Ion.TemUS
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yea the main thing I did not like about the first game was just how short the mystery-NTR part was, there was so much potential.
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Well there is mystery and then there is mystery. One of those gives you nothing, just the girl starts being a bit distant etc.
The other ones has you asshole coworker as your neighbor, who regularly brings girls to fuck and is loud while doing it. But this time the voice sounds a bit familiar? Huh, why are you all ruffled while working? What is that white liquid? Where are your hands when you are sitting side by side with the douche coworker?
The second type is hot. It gives you SOMETHING that is happening just outside your vision. The first one is just plain outside your vision. Its boring and its imo pure crap. Honto no Kimochi is itself pretty good, just untranslated... you also arent forced to play mc only pov first.
Oh, could've sworn it was translated. It has a request thread, and you could use MTool to play it, but other than that it isn't translated, sorry.
So, my opinion on Anti-NTR.
My main issue is that they take the assumptions within the game, see competition in RL, and assume 'losing' means weakness. Plus the excessive kinkshaming (which is unacceptable).
The works also have problems. They don't really tackle the genre and its tropes, it is just quick vapid power fantasy.
You can desconstruct NTR down to its core, by either form or shape. Some think portraying the usual MCs as bad is 'good' (while I think it is bad), while others do not.
But it does make sense for most of them act like that since they dislike the genre and it is more due to the fear of being cheated on, it carries an implication that humans as a whole should never be trusted, and well...when you can't trust others, you will see an ease on dehumanizing and objectifying them, after all 'loyalty is a weakness'.
Reeeegardless.
Honestly the genre is disappointing. I would love to see a tale in which the MC listens to the usual 'bully villain' spouting pseudo social darwinistic bullcrap and acts accordingly. To which...well, sure, he loses the moral highground, but 'If the world rewards selfish, manipulative people, why wouldn’t he become one?'
In a sense it would be nice. He does become pro active, learns, grows out of his bullshit and becomes 'better' in regards to his environment.
And from outside we are just annoyed...but in which anyone with a modicum of common sense can understand that you can't endlessly demand morality if morality leads to nowhere.
The corruption starts with the FMC and ends with MC embracing it. Does the fact he is no longer 'better than them' or being the 'bigger person' has anything meaningful? Morality is Fluid. Assuming it is absolute is what leads to Anti-NTR in first place.
My main issue is that they take the assumptions within the game, see competition in RL, and assume 'losing' means weakness. Plus the excessive kinkshaming (which is unacceptable).
The works also have problems. They don't really tackle the genre and its tropes, it is just quick vapid power fantasy.
You can desconstruct NTR down to its core, by either form or shape. Some think portraying the usual MCs as bad is 'good' (while I think it is bad), while others do not.
But it does make sense for most of them act like that since they dislike the genre and it is more due to the fear of being cheated on, it carries an implication that humans as a whole should never be trusted, and well...when you can't trust others, you will see an ease on dehumanizing and objectifying them, after all 'loyalty is a weakness'.
Reeeegardless.
Honestly the genre is disappointing. I would love to see a tale in which the MC listens to the usual 'bully villain' spouting pseudo social darwinistic bullcrap and acts accordingly. To which...well, sure, he loses the moral highground, but 'If the world rewards selfish, manipulative people, why wouldn’t he become one?'
In a sense it would be nice. He does become pro active, learns, grows out of his bullshit and becomes 'better' in regards to his environment.
And from outside we are just annoyed...but in which anyone with a modicum of common sense can understand that you can't endlessly demand morality if morality leads to nowhere.
The corruption starts with the FMC and ends with MC embracing it. Does the fact he is no longer 'better than them' or being the 'bigger person' has anything meaningful? Morality is Fluid. Assuming it is absolute is what leads to Anti-NTR in first place.
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A Gentle Girl and A Short Escape 1-3
guys whats the best way to translate like mtool, is there something better as the free version (and easy to use)
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You only got mtool and sugoi toolkit for novels afaik. Just use the free version of mtool with bad translator or just pay up those few bucks to get the mtool sugoi/chatgpt 3,5. Its pretty cheap.
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There is sugoi toolkit, but you could just pay 3 bucks and get mtool with deepseek ai, i dont know why sugoi and chatgpt are in lvl 2 and deepseek in lvl1 it should be the other way around if you ask me.
Any games where the girls get fucked and they take her pictures etc, like ntr triangle. Would be better if it has nice animation.
Yes, it is more expensive but the cheaper option is better, that being deepseek.
Yes but it's more expensive. That's why it requires a higher tier subscription to use.
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I guess the latter type of mystery you explained could be expanded into the term (let's just say) "world-building". I too believe this tends to be only a sparingly utilized element in Netorare AVN storytelling specifically, which (to give the devs the benefit of the doubt) is likely due to logistical, resource, and/or time constraints. Because it may or may not provide just a marginal improvement to the main narrative, and with diminishing returns since the market of NTR works is not as massive as the vanilla works (where the expansive world-building would more promisingly pay off).
For example, netorare stories can benefit from making the story starts before the male MC and the female Love Interest became an item. This way, the devs may have more room to build suspense via foreshadowing, by (for example) suggesting the female MC having slutty tendencies or past experiences. The dev can counterract this by establishing a solid reason for the female LI to fall in love with MC (which certainly is not the hardest thing to do), but the audience knows that this doesn't necessarily undo her past. So the element of suspense will still be there and ever-looming.
Another narrative device to help craft world-building is using side characters to establish an adulterous atmosphere, for example the female LI (now girlfriend) still keeping in touch with her "party girls" friend group. And the dev can then explicitly show those side characters' corruption (as in, being slutty), and it will positively contribute to the suspense in Male MC & his girl's storyline. The proximity with the party girls will evoke a sense of foreboding, as in the feeling that the girlfriend may likely fall into cheating because of the influences of her friends.
And of course there is always the narrative device of cyber-spying. Think snooping into private social media accounts ("finsta"), private messaging apps, remote access, hacking into surveillance cameras, etc. It doesn't necessarily have to involve the female LI (girlfriend) herself, at least in the first half of the story. But the dev should focus on establishing the cultural "feel" and atmosphere of the story's setting. For example just showing that the girlfriends' peers (both boys & girls) from campus is going house parties, yachting, raves, etc. And let the (once again) proximity do the work in building the narrative suspense. Ominously suggesting that the girlfriend may feel left out being "tied down" with MC, and so her subsequent outings ("girls night/trip) with her friends may entail something happening behind the curtains.
So the main point i'm trying to convey here is; the tension build-up doesn't have to always actively involve the female LI (girlfriend) herself. The "world" she chose to passively place herself in also greatly tells something about herself. And the reveal of these "tidbits" may be done gradually, so as to not make it seem like the girlfriend is (for some reason) forcing herself to be in compromising/risque situations all the time for the sake of building tension for the netorare plot.
Just giving my two cents. And by all means, let me know if i'm wrong in assuming these narratives techniques being rarely utilized. Because i'd LOVE to play some games/VNs with these elements ASAP.
EDIT: o shit, just realized you're the same dude i chatted with some time ago here. What's good
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Actually, a half of the girls in The Last Sovereign are more or less tomboyish, starting from
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(she is practically the main girl in the story, I recall even a joke "Aka is MC" from someone in the community). I'm currently playing it, and it's of a superb-quality plot. But not an ntr-dedicated story, even though some suchlike things do happen.Some ntr doujins with tomboyish characters I more or less liked
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Have you tried Henteria Chronicles Ch. 3 : The Peacekeepers ? By the way, Kilometer Immorales, there're some kinda tomboyish characters.
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