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Bubulae

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from what i’ve understood so far, most of the hate sao gets came from a bandwagon started by big anitubers like the anime man and others. every time they got a chance to talk about sao, they dumped on it. people just followed along without thinking twice for themselves. kirito’s a better character than jinwoo in every way even though they’re both mary sue characters, but somehow sao gets all the hate. i’ve stopped caring what other people think. most of them never had their own opinions to begin with. i’ve learned to just trust my own take. people also said gundam wing was amazing and seed was trash, but it ended up being the other way around for me xD
Dude really think most of the hate come from this tuber.. SMH...

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Matoga

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But then solo leveling somehow became anime of the year, so what do I know... (the most self insert power fantasy MC ever).
It was recency bias and no competition, Solo Leveling S1 was nominated for Anime of the year but S2 just wrapped up like 2 months before the awards, and that season got so insanely popular that nothing had a chance of beating it, which is partly because there was no other popular mainstream anime that season to compete with it. The same thing happenend to JJK, the Hidden Inventory arc (first 5 episodes of S2) was nominated for the award, but everyone who voted for it voted because of the Shibuya Incident (rest of S2), and not for the stuff that it was actually nominated for.

Listen i LOVE the manhwa of Solo Leveling, i couldn't tell you how many times i've read that fucking thing, but giving SJW best main character and giving SL anime of the year was just one of the dumbest things i've ever seen in my life, i haven't even seen Frieren except for like a few clips, like that red haired guy fighting a dragon or whatever, and i still wanted it to win over SL.
 

Matoga

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it’s okay dude xP, even i enjoy a lot of generic isekai slop xD. but calling jinwoo a better character than kirito is a bit of a stretch
Calling Kirito a better character than SWJ is just as much of a stretch, neither of them are good characters by any metric, except for maybe like the rule of cool, which is borderline the lifeblood of every power fantasy, and in my subjective opintion SWJ is objectively the coolest power fantasy MC, hence the reason why the anime got so popular.

That is the appeal of the entire show, watching the MC get progressively stronger and increasing his army, how is Kirito being strong from the get-go solely because he was a beta tester or whatever any better ?
 

drag0nf6y

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Calling Kirito a better character than SWJ is just as much of a stretch, neither of them are good characters by any metric, except for maybe like the rule of cool, which is borderline the lifeblood of every power fantasy, and in my subjective opintion SWJ is objectively the coolest power fantasy MC, hence the reason why the anime got so popular.



That is the appeal of the entire show, watching the MC get progressively stronger and increasing his army, how is Kirito being strong from the get-go solely because he was a beta tester or whatever any better ?
different strokes for different folks ig. but slop leveling really lacks interesting world building, because if you take away jinwoo aka the op mc, you can't name a single memorable scene or even any of the other characters xD
let's not talk about slop leveling before the thread gets purged or something, and i won't be wordcelling anymore
 

LordFrz

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Always thought main SAO hate was because Kirito is the staple self insert protagonist. But then solo leveling somehow became anime of the year, so what do I know... (the most self insert power fantasy MC ever).
The SAO hate probably comes from how it completely changes in tone once they leave the death game. Most people will say that the first part when they are in the original game is very good. But then it switches to that fairy world and really loses the stakes. Which is why underworld is liked by most people.
 

LordFrz

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>nooo!! slop leveling stuck to its premise of a weak protagonist becoming op, but kirito was already strong!!
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The buff Jin woo isnt even the same guy as the original dude, his entire bone structure changed. Literally nothin but the name is the same, lol. He didnt power up, bro died and they brought in the stereotypical model. lol
 

Sieglinnde

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from what i’ve understood so far, most of the hate sao gets came from a bandwagon started by big anitubers like the anime man and others. every time they got a chance to talk about sao, they dumped on it. people just followed along without thinking twice for themselves. kirito’s a better character than jinwoo in every way even though they’re both mary sue characters, but somehow sao gets all the hate. i’ve stopped caring what other people think. most of them never had their own opinions to begin with. i’ve learned to just trust my own take. people also said gundam wing was amazing and seed was trash, but it ended up being the other way around for me xD
Years ago when I was really young I was among those people who criticized SAO just because everyone else did it and I truly feel ashamed of that because after some time I thought about it and I started to think that it wasn't so bad after all... I watched it when I was very young and I liked it at the moment, I just never finished it... But yeah, i agree that it's sad and unfair when a community does that with an anime or a game or something
 
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archedio

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Personally, I dislike overpowered MCs, what I call "wish-fulfillment protagonists", so I can’t stand characters like Kirito or Jinwoo. Their struggles are minimal (if you can even call half an episode of tension a "struggle"), and their plot armor is so thick they bulldoze through every enemy without real stakes.

