is okay with you or not, at least.

That will be the focus of the 0.13 update.

 

[hlfwaycrks]

My goal is for the reworked Dom/Very Dom routes to actually make you, the player, choose. You won't get many options, of course, but you'll be able to tell Laura if something she plans is okay with you or not, at least.

That will be the focus of the 0.13 update.

I really hope to see this. The difference between sub and dom is almost akin to the difference between NTR and NTRS, in that, it's truly an entirely different experience, and if one enjoys one and does not connect with the other, the whole experience itself feels off. I'm grateful to read your response here addressing this, and I have faith that you can make it truly feel more like MC is in control -- I'll give my honest feedback when it comes, of course, but I think this update/re-write/new path is what I've been needing in order to properly connect with, and feel immersed in, this game -- as much as I already love it, I just want to be able to connect with it more as someone who does not vibe with the sub stuff at all. Thanks for all you do Le Stag, SO looking forward to 0.13