Notice all the samey AI NTR phone games? It's actually by the same dude grifting the community

[desmosome]

Is it an open secret that Taptus is grifting people with cross promotion of his alternate patreon accounts for each of his "Another Game" titles?

https://f95zone.to/threads/phone-story-v0-13-taptus.236390/

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Same AI vibe coding template. Same AI writing with logic holes and repetitive drivel. New F95zone account for each game using similar noun-animal-noun naming scheme. Patreon updates that are LLM generated.

The guy has like 10 different patreon accounts that promotes each other, trying to get people to subscribe multiple times to his various accounts.

Taptus account existed for a while, so this is his main account. He jumped on the phone NTR bandwagon with just the first game for a while, but at some point, he got the scummy idea to grift with AI slop that he can churn out with ease. Each game set up on its own patreon account.

This is basically the same grifting method Captain Kitty used that I detailed here, but on a much larger scale with even shittier slop thanks to AI.

 

[HELIO CESAR]

Well, other than the alt accounts, not much to act upon, shovelware is a still 'game', there are still a place for it.
Maybe a warning about the dev conduct in the games pages tho.

 

[olaf_yaddax]

Maybe it's like you said, maybe it's not. I mean, these damn AI slops are all copies of each other. especially those related to phone and ntr.

 

[morphnet]

You're not the first to mention this and let's for argument sake say it's true, a few questions then.

Have you or any of the others reported him to patreon?

Are their games dangerous, as in, do they contain malware / viruses?

Are they starting and abandoning these games once he reaches or after he reaches a certain amount of subscribers?

Do they update their games?

Are they slow burning the updates, trying to get as much cash as possible between updates?

Are they advertising or making promises for their games and then not following through?

Are the games fully playable?

Assuming it's all the same person, have they done anything else with their accounts or games that people are considering "shady" other than using different dev names?

What exactly are the consequences / results of their actions?

 

[baneini]

Yeah its frustrating having to manually go through the effort of looking at the game pages and start hiding them.
Either the site starts blocking shovelware or its gonna eventually die.

 

[eaudecologne]

I didn't know about the taptus case you mentioned but some other guys and me noticed a similar situation with another "group" that have 6 or 7 same games up. And yeah the dev came out and admitted it. So ofc we don't know how many ppl are in the group. I imagine a single person can't open 6 patreons so you need others involved but it's clear this isn't people trying their hand at game development but trying to cashgrab in the dirtiest way possible. Ultimately I don't think we should ban them straight up but I feel like people deserve to know these people are involved with each other and each of these games having a separate patreon is playing dirty.

Hello everyone! There is no secret here, we are a group of developers-friends, we make games and help each other in various aspects. Everyone helps as much as they can and makes the game as they feel.

 

[Finuee]

Is it an open secret that Taptus is grifting people with cross promotion of his alternate patreon accounts for each of his "Another Game" titles?

https://f95zone.to/threads/phone-story-v0-13-taptus.236390/

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Same AI vibe coding template. Same AI writing with logic holes and repetitive drivel. New F95zone account for each game using similar noun-animal-noun naming scheme. Patreon updates that are LLM generated.

The guy has like 10 different patreon accounts that promotes each other, trying to get people to subscribe multiple times to his various accounts.

Taptus account existed for a while, so this is his main account. He jumped on the phone NTR bandwagon with just the first game for a while, but at some point, he got the scummy idea to grift with AI slop that he can churn out with ease. Each game set up on its own patreon account.

This is basically the same grifting method Captain Kitty used that I detailed here, but on a much larger scale with even shittier slop thanks to AI.

Just curious, but wouldn't the Patreon payment details of all accounts be the same, giving it away for patrons?

 

[desmosome]

You're not the first to mention this and let's for argument sake say it's true, a few questions then.

Have you or any of the others reported him to patreon?

Are their games dangerous, as in, do they contain malware / viruses?

Are they starting and abandoning these games once he reaches or after he reaches a certain amount of subscribers?

Do they update their games?

Are they slow burning the updates, trying to get as much cash as possible between updates?

Are they advertising or making promises for their games and then not following through?

Are the games fully playable?

Assuming it's all the same person, have they done anything else with their accounts or games that people are considering "shady" other than using different dev names?

What exactly are the consequences / results of their actions?

Are you doing your contrarian thing?

Multiple patreons for the same exact copy paste games is the shady aspect. I don't care about AI slop being produced, but when combined with spamming new patreons for every game, it's literally a grift that targets a certain group of players that are into phone NTR game.

Instead of having all these games on one patreon account and trying to grow that account as "the phone NTR dev" or something, this guy is trying to get multiple subscriptions from the same people.

