NTR - help me understand it ( planning a NTR game )

[DreamBig Games]

Hey NTR fans.

I was thinking of developing a short NTR game and I need help understanding it better.

If you would be inclined in a short call and help me with this, please join my Discord and DM me there.

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[Meaning Less]

There are a few flavours of ntr.

If you mean netorare, and you are going for a short game check existing shorter games like NTRMan, this dev does a decent job using the kink in a shorter form, so maybe play some of his titles to get the gist of it.

But in general I'd recommend thinking twice about this endeavor unless you actually enjoy/understand the kink yourself as well to explore what you like about it.

 

[DreamBig Games]

Thanks.
I will have a look at his games.

As for the kink, I'm not really into it, but I am not against it either. in real life, me and the wife attend swingers clubs, and we swapped couples, so I am not bothered about sharing.

Yes, it would be a short game ( just a test to see how well I can do it and also to test the market ).

 

[LS47]

Thanks.
I will have a look at his games.

As for the kink, I'm not really into it, but I am not against it either. in real life, me and the wife attend swingers clubs, and we swapped couples, so I am not bothered about sharing.

Yes, it would be a short game ( just a test to see how well I can do it and also to test the market ).

Making a porn game about a fetish you don't understand nor are fully into is just a repice for disaster. There are many devs here who think making games for others will get them a community and the Patreon support they are looking for, but they just end up buried in the thousands of similar games made by people who are here because of money instead of passion.

Find a fetish you're into and know really well, and make a game off that instead. It will feel much more genuine and we'll get to explore your point of view on why you like it so much. You said you're into swinging and sharing, so IMO you should make a game about that.

 

[DreamBig Games]

I've released plenty of games already, so I am not into "recipes for disaster" fetish
But, I do make my games based on the market. And, I am one of the few dev's ( experienced ones ) that doesn't have a problem exporing themes that aren't necesarly my themes.
Hence, why I asked for help understanding NTR.

If every dev would create a game based only on what is familiar or interested in, you would not have such a diversity of games created.
Also, if dev's would be scared to try things they don't fully understand, 99% of us would not have released/ created any games.
We are used with learning as we go, exploring new things and not afraid to fail. This is what makes us "dev's".

 

[LS47]

DreamBig Games,

I fully agree with your idea of stepping out of your comfort zone and experimenting with new things at least for the sake of it. The adult game scene desperatey needs more people taking risks and exploring what can be done with the medium.

With that said, I think you give too much value to what the market has to say about it. Unless you don't care about money, this scene is simply too small for most of us to make profits from it. Some devs have managed a certain success, but promoting your game in this day and age is harder than ever, even with F95zone's help, and donators that are there are already spread thin across many Patreons and might not even give you the time of the day if your game cannot capture their attention. That's why, if you want to be noticed nowadays, your game has to be really, really good; which means knowing how your story or game mechanics compliment your game's fetishes, and how to push the right buttons with your players to keep your eyes on you.

Make a game you like, and make it as best as you can. I'll always applaud a dev for taking risks and trying new things, but I'll always reward more a dev who knows what he's doing and pushes the boundaries of what he can already do. Also, since you're into swinging, maybe you should make a game around that, rather than making "NTR game #234", as there aren't many games with that fetish on this site.

Not that that's surprising, considering F95 users are insecure about being cucked in their fictional worlds, but whatever...

 

[DreamBig Games]

DreamBig Games,

I fully agree with your idea of stepping out of your comfort zone and experimenting with new things at least for the sake of it. The adult game scene desperatey needs more people taking risks and exploring what can be done with the medium.

With that said, I think you give too much value to what the market has to say about it. Unless you don't care about money, this scene is simply too small for most of us to make profits from it. Some devs have managed a certain success, but promoting your game in this day and age is harder than ever, even with F95zone's help, and donators that are there are already spread thin across many Patreons and might not even give you the time of the day if your game cannot capture their attention. That's why, if you want to be noticed nowadays, your game has to be really, really good; which means knowing how your story or game mechanics compliment your game's fetishes, and how to push the right buttons with your players to keep your eyes on you.

Make a game you like, and make it as best as you can. I'll always applaud a dev for taking risks and trying new things, but I'll always reward more a dev who knows what he's doing and pushes the boundaries of what he can already do. Also, since you're into swinging, maybe you should make a game around that, rather than making "NTR game #234", as there aren't many games with that fetish on this site.

