Others Netoria Tactics 2 [Demo] [Apollo Seven]

[Surav]

I think there must be a miscommunication or misunderstanding here. Because if you don't self insert, then play a non-Zaman POV and he won't be woman. And since you're not inserting wouldn't you get the normal cuck experience from him then?

No, because I will be missing on "the reflect of the characters actions on the loser" part.
I want to know what he's going through, without inserting myself as him.
Sorry if it's too confusing, I don't know how to make it clearer than this.

 

[Corruption_Enjoyer]

I have really enjoyed what I have seen so far and have some questions with Vashti's route and TF. I like her vibe and her personality and was wondering if her being a futa can be a permanent transformation and if her route will see her transforming the male party members into females adn taking ocntrol. I feel like I am understanding her route but more clarity and explanation on what to expect would be much apricated. Keep it up and looking forward to the next update.

 

[&^*]

I agree with Shahrazad. That is all.

 

[Apollo Seven]

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I agree with Shahrazad. That is all.

I think everyone agrees.

 

[defaultaccount8]

Damn, now I need to see Zamaness properly

 

[Apollo Seven]

Damn, now I need to see Zamaness properly

Enjoy

 

[defaultaccount8]

Yup Zamaness >> Azari

 

[Lilyflower]

I don't think it's strange, it's just two separate types of NTR. Some people enjoy the idea that a cucked man becomes a woman, but some people are going to find that the transformation is cop out for the loss of attraction. If the cuck becomes a woman and the love interest prefers men over women, then that's naturally giving the love interest a legitimate reason to look elsewhere. A lot of NTR is based about corruption, so there are definitely going to be NTR enjoyers who are going to want the love interest to be corrupted towards another man solely on the merits of the other man being that corruptive influence upon her. A MtF transformation undercuts the corruptive aspect, and that's the particular aspect that some fans appreciate more.

As you say there are plenty of games that use both NTR and TF, so it's not unusual but it does touch on different areas of the fetish. Netoria Tactics 1 was one of those games, but it also offered a choice so you could go one way or another if you chose, if the MtF idea appealed to the player. For this game it's locked in, at least in regards to Zaman.

I admit for me there's some disappointment that MtF isn't a route that we can choose for Zaman in this game compared to the first, but I've already brought that up with Apollo, and he says it's essential to Zaman's story. So at this point I can only wait and play the game. For me, Apollo's good work on NR1 has bought him enough good will and benefit of the doubt for me to try and experience the story as intended.

I also think that its PoV stuff too if I'm gonna be quite honest.

If you're seeing things through the PoV/story of the person getting stolen it's not really that interesting to have the NTR'd person show up at the end as the woman/broken because it's not really their story. It's a lot more interesting in basically writing the fall and how far the person will go and how cruel they will become to the one who supposedly love

If you watching from the perspective of the one being stolen from, the tf stuff sorta the cherry on top, that they have been so emasculated that they aren't even really a man any more. Likewise from the perspective of the guy doing the stealing, which is how strong/powerful that person is.

The whole thing of the stolen not being being able to see their former lover as a man is very much an aspect of all NTR stories, but how that manifests is always slightly different.

 

[&^*]

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I think everyone agrees.

A real shame that the transformation stuff is a "minor element", but I guess it will benefit the Zamaness content.

 

[Nalia Mare]

I did enjoy the Demo a lot and can't wait to support the full release.

My only dislike is with the romance/NTR mechanic.

Mainly if you have Vashti be "groped" by Zaman while keeping Azar away from Shahrazad, Azar and Shah still get together automatically.

I would have assumed that if they didn't interact, their relationship wouldn't progress opening a different interaction where Azar is frustrated not getting Shah and Shah concerned about the distance between her and Zaman. With Vashtis desire to control, could also lead to convincing Azar to become hers "building her Harem".

If the outcomes are automatic, then you'll always know the end result.

I know its a Demo and there is a lot I am missing for a review of things, but on the demo alone, that is something I noticed and didn't like as much as everything else.

 

[Apollo Seven]

I did enjoy the Demo a lot and can't wait to support the full release.

My only dislike is with the romance/NTR mechanic.

Mainly if you have Vashti be "groped" by Zaman while keeping Azar away from Shahrazad, Azar and Shah still get together automatically.

