NTR vs Cheating vs Cuckold vs Open-Marriage?

[pengsoo]

Hello, Im just a stranger here.
Well, I didnt care what NTR means at first, but its getting more and more fucking annoying..!
I thought I did know whats different btw Wife's Cheating and Husband's Cuckold (as fetish),
and I thought I am NOT a Cuck or something,
but later I saw what NTR truly is, NTR just messed up my mind as fuck,
like wtf, is it like a Comprehensive Japanese Modern Theory or something?
Now I dont even know what Cheating and Cuckold is, thanks to NTR shit.

Q1. If Hubby knows nothing about Wife's truth(yet we know everything in game), Is it still NTR? I thought It was just a Cheating stuff
Q2. If Hubby knows everything about Wife's truth, by chance or by his hidden camera whatever, but he wont tell her that he knows, is he a cuck or just one enjoying his wife's cheating?
Q3. If Hubby knows everything about Wife's truth and then he told her he saw everything, Is it still NTR stuff? or just a Cuck? or Open-Marriage?

 

[lazymunchlax]

1) It really depends if you consider the Player and the Main Character the same thing. If you do, it's NTR / Cuckolding. If the Playaer see's themself as the MC, they may consider themselves cucked.
2) If he knows and allows it to happen, he's effectively being cucked.
3) It's not an open marriage unless both parties agree to it. If she cheats on him and he finds out, that aint an open marriage. Is he interested in seeing other women or just letting her fuck other guys?

 

[pengsoo]

2) If he knows and allows it to happen, he's effectively being cucked.

oh i think u r right! That is so true, Thanks.
and 3) I think I mostly enjoy "both Cheating", like 'The Adventurous Couple' if you know what it is, but i donno what it calls.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

NTR as a term is probably something that should never have been translated, because it seems super amorphous to a Western audience. TO ME there needs to be some sort of humiliation and non-enjoyment from the injured party. Cuckolding can be enjoyed by the cuck, they can get off to it. A hotwife situation is definitely not NTR because the husband actively enjoys that his wife has sex with other partners (and everything is consensual). Games, and the very complicated relationships between players and the MC, make NTR very difficult to define. One person's cheating fantasy is another person's cuckhold fantasy, and neither may feel the humiliation that I feel is necessary for NTR. The problem is that NTR may not be possible in a game because you can't force someone to play a game, whereas in theory the husband that is experiencing NTR is doing it against his will. The second a player is forced to go through a scene that they don't enjoy, where their MC is being humiliated, they can turn off the game; thus defeating the sense of NTR.

 

[Deleted member 3086194]

NTR as a term is probably something that should never have been translated

I have this sentiment when it comes to almost all of these japanese terms used to describe porn games, such as futa, ryona, guro, ntr, ahego, etc. Like is the english language not good enough? Last I recall we have perfectly accurate descriptions for most of those terms. Or did everyone just collectively decide that porn games were invented in Japan and so we should follow their terminology? /rant

Anyway, from what (little) I know, NTR has two aspects to it; one where you are the person who has their partner stolen from them, and the other where you are the one doing the stealing. Otherwise I agree with the OP, the line between cuck and unknowning cheating can be really vague.

 

[Adabelitoo]

1) If the husband doesn't know, that's just cheating.
2) I would say it depends based on 3 things:
--1) If he knows but doesn't give a shit about it, and by shit I mean that it doesn't make him sad but he also doesn't find it arousing, then it isn't NTR o cuckolding, it's just cheating.
--2) If he knows and finds it exciting/arousing, that's cuckolding.
--3) If he knows and feels bad but doesn't confront her wife or the other guy, usually because the guy is super pathetic, then that could be NTR but NTR usually has the woman choosing the other over his husband in some way, if that happens then I would say NTR, if not then just cheating.
3) If depends on what happens after. Is that marriage still together after the confrontation? Does the wife keeps having sex with the other guy? The husband confronted her, but did he felt bad/troubled about it?