Not that that's surprising, considering F95 users are insecure about being cucked in their fictional worlds, but whatever...

I've been developing games as a full time occupation ( I don;t consider it a job, or at least it doesn;t feel like one ) for the past 3 years. And while I didn;t get rich, I did make a living and provided for my family with it.

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So, the monetary and marketing aspects of it are known to me.


But, I am not asking about the viability of making a game.
I am asking for help in understanding the kink. Stuff like NTR tropes, what makes a good NTR theme, what people find enjoyable in NTR games, what are the boundries ( if any ), other fetishes that mix well with NTR, etc.

 

[Count Morado]

If every dev would create a game based only on what is familiar or interested in, you would not have such a diversity of games created.
Also, if dev's would be scared to try things they don't fully understand, 99% of us would not have released/ created any games.
We are used with learning as we go, exploring new things and not afraid to fail. This is what makes us "dev's".

While I agree with this position - there is a huge difference in making a foray into writing about anal sex when one has never given or received than going into a genre which you have no idea about (outside of the basic definition and the myriad of personal opinions thrust about as if they are gospel). It's one thing to write a science fiction or fantasy novel and completely different to write a detective novel or historic epic. Almost anyone can do the former without much experience or knowledge, the latter requires much deeper understanding.

If you want to do research - I would watch highly rated animes that focus on the netorare genre. I would read highly rated manga that focus on the netorare genre. Then I would play various highly respected games/VNs that have netorare as a focus. Finally, reading up on the various major perspectives of the netorare genre on respected sites and books, catching podcasts and vlogs that discuss the diversity of views on netorare. I'm talking months of serious research of taking notes before writing one line of code or one sentence of dialogue. Live, eat, breathe, consume it.

If you are wanting to do netorare and not simply attempt to feign it.

Making a porn game about a fetish you don't understand nor are fully into is just a repice for disaster.

Completely agree.

Unless you don't care about money, this scene is simply too small for most of us to make profits from it.

False assumption.

Make a game you like, and make it as best as you can.

Agree again.

as there aren't many games with that fetish on this site.

Over 1100 is not a minute number - Yes it's about 8% of all game listed, but it - in itself - is not small.

considering F95 users are insecure about being cucked in their fictional worlds

Disagree - there is a very small vocal minority of players which feel abused and repressed whenever they get even a whiff that a love interest used to even look at another boy/girl 10 years before the game time line.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I'll always applaud a dev for taking risks and trying new things, but I'll always reward more a dev who knows what he's doing and pushes the boundaries of what he can already do.

Said otherwise:
An average game relying on fetishes/kinks the creator know and master, will always have at least a bit more success than the exact same game, but made by someone who don't really know about the fetishes/kinks he'll implement.
In the first case, he will at least appeal to the players who like the said fetishes/kinks, in the second neither those who dislike it, nor those who like it, will be interested.

 

[LS47]

Disagree - there is a very small vocal minority of players which feel abused and repressed whenever they get even a whiff that a love interest used to even look at another boy/girl 10 years before the game time line.

It was a joke, I was just referencing the fact that there were many threads over the years with 100+ comments with people complaining about NTR. I didn't mean it seriously

 

[White Lamp]

Anything relating to themes of cheating and betrayal through sex and emotions is what I associate NTR with.

there are “strict” definitions but the above is what I believe most people identify NTR as.

good luck!

 

[LS47]

I've been developing games as a full time occupation ( I don;t consider it a job, or at least it doesn;t feel like one ) for the past 3 years. And while I didn;t get rich, I did make a living and provided for my family with it.

You must be registered to see the links

So, the monetary and marketing aspects of it are known to me.


But, I am not asking about the viability of making a game.
I am asking for help in understanding the kink. Stuff like NTR tropes, what makes a good NTR theme, what people find enjoyable in NTR games, what are the boundries ( if any ), other fetishes that mix well with NTR, etc.

I had no idea of the kind of game dev experience you had prior to your comments, so I couldn't really assess your confidence in your success.

But if that's what you really want to do, and if you're able to make a living from it, then please go for it! I'm not gonna stop you. As long as your games are made with care and effort, I'm not gonna complain. As I said, we need more devs expanding their boundaries, after all.

 

[DreamBig Games]

If you want to do research - I would watch highly rated animes that focus on the netorare genre. I would read highly rated manga that focus on the netorare genre. Then I would play various highly respected games/VNs that have netorare as a focus. Finally, reading up on the various major perspectives of the netorare genre on respected sites and books, catching podcasts and vlogs that discuss the diversity of views on netorare.

