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[Duongvipro2000]

anyone have new update 0.16

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[Lupiscanis]

Yay, another NTR discussion.

NTR doesn't even need physical betrayal, its just the (perceived!) stealing of affection. Regardless of if its actually stolen or remains stolen. That's why its not always cheating. If the bull rapes the girl in front of the cuck, its NTR, even if afterwards he gets arrested and the girl and cuck stay together. The cuck was ntrd during the rape.

I disagree. Rape isn't emotional betrayal, it's violation of the person being raped. I can't think of any games off the top of my head where someone who is raped has that be the only thing that happens to them (even if it's multiple times) and that's the plot point. Every case I've seen of rape is either in stories not featuring Netorare or in Netorare games as a basis for the corruption of the love interest.

About the only edge case in my mind is if the love interest enjoys the rape and this causes the emotional betrayal.

Your version (to me) is saying that the love interest is essentially the property of the protagonist and has been damaged by the rape, thus, stolen (it's entirely possible I misunderstood your point here so feel free to clarify).

There are works where the girl fucks the bull and the cuck is almost never onscreen and unaware, yet WE observe the betrayal. In one work, the husband just asks his wife if he gave her the best sex and then we get a flashback of her getting wildly fucked in the past and at the end we return to the present and she lies with "yes". No technical betrayal, they presumably live happily ever after, but we get the "betrayal".

This is a distinction that is often argued about - is the betrayal in netorare based on the protagonist's point of view or the player's? I actually argued this point in this thread but was told I was incorrect, even though the tag on the site says nothing about whether it's the protagonist or the player who is supposed to feel jealousy ("Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC") with replies such as "You can envy a virtual character, but you can not be jealous because of one" which I think is absurd. Just because you don't 'possess' a character doesn't mean you can't feel jealousy/betrayal (particularly if you self-insert).

In other works the cuck and girl aren't even together, he just likes to and plans to confess to her. Incoming the bull who fucks her and she accepts him and never finds out the cuck loved her. Still, the feeling of her getting stolen is felt.

That's BSS. It's a distinct subtype of Netorare, mostly popularised in Korea I believe.

In summary, NTR always has the perception of undeserved affection and that the cuck is supposed to win by normal standards which got reverted.

I didn't really understand this sentence. If you're saying that the 'cuck' is supposed to 'win' by being a wholesome normal person then I'd say you're incorrect because not every protagonist in a netorare game is a wholesome normal person. Otherwise I have no idea what you were getting at here.

 

[TenyTiny]

Rape as a basis for the corruption of the love interest.

It's so overplayed ong not even slightly hot. Just a lazy shortcut to dodge having to think about the plot

 

[zatch766]

From Wife to Wench https://f95zone.to/threads/from-wife-to-wench-ch-5-foreverlosing.256683/ is new gold standard imo in NTR games

 

[Eet_Fuk]

From Wife to Wench https://f95zone.to/threads/from-wife-to-wench-ch-5-foreverlosing.256683/ is new gold standard imo in NTR games

Does the art get better later on?

 

[Gicoo]

I disagree.

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Boy falls in love with girl and its indicated she will reciprocate, just for the rapists to jump in and do them both. They still like each other. NTR ain't necessarily about leaving or not loving the cuck, its about them been interrupted and stolen, regardless if forever or just a moment.

That's BSS. It's a distinct subtype of Netorare, mostly popularised in Korea I believe.

So this work isn't ntr?

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Tons of ntr works play with the cuck being about to confess and the girl not being aware of it, but the bull still destroying the cucks expectations.

If you're saying that the 'cuck' is supposed to 'win' by being a wholesome normal person

Nah, just that the cuck is initially portrayed as the de facto partner, either because he is, because he is in the source material, or because it starts from his perspective and we associate ourselves with the starting/main character by default.


Your view of NTR is too narrow mined, given how broadly this genre is.

 

[Lupiscanis]

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Boy falls in love with girl and its indicated she will reciprocate, just for the rapists to jump in and do them both. They still like each other. NTR ain't necessarily about leaving or not loving the cuck, its about them been interrupted and stolen, regardless if forever or just a moment.