NTR in it's "true form" is kinda hard to get and pretty stupid tbh, but people tends to call everything they don't like that includes another man (rape, cheating, blackmail, sharing, swinging, etc) in the NTR bag so pretty much anything is called NTR these days.

 

[pengsoo]

Games, and the very complicated relationships between players and the MC, make NTR very difficult to define. One person's cheating fantasy is another person's cuckhold fantasy, and neither may feel the humiliation that I feel is necessary for NTR. The problem is that NTR may not be possible in a game because....

Wow.. This is so true.... This is why I felt NTRgame was a big mess. I really should remember this....
One thing I just realized is that, NTR is about "emotion"(personal stuff) like the humiliation u spoke of,
while cuck, cheating, open-marriage are more about "sexual relationship"(social stuff).
Good to know. Cool !!
Now let me find some avoidable-NTR games....xD

 

[Catapo]

The way I see things

Cheating - MC is the one doing the cheating.

Netorare - MC's partner cheats without their knowledge / consent

Netori - MC does it with someone else's partner.

Netorase (Cuckold) - MC's partner cheats with their knowledge. MC gets some sexual satisfaction out of it but it involves elements of jealousy, inadequacy and humiliation.
"The other guy is better than me so I will let him satisfy my wife".

Hotwife - Similar to cuckold but with more positive feelings / alpha mentality
"She is MY attractive wife, MINE, but I GIVE her to you because I WANT to".

Open marriage - both partners find other people with each other's consent.

To answer your questions:
Q1. Depends who the protag is:
Husband - NTR (Netorare)
Wife - Cheating
Q2. Assuming husband is MC it is Netorare evolving into Cuckold because at first the wife cheated without his knowledge.
Q3. Same it is Netorare switching into either cuckold or hotwife depends on husband's mentality.

 

[Obscure]

It's only NTR if the game is intended to hurt your feelings.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

It's only NTR if the game is intended to hurt your feelings.

Thats pretty much sums it up, but people here tend to put themselfs into the shoes of the MC and absolutely ignore the writing of these parts so they end up calling stuff NTR that really isn't because the MC either doesn't mind, is into it, does not have a love relationship with the female character and so on and so on.

 

[Ceadmon]

All absolutely haram. You guy's keep sending me in the direction of god.

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Hi,
if you're not Japanese forget about "ntr" - the only question is:

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All absolutely haram. You guy's keep sending me in the direction of god.

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[Adabelitoo]

It's only NTR if the game is intended to hurt your feelings.

The MC's feelings, not the player's feelings.

If we assume that things are what people think instead of what the author intended, then you open a huge pandora box when The Catcher in the Rye is a book made to kill people and videogames are a tool that the devil uses to get inside us.

 

[rgnar62]

The way I see things

Cheating - MC is the one doing the cheating.

Netorare - MC's partner cheats without their knowledge / consent

Netori - MC does it with someone else's partner.

Netorase (Cuckold) - MC's partner cheats with their knowledge. MC gets some sexual satisfaction out of it but it involves elements of jealousy, inadequacy and humiliation.
"The other guy is better than me so I will let him satisfy my wife".

Hotwife - Similar to cuckold but with more positive feelings / alpha mentality
"She is MY attractive wife, MINE, but I GIVE her to you because I WANT to".

Open marriage - both partners find other people with each other's consent.

To answer your questions:
Q1. Depends who the protag is:
Husband - NTR (Netorare)
Wife - Cheating
Q2. Assuming husband is MC it is Netorare evolving into Cuckold because at first the wife cheated without his knowledge.
Q3. Same it is Netorare switching into either cuckold or hotwife depends on husband's mentality.

The best summary ever.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

NTR isn't even limited to spouses. I think the only requirement is the breaking down of a relationship of some kind (romantic, friendship, familial) because of a "stealer". I consider netorase to be a separate subgenre because it relies on the informed consent of all parties involved.