If he discloses that all these are alt accounts of Taptus and gives people enough to make informed decisions about where they sub, then that would be fine. But obviously, they will deny it, just like how Captain Kitty and his alts deny everything. Just because it isn't breaking a rule (that I know of) doesn't mean that it isn't shitty behavior.

Some devs have different patreons like one for their solo project, one where they are part of a group, one for NTR, one for harem, etc etc. But they disclose this information publicly and that's completely fine. But by having multiple alt patreons that are not acknowledged as the same dev, each subscriber is funding the whole mass of patreons without knowing it, even though the actual game they subscribed to only has like 1/10th of the dev's attention.

 

[desmosome]

Just curious, but wouldn't the Patreon payment details of all accounts be the same, giving it away for patrons?

I dunno, but even if it did, a lot of people will not notice something like that.

 

[morphnet]

Are you doing your contrarian thing?

Multiple patreons for the same exact copy paste games is the shady aspect. I don't care about AI slop being produced, but when combined with spamming new patreons for every game, it's literally a grift that targets a certain group of players that are into phone NTR game.

Instead of having all these games on one patreon account and trying to grow that account as "the phone NTR dev" or something, this guy is trying to get multiple subscriptions from the same people.

If he discloses that all these are alt accounts of Taptus and gives people enough to make informed decisions about where they sub, then that would be fine. But obviously, they will deny it, just like how Captain Kitty and his alts deny everything. Just because it isn't breaking a rule (that I know of) doesn't mean that it isn't shitty behavior.

Some devs have different patreons like one for their solo project, one where they are part of a group, one for NTR, one for harem, etc etc. But they disclose this information publicly and that's completely fine. But by having multiple alt patreons that are not acknowledged as the same dev, each subscriber is funding the whole mass of patreons without knowing it, even though the actual game they subscribed to only has like 1/10th of the dev's attention.

You didn't answer a single one of my questions, you just repeated what you'd already said.

If you are certain about your conclusions you should have no problem answering those questions.

 

[Saerwen]

Just curious, but wouldn't the Patreon payment details of all accounts be the same, giving it away for patrons?

I think even in the rules of Patreon it's written you can't have multiple accounts so if it's true I wonder why the guy isn't banned yet.

 

[Finuee]

I think even in the rules of Patreon it's written you can't have multiple accounts so if it's true I wonder why the guy isn't banned yet.

I didn't know that. Makes me wonder even more, if it's true, how he did it.

 

[Saerwen]

I didn't know that. Makes me wonder even more, if it's true, how he did it.

You can actually. From Google: Yes, you can have multiple Patreon accounts, but they must be linked to different email addresses and are not connected to each other. You cannot transfer memberships or merge accounts, so if you create a second one by mistake, you'll need to choose one to keep and delete the other. When creating additional accounts, each must use a unique email address, as a single email can only be tied to one account.

 

[RedPillBlues]

Is it an open secret that Taptus is grifting people with cross promotion of his alternate patreon accounts for each of his "Another Game" titles?

https://f95zone.to/threads/phone-story-v0-13-taptus.236390/

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Same AI vibe coding template. Same AI writing with logic holes and repetitive drivel. New F95zone account for each game using similar noun-animal-noun naming scheme. Patreon updates that are LLM generated.

The guy has like 10 different patreon accounts that promotes each other, trying to get people to subscribe multiple times to his various accounts.

Taptus account existed for a while, so this is his main account. He jumped on the phone NTR bandwagon with just the first game for a while, but at some point, he got the scummy idea to grift with AI slop that he can churn out with ease. Each game set up on its own patreon account.

This is basically the same grifting method Captain Kitty used that I detailed here, but on a much larger scale with even shittier slop thanks to AI.

Ah Captain Kitty 2.0. A classic piece of F95 lore along with Darth Smut. I mean it makes sense with how easily Ai slop is chunred out. I fear this is only going to get worse.

 

[desmosome]

You didn't answer a single one of my questions, you just repeated what you'd already said.

If you are certain about your conclusions you should have no problem answering those questions.

What are you even talking about? I said the shady nature of his actions is the multi account spamming. None of your questions have anything to do with it.

 

[morphnet]

What are you even talking about? I said the shady nature of his actions is the multi account spamming. None of your questions have anything to do with it.

No, you made an accusation that he is grifting people.

You were NOT drawing peoples attention to his actions of having multiple accounts

You WERE drawing peoples attention to his intentions to grift people by having multiple accounts AND hiding he is the same dev.

and you are smart enough to know there is a difference.

You know it's strange, an assertion or accusation is made and someone questions it with points and suddenly the PERSON is the one being discussed while the points are avoided.

A repeated and unfortunate pattern in threads.

Assertions and accusations should be able to stand up to scrutiny and those making them should welcome them being questioned so all doubt can be laid to rest.

Instead people get angry, make the argument about the posters and not the points.

