NTR, Cheating games, are they appreciated or hated?

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Hi all.
As title. I stay work on my games.
Sometimes I get messages that advise me against continuing on this path.
I think NTR/cheating can be great games/ story genre. I would not want to change because I already have a good part of the plot developed. I would like to know the opinion of users.
Surely if I continue, I cannot change the work already done on my game, I can instead create another one.
So, possibly what are the themes that are most appreciated?


P.S: I am not English mother language.
 
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Oh, I looked at your game. I think their issue is more about the girl not being hot, while cucks/cornos usually apply their/our fixations on girls they/I could not have in real life.

If it's a game with nice renders, and the story is not unbelievable, it usually gets support here, yes. Same for NTR. Though RPGMaker is not a great engine. So you get twice the flack, hah. For the engine, the NTR, the mom, and the typos. :KEK:

What is your native language? There is a deepL translator for some.
 
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Oh, I looked at your game. I think their issue is more about the girl not being hot, while cucks/cornos usually apply their/our fixations on girls they/I could not have in real life.

If it's a game with nice renders, and the story is not unbelievable, it usually gets support here, yes. Same for NTR. Though RPGMaker is not a great engine. So you get twice the flack, hah. For the engine, the NTR, the mom, and the typos. :KEK:
Who have try my game...say that is good, but this is not the problem in this topic. I was care on game theme. If NTR was too much used and now bored all players.
 

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Who have try my game...say that is good, but this is not the problem in this topic. I was care on game theme. If NTR was too much used and now bored all players.
I don't think NTR is overused, rather what we lack is the evolution to better games based on NTR, if you see most of the games that feature it they are:

-Unavoidable being just a kynetic novel
-Extremely optional, even having multiple warnings about it.

I played games like Oyako rankan which are more in my line, being games that you have to work to avoid the NTR but it is integrated in the game and making a mistake may make you fall into it. Played too leane of legitimate crown but it was too easy to avoid getting any of the girls being fucked.

But well, having said that and going back to your question, NTR is something that will actually be in many games to serve as a point of conflict and evolution, but there are many situations it haven't explored like:

-Recovering the girlfriend you lost to another character
-Being able to cheat in a NTR game
-Being able to break with your current girlfriend without a need of NTR reasons.
 
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I'll answer you with a question : "Gay games, are they appreciated or hated ?"

The answer to this question is exactly the same that the one for your question, it totally depend to who will answer. Obviously, gays and bisexuals will appreciate the game, and among the other, you'll found some that will hate it because they haven't evolved during the last centuries.
But in both case it doesn't mean that your game is good or bad, nor that you necessarily have to change something to it. Whatever the story you'll write, whatever the kinks/fetishes you'll put in it, whatever the gender of the characters, there's nearly 2 millions members on F95Zone, it's obvious that you'll find people who'll hate what you do, as well as people who'll appreciate it.

The question is not to know if "we" (players) are pleased by your game, but if you are pleased by it. It's the only thing that really matter.
 

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Yes, everyone hates you (yes, you personally) for no reason. Absolutely no reason at all. You have my permission to feel validated.

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NTR will be the next incest... I dont like NTR myself but many others do. The NTR haters scream the loudest but i think there are way more who like NTR than non NTR. Both are not wrong to like or dislike NTR. Its persenal preference.

Make the game you want, not what others want...
 

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"Gay games, are they appreciated or hated ?" funny. You look like the kind of person whose opinion is absolute truth.
Well, since I wrote tenish lines to explicitly say that there is no absolute truth, I wonder if the comment about your game effectively regard NTR, or if you also totally misread them.
 

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NTR will be the next incest... I dont like NTR myself but many others do. The NTR haters scream the loudest but i think there are way more who like NTR than non NTR. Both are not wrong to like or dislike NTR. Its persenal preference.

Make the game you want, not what others want...
Rather... I believe there are more people that don't care if NTR is in the game compared to those that like it or hate it, in the end NTR is just a situation, even if you hate the situation if you are able to not think about it you can enjoy the scene.

But well personally I prefer to have a bit of NTR in games in the sense of being a point of conflict that motivates the player to win, overall I believe all games need conflicts to create better storylines and the risk of NTR can be a good motivation.
 

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I agree you know...