And, this is why I started this thread.
With one caveat: My opinion is that playing/ watching/ reading "guides" about a creative subject ( like a game theme ) has a high chance of leading to a "bubble" effect ( my creations/ ideas would be too heavily influenced by what I played/ watched ) and I would like to avoid that.
This is why I am asking players, ad, hopefully, from a diversity of answers I would be able to extract common themes, but also, uncommon ideas.

 

[Count Morado]

And, this is why I started this thread.
With one caveat: My opinion is that playing/ watching/ reading "guides" about a creative subject ( like a game theme ) has a high chance of leading to a "bubble" effect ( my creations/ ideas would be too heavily influenced by what I played/ watched ) and I would like to avoid that.
This is why I am asking players, ad, hopefully, from a diversity of answers I would be able to extract common themes, but also, uncommon ideas.

Good luck.

 

[LS47]

And, this is why I started this thread.
With one caveat: My opinion is that playing/ watching/ reading "guides" about a creative subject ( like a game theme ) has a high chance of leading to a "bubble" effect ( my creations/ ideas would be too heavily influenced by what I played/ watched ) and I would like to avoid that.
This is why I am asking players, ad, hopefully, from a diversity of answers I would be able to extract common themes, but also, uncommon ideas.

Players, ironically, are not a good unit of measure for what's "good" or not. Most of us here can't even structure our thoughts in extreme details to tell why we like the games we like. If you go to any game on this site you'll see tons of 5 star reviews for mediocre games, that can be summed up with "game's good, the chicks are hot, I like it", written by people who are clearly not used to analyse in depth the reasons why these games resonated with them.

Also, no matter what topic you're studying, you'll always end up mimickying your source of inspiration in one way of another. That's not the end of the world; that's a good thing actually. Over time you'll be able to critcally analyse the shortcomings of your game and shy away more and more from its flaws. Don't be scared of copying others; as they say, imitation is the greatest flattery, or something like that...

 

[MangoMeta]

it all makes sense as to why this guy was fighting in the harem thread now lol

 

[DreamBig Games]

it all makes sense as to why this guy was fighting in the harem thread now lol

Actually, that was the discussion that made me research this subject more.

I have had a few players asking for NRT content in the past, but, until recently, didn;t think too much about it.
Now, with that discussion, I gained a bit more interest in the subject, enough to start thinking about making a game focused on that.

So, good job, anti-NTR team

 

[DreamBig Games]

Players, ironically, are not a good unit of measure for what's "good" or not. Most of us here can't even structure our thoughts in extreme details to tell why we like the games we like. If you go to any game on this site you'll see tons of 5 star reviews for mediocre games, that can be summed up with "game's good, the chicks are hot, I like it", written by people who are clearly not used to analyse in depth the reasons why these games resonated with them.

Also, no matter what topic you're studying, you'll always end up mimickying your source of inspiration in one way of another. That's not the end of the world; that's a good thing actually. Over time you'll be able to critcally analyse the shortcomings of your game and shy away more and more from its flaws. Don't be scared of copying others; as they say, imitation is the greatest flattery, or something like that...

imitation is the greatest flattery, ... that is good for the one who is imitated, not for the one who imitates .

Yes, I am aware of player reviews and their limitations, but, they are players. They are the consumers, and in the end, with their wallets decide if a game is good or not ( the users who actually pay for their games, at least ).

So, I would still go with the idea that getting some opinions on the games from players, instead of copying other games would be a more desirable way.

 

[MangoMeta]

Actually, that was the discussion that made me research this subject more.

I have had a few players asking for NRT content in the past, but, until recently, didn;t think too much about it.
Now, with that discussion, I gained a bit more interest in the subject, enough to start thinking about making a game focused on that.

So, good job, anti-NTR team

don't think they are missing out on much. would say in fact that your games would be better off serving some niche fetish, at least then theres not much competition, so lower quality prevails.

 

[bobdillan]

Hey NTR fans.

I was thinking of developing a short NTR game and I need help understanding it better.

If you would be inclined in a short call and help me with this, please join my Discord and DM me there.

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This is me:

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So you troll the harem thread... only to be an NTR fan....

And get the thread locked... classic Zero reprocussions for NTR-Pro Trolls.

This forum is really living up to its street-name...