I think firstly that's a strange work to use to represent your point as if both characters are raped, would that mean they're both NTR'd in your example? Does NTR x 2 cancel out? In all seriousness though, the female character seems to express at least dubious consent to the rape at one point so yes, I would class it as a kind of netorare if you want to be semantical about it.

So this work isn't ntr?

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Tons of ntr works play with the cuck being about to confess and the girl not being aware of it, but the bull still destroying the cucks expectations.

No, my point was it's a type of Netorare, but distinct from what most people think of when they think of Netorare, since there's no (actual) relationship between the protagonist and love interest outside of what the protagonist might perceive.

Nah, just that the cuck is initially portrayed as the de facto partner, either because he is, because he is in the source material, or because it starts from his perspective and we associate ourselves with the starting/main character by default.

I mean, yes? You have to have a protagonist for it to be netorare in the first place? I don't disagree so if this is all you meant, then broadly, yes.

Your view of NTR is too narrow mined, given how broadly this genre is.

Okay? I don't think I am being narrow minded but you're entitled to think so.

 

[Lupiscanis]

It's so overplayed ong not even slightly hot. Just a lazy shortcut to dodge having to think about the plot

I agree and I don't particularly enjoy it since my enjoyment comes primarily from the corruption of the woman/women involved, not their violation, but it is a common trope.

 

[Gicoo]

I think firstly that's a strange work to use to represent your point as if both characters are raped, would that mean they're both NTR'd in your example? Does NTR x 2 cancel out?

You play it as a joke, but double ntr isn't a novelty.

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Or if you insist on games: https://f95zone.to/threads/mirages-defection-v1-04-chimalabo.228580/ a series of 4 planned games around double ntr

So no, it doesn't matter if the cuck is getting fucked either, it wouldn't cancel each other out.

Most of your points seem semantics. Like the type of NTR or distinction from the classical ntr, something that I usually clarify if its yuri ntr, reverse ntr, or if its hypnosis or blackmail ntr in contrast to seduction etc.

Just labeling a work with NTR is not sufficient to tell the audience what the game is about.

 

[Lupiscanis]

You play it as a joke, but double ntr isn't a novelty.

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Or if you insist on games: https://f95zone.to/threads/mirages-defection-v1-04-chimalabo.228580/ a series of 4 planned games around double ntr

So no, it doesn't matter if the cuck is getting fucked either, it wouldn't cancel each other out.

I mean, yes, I was talking about games since this is a game site. It was entirely a jest and I'm fully aware that double NTR or whatever you want to call it exists, since I've played Mirage's Defection myself.

We're straying from the point though - the issue is that I don't view rape as betrayal, which is what you asserted when this conversation chain started. None of the examples you've provided seem to dispute that.

Most of your points seem semantics. Like the type of NTR or distinction from the classical ntr, something that I usually clarify if its yuri ntr, reverse ntr, or if its hypnosis or blackmail ntr in contrast to seduction etc.

Just labeling a work with NTR is not sufficient to tell the audience what the game is about.

I agree just labelling a game as NTR doesn't give you a precise idea of what the game is about (apart from some form of NTR, providing the tag is accurate) but that's not really the point?

I guess at this point I just don't really know what you're trying to get at?

 

[LordFrz]

Forgive me for disagreeing with you but cuckold is just cheating with a focus on humiliation.
A netorare genre story core excitement and central goal is the heroine leaving the MC for a antagonist that is better at sex. All netorare subgenres are a variation of this.
In the case of cheating, the heroine beatrays the MC but still remains with the MC at the end.
In the netorase subgenre the MC shares heroine with the antagonist but, instead of coming back to the MC, she leaves the MC for the antagonist in the end.

I think you are confusing a story with a story genre.
A story is just collection of tropes that the author chooses. A genre is collection of tropes that became popular.
Often stories have the same genre trope but changes one or two tropes to not remain stale.
For example, you can have stories with netorare genre structure where at the last minute the heroine decides to come back to the MC.
You can have infamous bait-and-switch where a vanilla romance becomes netorare or a vanilla swining becomes netorase.
These are more subversion of the genre because they use a genre structure to tell another genre story.