I dont like straight up NTR in the sense. MC gets to see his love interest or girl he wants willining or unwillingly fucking another dude/women...
BUT in teh case of A Mothers Love... my MC cheated on his gf and she NTR'd his ass which is right...

NTR can be in a story but as something you can recover from i believe. My next game there will be essence of NTR as its part of the story but also its not out and out NTR...

Games where NTR is there to piss you off or be a fetish doesnt interest me as its just a way to shock or track attention i feel... Is it wrong for those who love it, hell no.

Rather... I believe there are more people that don't care if NTR is in the game compared to those that like it or hate it, in the end NTR is just a situation, even if you hate the situation if you are able to not think about it you can enjoy the scene.

But well personally I prefer to have a bit of NTR in games in the sense of being a point of conflict that motivates the player to win, overall I believe all games need conflicts to create better storylines and the risk of NTR can be a good motivation.
 

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I agree you know...

I dont like straight up NTR in the sense. MC gets to see his love interest or girl he wants willining or unwillingly fucking another dude/women...
BUT in teh case of A Mothers Love... my MC cheated on his gf and she NTR'd his ass which is right...

NTR can be in a story but as something you can recover from i believe. My next game there will be essence of NTR as its part of the story but also its not out and out NTR...

Games where NTR is there to piss you off or be a fetish doesnt interest me as its just a way to shock or track attention i feel... Is it wrong for those who love it, hell no.
I agree, I can't play games that just want to give the NTR fetish during all the game and be done with it, even more I agree even more that even if the girl gets NTR it isn't the end of the world, be it because you can try to reconquer her or because there are other girls.

Overall NTR can be valuable if you use it good, only those that have the fetish enjoy having big ammounts of it without escape. I'm on the "I enjoy the challenge, bring it on!" side.
 

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NTR will be the next incest... I dont like NTR myself but many others do. The NTR haters scream the loudest but i think there are way more who like NTR than non NTR. Both are not wrong to like or dislike NTR. Its persenal preference.

Make the game you want, not what others want...
This is better than the Gay analogy. Gay games are a niche that the majority of people will never play.
NTR on the other hand is something that everyone has to face at some point in their life, including gays.

The average human fantasizes about NTR frequently. "Is my significant other cheating on me" "I could totally get away with murdering my husband" Divorce rates are 4 x what they were 2 generations ago, and don't pretend the rest are happily married... many of them are looking for a way out. They pray for an excuse... "just let me find evidence that he's cheating so I can divorce him" some people can't get divorced, because of their religion, or because they took a vow. Some stay in a bad relationship... for the children, or because a divorce would be too costly.


 

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It depend if the art/story is good (obviously). Just plain ntr/cheating is kinda dull, having corruption aplied correctly can make a big diference.

There are plenty of game dev that apply the ntr tag in a way that enjoyable, rather than frustrating.Lots of rpg apply this very well, the great thunder-steel Raiouger for example and many more.

But as ppl have said, its a matter of taste, some dont like it, others love it.
 

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NTR will be the next incest... I dont like NTR myself but many others do. The NTR haters scream the loudest but i think there are way more who like NTR than non NTR.
I think you're wrong there. I think there's a small number of die-hard ntr fans but I highly doubt it'll catch on like incest has. The majority of us like porn because of the power fantasy: "I'm so great I can fuck 4 women at the same time" or "I'm so great, my even my mom and sister want my dick". The key here is the focus on the self. When people get engaged in a story, they almost always self insert into one of the characters, namely the MC, and this happens whether you're conscious of it or not. In that vein, these games are a great way to explore one's own power fantasies, and through the MC, live them out.

Ntr, I feel, goes entirely against that. Ntr stories typically get you attached to the MC, the one who will get cucked, so that you can experience the feeling of getting ntred. That's a feeling that I don't think a lot of people like, let alone can get off to, and it especially kills the power fantasy that people want to experience in porn games. You might say "You're not supposed to self-insert into the MC" but then it's hard to keep yourself from subconsciously doing so. Any movie you watch or book you read, you tend to imagine yourself as the protagonist. If not, you're essentially reading/watching a work of fiction as if it were a history book: shit happens to these people, end of story. I think it takes a special kind of person to be able to enjoy the feeling of getting ntred or be able to keep themselves detached from any character and enjoy what's happening to the them.
 

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appreciated by some, ignored by some, hated by others. same as almost any other kink. It's not something I personally have any interest in.
 