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[Adabelitoo]

NTR isn't even limited to spouses. I think the only requirement is the breaking down of a relationship of some kind (romantic, friendship, familial) because of a "stealer". I consider netorase to be a separate subgenre because it relies on the informed consent of all parties involved.

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Everything is called NTR these days, but there should be some reason/significant relationship to justify why that would be NTR and not just a man (who isn't the MC) and a woman having sex.

Since you're a cultured man, you probably saw doujins where the MC has a childhood friend or a neighbour and both had a crush for each other for years until a guy fucks and steals the girl from him simply because the MC never had the balls to make a move. Maybe they were in love for each other but it isn't like they were dating or the girl had any reason to be loyal to him. If the girl eventually prefers another man after years of waiting for the MC who never did a move, it's more like "bad luck" than NTR.

Another one is the classic "son loves single/divorced/widow mon who hasn't been with a man for 5-10-15 years". I live for the mom-son doujins but if they never were together and probably the mom never knew about her son's feelings, and the mom eventually meets a man and the son is feeling all defeated and pathetic, it isn't like the woman had any reason why to be loyal to her son or not be with a man to begin with, and it isn't like the son has any right to stop her mother from doing her own life.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Since you're a cultured man, you probably saw doujins where the MC has a childhood friend or a neighbour and both had a crush for each other for years until a guy fucks and steals the girl from him simply because the MC never had the balls to make a move. Maybe they were in love for each other but it isn't like they were dating or the girl had any reason to be loyal to him. If the girl eventually prefers another man after years of waiting for the MC who never did a move, it's more like "bad luck" than NTR.

Yeah, what makes my examples NTR, rather than than just a normal relationship with a third person feeling bummed-out, is the deterioration of the relationship or of the perception of the "stolen" character towards the one who's being NTRed. In my third example, the NTR comes from:

- The "stolen" character choosing to forsake her promise
- The domineering attitude of the "stealer" towards the "stolen" and his scorn for the MC
- The "stolen" character's discovery of her feminine/submissive side at the hands of the "stealer", implying that there won't be any going back to "old times" with her friend. She'll never be quite the same person he grew up with.

Another one is the classic "son loves single/divorced/widow mon who hasn't been with a man for 5-10-15 years". I live for the mom-son doujins but if they never were together and probably the mom never knew about her son's feelings, and the mom eventually meets a man and the son is feeling all defeated and pathetic, it isn't like the woman had any reason why to be loyal to her son or not be with a man to begin with, and it isn't like the son has any right to stop her mother from doing her own life.

That's true. Again, for it to be NTR there has to be something more. Maybe she has a relationship with someone who bullied/tormented the son. Maybe the "stealer" poisons her opinion of her own son. There has to be some kind of betrayal or deterioration of an existing relationship, even if it's not romantic, rather than of a relationship that only exists in the MC's head.

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Hi,
Ok I'll try again - NTR (and all its iterations) is purely a Japanese concept based on Japanese ways to apprehend life and all shit therein.

Japanese people have a mindset extremely difficult to apprehend and comprehend -
their Weltanschauung being made thru Zeitgeist and Weltschmerz (with a large drop of Sake on top of it)

Westerners (white dudes) are once again appropriating a cultural notion they know shit about (like always) and are pissing their pants when it appears in the corner of their screens.

Like someone said above - when a guy romances your single/widow mom (and scores) he's not stealing her from you (unless you were already fucking her)

Westerners (again white dudes) should remain with Cuckold - Cuckoldry - Cuckoldress (I'll even throw in a hotwife if you want)
which is culturally relevant for them. (and if you trust a lot of internet memes the only thing they're good at)

Spoiler: why them?

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So chill out about "ntr" embrace Cuckoldry!

Peace out.

(in case this post is read by an idiot - I'll underscore the fact that it contains a lot of irony and sarcasm)
(with a drop of mockery)
(and a slice of contempt)
(1 ice cube)
(shaken not stirred!)