In my opinion Netorase doesnt have to have the FMC leave the MC. That turns it into Netorare. But the MC does lose her on an emotional level atleast. While cuckold they are still truly together, its just a fetish they both have but are still a proper couple.

 

[Eet_Fuk]

Less arguing more recommendations

 

[_Grotest_]

Due to NTR drought I decided to give another NTR game I've been skipping a try.
Summer sweepers: I was pretty avoidant to this game cuz of trap and gay stuff but from previews it seemed to have straight interactions too, so I gave in. Mine sweeper gameplay with quests is pretty cool and kept me entertained long enough. Loved the NTR mechanics to some extent but corruption was too quick a bit Imo. Scenes were hot but I felt like there was not enough cuz all of them are too spread out across three main fetishes of this game: Sharing, NTR and crossdressing where MC becomes a plaything. I really don't like when games try to include several distinct fetishes in one cuz it ends up fitting the content across all of them too thinly and leaves each fetish fan wishing for more. Overall, it was a decent game but I doubt I'll feel like replaying it even out of boredom 7/10

 

[Klab040855]

It sucks to play Ai chat characters for NTR because every time i try, i get the happy ending because i make the MC just an good guy.

 

[blablablagivemethemoney]

Due to NTR drought I decided to give another NTR game I've been skipping a try.
Summer sweepers: I was pretty avoidant to this game cuz of trap and gay stuff but from previews it seemed to have straight interactions too, so I gave in. Mine sweeper gameplay with quests is pretty cool and kept me entertained long enough. Loved the NTR mechanics to some extent but corruption was too quick a bit Imo. Scenes were hot but I felt like there was not enough cuz all of them are too spread out across three main fetishes of this game: Sharing, NTR and crossdressing where MC becomes a plaything. I really don't like when games try to include several distinct fetishes in one cuz it ends up fitting the content across all of them too thinly and leaves each fetish fan wishing for more. Overall, it was a decent game but I doubt I'll feel like replaying it even out of boredom 7/10 View attachment 5491378

Impy's Summer Sweepers was decent fun, probably the most traditional NTR you'll get from them though. Secrets of the Bastion and Monster Monsoon are also really good (although they're harder and more complex). My personal favourite is Secrets of the Bastion.

The last few 'NTR' games that Impy has made have either 1) pushed NTR to the side a lot more than it already had been in previous games and 2) been really boring/frustrating gameplay loops that don't incorporate NTR mechanics well at all into them

 

[HotwifeEnjoyer]

Due to NTR drought I decided to give another NTR game I've been skipping a try.
Summer sweepers: I was pretty avoidant to this game cuz of trap and gay stuff but from previews it seemed to have straight interactions too, so I gave in. Mine sweeper gameplay with quests is pretty cool and kept me entertained long enough. Loved the NTR mechanics to some extent but corruption was too quick a bit Imo. Scenes were hot but I felt like there was not enough cuz all of them are too spread out across three main fetishes of this game: Sharing, NTR and crossdressing where MC becomes a plaything. I really don't like when games try to include several distinct fetishes in one cuz it ends up fitting the content across all of them too thinly and leaves each fetish fan wishing for more. Overall, it was a decent game but I doubt I'll feel like replaying it even out of boredom 7/10 View attachment 5491378

Ty for your review brother and yea i feel that ive never cared for the sissy/cross dressing stuff in NTR its not for me. glad to hear there is stuff for us but a shame theyre trying to shove so many different fetishes tho may be from the same branch should 100% make a difference in the line.

 

[_Grotest_]

Impy's Summer Sweepers was decent fun, probably the most traditional NTR you'll get from them though. Secrets of the Bastion and Monster Monsoon are also really good (although they're harder and more complex). My personal favourite is Secrets of the Bastion.

The last few 'NTR' games that Impy has made have either 1) pushed NTR to the side a lot more than it already had been in previous games and 2) been really boring/frustrating gameplay loops that don't incorporate NTR mechanics well at all into them

Nice, thanks for your insight, now I know what I'm gonna try for a taste next this evening

 

[zatch766]

Does the art get better later on?

No change in art style, its consistent thoughout and i like this art style a lot.

 

[klefki123]

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anyone have this game?

 

[Zadke]

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anyone have this game?

reading isn't one of yer strengths right lad?