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I dont have a problem if you make an NTR game, I only have an issue with optional NTR in games that arent about NTR.
Like you have a harem game about you fucking girls and having a harem but then you add NTR which is what bothers me because the NTR is in total dissonance with the rest of the game as it doesnt contributes to the harem theme.
Being optional doesnt works because:
1- The game is spending resources in content I dont care for which is troublesome as its resources it could have been spend on more content that I care for.
2- You cant finish the game 100%. You have to get cucked to fully complete the game.
3- It fucks the characters and narrative. If you make a badass MC and he gets cucked then the character is no longer a badass as wether you like it or not people will associate the cuck as part of his characters (Like Rowan will be a cuck no matter how much the Dev adds scene of Rowan being a badass, the cuck stigma will never wear off).
The females too. Now the loyal and pure waifu is now seen as an slut who will dump you for the nearest dick and now the pure path is no longer pure. Users will no longer buy her as someone they want to romance or pursue (See Alexa).
4- The patreon model works against it because now you have to split resourcess to appeal to both so unless your artist (Or you if you render) is a workhorse you are delivering gimped content for both sides, jack of all trades Master of none. The other option would be one update for NTR and another for non- NTR which makes the wait more ardous.
5- It can stunt your growth. Seeds of Chaos prides itself as a multifetish game and has been a long time in the race but it has had the slowest growth out of its peers despite the work ethic and art being beyond and above said peers. But really the game being known as half NTR and half Rowan made it so it had such an slow growth. Taffy Tales also sports the same idea but the dev realized his growth was being stunted thanks NTR so it focused on the MC having sex content and now it has grown a lot (Though NTR will be added soon so we will see how the game fares after NTR content starts to shime in).

But in the end its your project and motivation is essential so you dont burn out so if you want to add NTR go for it but if you want money I think not adding NTR is a safee bet.
 
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Aaaand I agree 100% with you also...

I still believe NTR is becoming more and more of a fetish that ppl like. As you say.. we live the MC;s life. A double life and NTR i still think in a game is safe as its not real life but many now see it as an erotic pleasure. I just think its creeping into many players minds.

As it is I dont like it so i steer away from games with NTR. Similar I find futa erotic when its a girl with a dick.. I am straight so I shouldn't like it as much really. I like pussy and not dick.. Transgender for me is not a turn on, are transgender people wrong or weird, hell no.

So part of me agree with you wholeheartedly and other part feels its a kink that is growing in fame amongst players...

I think you're wrong there. I think there's a small number of die-hard ntr fans but I highly doubt it'll catch on like incest has. The majority of us like porn because of the power fantasy: "I'm so great I can fuck 4 women at the same time" or "I'm so great, my even my mom and sister want my dick". The key here is the focus on the self. When people get engaged in a story, they almost always self insert into one of the characters, namely the MC, and this happens whether you're conscious of it or not. In that vein, these games are a great way to explore one's own power fantasies, and through the MC, live them out.

Ntr, I feel, goes entirely against that. Ntr stories typically get you attached to the MC, the one who will get cucked, so that you can experience the feeling of getting ntred. That's a feeling that I don't think a lot of people like, let alone can get off to, and it especially kills the power fantasy that people want to experience in porn games. You might say "You're not supposed to self-insert into the MC" but then it's hard to keep yourself from subconsciously doing so. Any movie you watch or book you read, you tend to imagine yourself as the protagonist. If not, you're essentially reading/watching a work of fiction as if it were a history book: shit happens to these people, end of story. I think it takes a special kind of person to be able to enjoy the feeling of getting ntred or be able to keep themselves detached from any character and enjoy what's happening to the them.
 