Any assertion or accusation not able to stand up to some questioning should not be posted until it is able to do so at the very least.

 

[desmosome]

Ah Captain Kitty 2.0. A classic piece of F95 lore along with Darth Smut. I mean it makes sense with how easily Ai slop is chunred out. I fear this is only going to get worse.

Yeah, this guy uses three methods.

1. He has a template format for phone NTR that adds lust/love/etc points basically randomly for any given choice. Probably some vibe coding thing.
2. The AI art is basically never matched to what's happening in the story. The hard part about using AI art is trying to land the consistency and visual story flow like outfits, hair, location, basically making the images make sense. This guy does none of it, which means he just churns out one-shot AI images which takes no time or thought.
3. The story itself is complete LLM garbage. Just like how the AI art has no thought behind it, the LLM generated story is full of logic holes, consistency errors, lack of any cohesive progression, and just repeats the same ideas/events/motifs/dialogues over and over as LLMs tend to do.

Once the workflow is set up, because there is like the absolute bare minimum quality control put into these games, they can be churned out extremely fast. When using AI as a tool, the generation part is easy, but generating what you need, and making it fit into the whole in a cohesive manner, that's what takes human effort and time. But this guy is obviously just grifting so he doesn't care about any of that.

And my god, the people that are into phone NTR have some of the lowest standards lol. I've played a few that are not by this dev, which ranges from meh to actually good, but the slop from this guy is absolute rancid garbage. Yet people treat it as if the LLM written story has any thought behind it.

But because the standards are so low in this particular genre for some odd reason, the people that are really into the format will probably subscribe to multiple alts without realizing it.

 

[desmosome]

No, you made an accusation that he is grifting people.

You were NOT drawing peoples attention to his actions of having multiple accounts

You WERE drawing peoples attention to his intentions to grift people by having multiple accounts AND hiding he is the same dev.

and you are smart enough to know there is a difference.

You know it's strange, an assertion or accusation is made and someone questions it with points and suddenly the PERSON is the one being discussed while the points are avoided.

A repeated and unfortunate pattern in threads.

Assertions and accusations should be able to stand up to scrutiny and those making them should welcome them being questioned so all doubt can be laid to rest.

Instead people get angry, make the argument about the posters and not the points.

Any assertion or accusation not able to stand up to some questioning should not be posted until it is able to do so at the very least.

Again, what are you talking about?

Yes, my assertion was that this guy is grifting by churning out mass produced AI slop paired with patreon account spamming for each of those games, with the presumable intention of aiming for multiple subscriptions from individuals in this phone NTR player base. And furthermore, even if someone didn't subscribe to multiple of his alts, the fact that all of this is obfuscated means that a person who liked one of his games and subscribed to that one did so under dubious conditions.

I call this a shady and scummy behavior. None of your questions have anything to do with this. You ask about other ways in which someone can be shady on patreon, like "milking" or having viruses. That has nothing to do with my assertion.

 

[RedPillBlues]

Yeah, this guy uses three methods.

1. He has a template format for phone NTR that adds lust/love/etc points basically randomly for any given choice. Probably some vibe coding thing.
2. The AI art is basically never matched to what's happening in the story. The hard part about using AI art is trying to land the consistency and visual story flow like outfits, hair, location, basically making the images make sense. This guy does none of it, which means he just churns out one-shot AI images which takes no time or thought.
3. The story itself is complete LLM garbage. Just like how the AI art has no thought behind it, the LLM generated story is full of logic holes, consistency errors, lack of any cohesive progression, and just repeats the same ideas/events/motifs/dialogues over and over as LLMs tend to do.

Once the workflow is set up, because there is like the absolute bare minimum quality control put into these games, they can be churned out extremely fast. When using AI as a tool, the generation part is easy, but generating what you need, and making it fit into the whole in a cohesive manner, that's what takes human effort and time. But this guy is obviously just grifting so he doesn't care about any of that.

And my god, the people that are into phone NTR have some of the lowest standards lol. I've played a few that are not by this dev, which ranges from meh to actually good, but the slop from this guy is absolute rancid garbage. Yet people treat it as if the LLM written story has any thought behind it.

But because the standards are so low in this particular genre for some odd reason, the people that are really into the format will probably subscribe to multiple alts without realizing it.

Yeah honeslty, if theres one thing to come out of not having as much free time as I used to, its that my standards for games are so much higher then what they used to be. I only play things that I essentially know I'll like.

Also to throw some more evidence for it

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Now obviously devs look at other devs games for many reasons, but boy oh boy if that isnt peak timing lmao.

 

[ViralRivalz]

I haven't looked into this at all, but are we certain that the "vibe coding" isn't just one of the many messaging coding templates found off of Itch? If a bunch of people wanted to make games without doing the work of learning how to code, it wouldn't shock me if they all converge on using the same coding template.

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