If you want a truly well-written protagonist, check out the rank 1st LN, by Guiltythree. Now that’s how you balance power with compelling storytelling.
 

Eet_Fuk

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Anyone play the e-thots game, I just got into chapter 2 as I understand and was wondering if the game picks up the pace a bit
 

Ion.TemUS

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urgh, not a lot going on rn in terms of releases....
I can recommend this game:

came out recently, not on DLSite
it's A.I. art I think, but its decently done
you will be entertained by the gameplay for like 1-2 dungeon runs, after that it will become a bit of a hassle.
but there is the option to cheat and just skip the dungeon gameplay and let it just play the dungeon events
its linear, so there is almost no choices, just the ending can be one of 3 different variations
but I like some of the characters and the corruption is well done
only negative is that its over too quickly, there could be a whole 50% more story/events and it would be so much better
either way though some good CGs, some good scenes and characters arent done too badly as far as NTR-plot goes.

Basic story is MC goes to a famous dungeon city with his two (FMC) childhood friends. They are looking for a cure for some sickness befalling their village. They are beginners and need to hire someone to accompany them in the dungeon cause rules is party needs 4 members. MC is competent but not that strong (not weak though), antagonist/bull is a frivolous extroverted perverted good looking strong brute that can be nice but uses mostly dirty tricks to get the girls to sleep with him. NTR is not avoidable but there is an ending where they end up with the MC.
 

destron7000

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urgh, not a lot going on rn in terms of releases....
I can recommend this game:

came out recently, not on DLSite
it's A.I. art I think, but its decently done
you will be entertained by the gameplay for like 1-2 dungeon runs, after that it will become a bit of a hassle.
but there is the option to cheat and just skip the dungeon gameplay and let it just play the dungeon events
its linear, so there is almost no choices, just the ending can be one of 3 different variations
but I like some of the characters and the corruption is well done
only negative is that its over too quickly, there could be a whole 50% more story/events and it would be so much better
either way though some good CGs, some good scenes and characters arent done too badly as far as NTR-plot goes.

Basic story is MC goes to a famous dungeon city with his two (FMC) childhood friends. They are looking for a cure for some sickness befalling their village. They are beginners and need to hire someone to accompany them in the dungeon cause rules is party needs 4 members. MC is competent but not that strong (not weak though), antagonist/bull is a frivolous extroverted perverted good looking strong brute that can be nice but uses mostly dirty tricks to get the girls to sleep with him. NTR is not avoidable but there is an ending where they end up with the MC.
Need translation :(
 

Catapo

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Naruto is weird, I love it but it’s NTR and love in general is meh at best. Hinata and Naruto was very clearly an afterthought, and don’t get me started on Sasuke and Sakura. The show just doesn’t have the depth to be an effective NTR parody imo
My opinions on the anime and the main couple aside, one genuine question for you guys.
Does it really have to be about the main characters in order to consider it a good parody ?

I mean hear me out ... Hayate (or whatever that one coughing guy's name was) and that one oddly hot blue / purplish haired ANBU woman.

With some (a lot) of writing behind it could turn quite great. A sickly mediocre guy overshadowed by his secret agent romantic interest who is constantly on top secret missions with a bunch of elite dudes can be peak NTR.
 

jack_456

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(704x304, SUBS EN/RU/NOR, original sound). Had already uploaded on Mega before seeing a link here, so whatever.

I want to watch Babygirl with Kidman some time.

I somehow fond of My Wife is Having an Affair This Week TV Series. There are 2007 Japanese version (guess I like Ishida at that age) and Korean version of 2016. Think it's based on a real story/internet postings in 1999, and maybe it was eventually published as a novel or something, so maybe someone will want to find it. Japanese one is difficult to find, but one can go and download the episodes using some browser extension or just watch. I downloaded yesterday using MPMux for Chrome (extension for downloading streaming videos).

Here's a para about that underlying story BTW:
~~ Adapted from the novel “Konshu Tsuma ga Uwaki Shimasu” (今週,妻が浮気します) by Chuokoron Shinsha (中央公論新社), which was compiled from a online bulletin board.
Yambidexter Does it has any sex scenes
 
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