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I dont have a problem if you make an NTR game, I only have an issue with optional NTR in games that arent about NTR.
Like you have a harem game about you fucking girls and having a harem but then you add NTR which is what bothers me because the NTR is in total dissonance with the rest of the game as it doesnt contributes to the harem theme.
Being optional doesnt works because:
1- The game is spending resources in content I dont care for which is troublesome as its resources it could have been spend on more content that I care for.
2- You cant finish the game 100%. You have to get cucked to fully complete the game.
3- It fucks the characters and narrative. If you make a badass MC and he gets cucked then the character is no longer a badass as wether you like it or not people will associate the cuck as part of his characters (Like Rowan will be a cuck no matter how much the Dev adds scene of Rowan being a badass, the cuck stigma will never wear off).
The females too. Now the loyal and pure waifu is now seen as an slut who will dump you for the nearest dick and now the pure path is no longer pure. Users will no longer buy her as someone they want to romance or pursue (See Alexa).
4- The patreon model works against it because now you have to split resourcess to appeal to both so unless your artist (Or you if you render) is a workhorse you are delivering gimped content for both sides, jack of all trades Master of none. The other option would be one update for NTR and another for non- NTR which makes the wait more ardous.
5- It can stunt your growth. Seeds of Chaos prides itself as a multifetish game and has been a long time in the race but it has had the slowest growth out of its peers despite the work ethic and art being beyond and above said peers. But really the game being known as half NTR and half Rowan made it so it had such an slow growth. Taffy Tales also sports the same idea but the dev realized his growth was being stunted thanks NTR so it focused on the MC having sex content and now it has grown a lot (Though NTR will be added soon so we will see how the game fares after NTR content starts to shime in).

But in the end its your project and motivation is essential so you dont burn out so if you want to add NTR go for it but if you want money I think not adding NTR is a safee bet.
I disagree in quite a few parts that you have said:

-You are right in that a harem game that presents itself as just that doesn't need to add NTR even if it's optional, unless it was planned from the start and it was kind of "fight to make your harem".

-It doesn't fuck narrative or characters, what can fuck it is if they are really easy, I can believe Alexa having sex with Andras when she fears for Rowan's safety, in fact if we wanted the narrative to be adecuate then Alexa would have sex with Andras as a story event because the option to sneak around and risk everything isn't appropiate or even sensible at all in that situation.

-Real relationships have real problems and Alexa getting mad at Rowan's cheating for example is normal that it could push her towards cheating herself, she doesn't feel like a propety or part of Rowan's harem but as his wife!, this is very different.

Overall on seeds of chaos the NTR aspect adds to the narrative and characters, another thing is that you dislike the content itself.

In fact seeds of chaos would be more true to it's narrative if many scenes (I'm not talking about the NTR ones but many different ones) were NOT optional. I don't like gay stuff but I do believe Andras would have forced Rowan to have sex quite a few times, in fact at the start I believe both of your "rulers" would have forced you to have sex. Other characters like the librarian I do believe they wouldn't care about your opinnion of if you prefer to give her your semen this way or that way, she would just do it in the way she wants and be done with it.

But well, the game can't make that because some people wouldn't accept it, even if you can skip the scene and don't see what you dislike of story events they would be like "but I know it happened!" and this useless comment is what doesn't let most of the games to have a more complex storyline related to sex. You know, in many games that I have played from japanese many bad things happen as story events, one of the most liked ones is Sengoku Rance and in that one Kouhime gets raped "in the true route", in fact the game that saved Alicesoft from bankrupcy was a game called Kichikuou Rance and this game is the king of bad endings for characters, while most of them can be prevented if you act fast enough it is more than possible that in your first playthrough you will encounter really sad things (like the death of Sill for example).

Lastly... no, that the game gives a possibility of the girlfriend's cheating doesn't make the MC a cuck unless we are under that possibility, not all games are made for you to obtain 100% in cg's or content, the same as Undertale gives you the option to just leave it on the happy ending or try to get the genocide run.
 
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I think the gay analogy is not 100% accurate though not completely wrong either.

For people who like straight porn and who don't relate to characters involved, NTR is just straight porn without any emotions attached.

To consider NTR a fetish you need to relate to one of the characters at least in some way, sadistic in case of netori, masochistic in case of netorare. For male players the involvement of another man also implies at least some degree of bisexuality.

A strong feeling of hatred towards NTR and it's devolopers also requires some degree on emotional involvements, often a fear of being cheated, disgust of cheaters or powerful moral convictions. I also think, this is the level where NTR can't be compared to gay games, because, if you're not gay, you simply wont play gay games, but you wont hate them.

So in most cases, NTR is straight porn with some fetishists and some haters.

Personally I prefer lesbian porn games and don't like NTR unless of course, it's lesbian NTR (meaning a lesbian character stealing the woman). Typical NTR for me is on the lower end of the straight spectrum, every male character involved making it slightly worse. I don't relate to characters in porn though, so I'm not a hater either. To each their own.