 

[Ceadmon]

Hi,
Ok I'll try again - NTR (and all its iterations) is purely a Japanese concept based on Japanese ways to apprehend life and all shit therein.

Japanese people have a mindset extremely difficult to apprehend and comprehend -
their Weltanschauung being made thru Zeitgeist and Weltschmerz (with a large drop of Sake on top of it)

Westerners (white dudes) are once again appropriating a cultural notion they know shit about (like always) and are pissing their pants when it appears in the corner of their screens.

Like someone said above - when a guy romances your single/widow mom (and scores) he's not stealing her from you (unless you were already fucking her)

Westerners (again white dudes) should remain with Cuckold - Cuckoldry - Cuckoldress (I'll even throw in a hotwife if you want)
which is culturally relevant for them. (and if you trust a lot of internet memes the only thing they're good at)

Spoiler: why them?

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So chill out about "ntr" embrace Cuckoldry!

Peace out.

(in case this post is read by an idiot - I'll underscore the fact that it contains a lot of irony and sarcasm)
(with a drop of mockery)
(and a slice of contempt)
(1 ice cube)
(shaken not stirred!)

Me: how much hate for the Germanics do you have?
Chelielz: Yes

Honestly, the friking westerners keep misinterpreting everything they touch. For example, in "Hijab tag" they don't even know what a hijab is or how and why it's worn, but they pump out games like "life in the middle east" in which women wear short skirts and a hijab? That's like a Nun dressed in a bikini. Heck, I'd go so far as to say they have no idea where the game is located on the map lol s

Some people believe the Middle East is Saudi Arabia, while others believe it is something else. Worse, many people believe that the entire Middle East is Arab... That's similar to referring to Romans as Vikings. (Actully Germanic cucks would die to claim "we wuz Roman's")

Guess what? I'm working on a novel set in Italy. I'm learning Italian in order to better understand their culture. Though, based on my research, it's clearly not far from mine, so writing a series of stories about it would feel like home, and I could easily use personal experiences to make it fit the Italian way of life.

I also learned the map of Italy and the different regions, discovering Tuscany, Florence, Sicily, and much more. I even went so far as to learn their history, dating back to Roman times, as well as the modern history of currency, food, and beverage. (Did you know that before the euro, they used the Lira?)

Meanwhile, some guy in an Anglo-Germanic colony says, "Hehehe let's download a Hijab prop for free and make a game insulting Muslims we wuz Christians and shit!" He had little idea that the majority of Muslims live outside of the Middle East.

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Me: how much hate for the Germanics do you have?
Chelielz: Yes

Honestly the friking westerners keep misinterpreting anything they put there hand on. For example "Hijab tag" they don't even know shit about hijab or how and why it's worn but they pump out games like "life in the middle east" where women wear short skirts and a hijab?? That's like a Nun wearing a bikini. Heck I would go as far as to say that they don't know where the game is set on the map lol some think the middle east is Saudi Arabia and others think Saudi Arabia is different or some thing. And worse of all people think all the middle east is Arab... that's like calling Roman's Vikings.

I'm writing a story set in Italy and guess what? I'm learning Italian to learn there culture better. Tho from researching it's obviously not far from mine so making a story about it would feel like home and I could easily use personal experiences and make it fit the Italian life style.

I also learned the map of Italy and the different regions and discovered Tuscany, florence, Sicily and much more, heck I even gone as far as to learn there history going back to the roman times and the modern history of currency, food and wine. (Did you know that they used the Lira before the euro?)

Meanwhile some guy in Anglo-Germanic colony "Hehehe let's download a Hijab prop for free and make a game insulting Muslims we wuz Christians and shit!" He doesn't even realise most muslims live outside of the middle east lol.

not really sure why you quoted my post
But I'll clarify my point. (at least I'll try to)

I don't hate anyone for their ethnicity - color - creed - height - weight (hum...) - I admit I may have a difficult time dealing with stupid tho.
(I'm trying really hard to work on that issue)

(but people keep adding new levels of stupidity everyday! (not fair!))