I would have assumed that if they didn't interact, their relationship wouldn't progress opening a different interaction where Azar is frustrated not getting Shah and Shah concerned about the distance between her and Zaman. With Vashtis desire to control, could also lead to convincing Azar to become hers "building her Harem".

If the outcomes are automatic, then you'll always know the end result.

I know its a Demo and there is a lot I am missing for a review of things, but on the demo alone, that is something I noticed and didn't like as much as everything else.

I understand what you mean, but the game is about a lot more than just the initial drama with Zaman, Azar, Shah, and Vashti. Early branching needs to be kept as minimal as possible otherwise it makes later content much more complex. If there exists Zaman-Shah, Zaman-Vashti, and Azar-Shah as three different states, that's 50% more work at every stage of branching over Zaman-Vashti+Azar-Shah being combined into one state. That's why I did it this way.

 

[11037AAA]

got around to playing the prequel and then this demo and i really enjoyed whats to offer. the many PoVs are interesting (especially Azar and Vashti) and i really like the addition of active skills compared to the prequel. the UI is a big clunky but with the engine used i get it. what i love the most is that level ups are now given guaranteed (which means my monkey brain of "gotta feed more kills to this weaker unit" doesn't act up) and the addition of the assassins (who are possible to defeat but can fuck you over) adds a soft-timer on each maps, especially if you want two characters to grope each other. i also really like how in the Zaman and Shah route, the elements make it so cucking (with ur MC) is rewarded as much as the love route, but in the Azar and Vashti routes, cucking is a tad harder due to the skills & lack of connecting affinity with Zaman and Shah (especially in Vashti route due to Withering Aura)

that being said, theres a few lil things here and there i wasn't a super big fan with (mainly in terms of gameplay balance)
Withering Aura working even when the chapter starts just wastes one whole turn cuz every party member besides Shah sometimes will be debuffed. MC Azar is fucked up levels of strongs and, his bow having 1 range access feels wrong with how powerful he is and his only real downside is that cucking is slightly harder due to his skill & affinity. also, the last chest in that one map where the MC transforms is so far away that an assassin is basically guaranteed to spawn to fuck you over in some capacity and getting gropes there is pretty challenging if you also want chests. Idk if I like the challenge provided by this map, especially when the transformed characters are locked to 5 movements (especially sucks for MC Zaman who has 6 movements normally) and while Zaman and Vashti are stronger than their regular counterpart, Shah and Azar are dogshit.

also, while it one again plays into the challenge of this game & this is only a demo, i found the numbers of skill slot we have access to to be pretty small, so small that I wanted one more slot for nearly all the characters and sometimes had to remove Patch Up to make some space. oh and for the dual elements (like Magma for MC Zaman) the description ain't super clear and you gotta do a bit of mental gymnastics and think of the opposite elements to see what affinities would work best with you. a small nitpick but it stuck with me so i wanted to bring it up.

can't wait for the full release of this game, i had fun with it

 

[David__14]

I did enjoy the Demo a lot and can't wait to support the full release.

My only dislike is with the romance/NTR mechanic.

Mainly if you have Vashti be "groped" by Zaman while keeping Azar away from Shahrazad, Azar and Shah still get together automatically.

I would have assumed that if they didn't interact, their relationship wouldn't progress opening a different interaction where Azar is frustrated not getting Shah and Shah concerned about the distance between her and Zaman. With Vashtis desire to control, could also lead to convincing Azar to become hers "building her Harem".

If the outcomes are automatic, then you'll always know the end result.

I know its a Demo and there is a lot I am missing for a review of things, but on the demo alone, that is something I noticed and didn't like as much as everything else.

I agree, I'm a bit dissapoined that one of the leads cheating automatically leads to the other one too and doesn't have any room for scenarios where one stays loyal and the other cheats like was possible in the first one, but I am still interested either way to see what the full product turns out to be, it is just a demo after all.

 

[GrumpyGizmo]

this right here.

I agree, I'm a bit dissapoined that one of the leads cheating automatically leads to the other one too and doesn't have any room for scenarios where one stays loyal and the other cheats like was possible in the first one, but I am still interested either way to see what the full product turns out to be, it is just a demo after all.