Official petition to remove incest from NTR games.

[deluges]

Mate that's just your preference, everything can be mixed, even stuff like harem and NTR can be mixed in the proper setting such as games that are about protecting your harem from whatever, but then people based on preferences will mix their interpretation and say that "if a game has NTR tag it can't have the harem tag!", but in the end said game could end up being in a perfect harem situation or a perfect NTR situation.

If the point of the critic is that just because a game has a mother or sister shouldn't mean to get the incest tag I can agree, it's necessary that said characters have some sexual attraction/lust for each other. But other than that I can only recommend you to blacklist NTR and seach for incest games since that will probably give you the optimal games to your liking.

Trying to take out tags from games for a subjective reason is pointless and will make life harder for people to find what they want, for example I'm the freaking weirdo that searches games that have both harem and NTR, since I want to win in a game but have some risks and consequences. If that harem purist sect that demands to take the harem tag out of any game that has the NTR tag was heard I would have a lot more difficulty trying to find what i want, same will happen with those that seek NTR+incest.

Your logic isn't flawed, but I view it in more practical terms. You could have a game with every tag known to man in it and all you're going to do is continually piss off most of your subscribers because the content you might actually enjoy in said game isn't given the same priority as some other content. To me, it makes more sense to have a narrower focus to keep more people happy.

 

[verified dick]

I don't bring up my sister, I brought up sister and mother being the familial relationships included in a lot NTR games. I don't care who the MC's sister is fucking either.

That’s not the point. The point is that if you give a shit about your familial relations, then you give a shit about who they’re fucking because that’s how you get new ones. And if you don’t give a shit about relationships, then NTR isn’t for you.

Also, don’t triple post.

 

[deluges]

That’s not the point. The point is that if you give a shit about your familial relations, then you give a shit about who they’re fucking because that’s how you get new ones. And if you don’t give a shit about relationships, then NTR isn’t for you.

Also, don’t triple post.

I don't give a shit about familial relationships. Thought that was pretty evident.

 

[dexter111]

Because that’s how you get new family members.

Depends on what you meant by this:
1) abortion still exists
2) no one really considers someone from the outside a family member just because they're with mother or sister

 

[Doorknob22]

... if I don't want to fuck my sister or mom, why should I care who they are fucking? That's weird and makes no sense....

With respect, I could not disagree more.

IMHO a game/story/AVN about a son who is "betrayed" by his corrupted mother (or sister, etc) makes much more sense to me if the son does not lust after them. In a fatherless family the son (especially if his only/older son) often sees the rest of the females in the family as:

A. Pure and virtuous, devoid of any carnal desires of their own. (My psychological guess here is since the family has already missing one parent, the son needs the other to "stick to their role" more than if two parents are present and functioning.)
B. Under his responsibility, the "man of the house" fantasy.

An NTR AVN/Story kicks both aforementioned assumptions in the balls, hence giving pleasure to the players/readers.

Adding incest-lust into the mix, more often than not makes the already challenging task of creating realistic NTR and Incest scenario, both complex tasks to pull off realistically, collapse under a burden of unrealistic behavior. In other words: it's either a son lusts after his mother story or his mother fucks around story, but combining both elements in a realistic manner will usually create messy results.

 

[desmosome]

With respect, I could not disagree more.

IMHO a game/story/AVN about a son who is "betrayed" by his corrupted mother (or sister, etc) makes much more sense to me if the son does not lust after them. In a fatherless family the son (especially if his only/older son) often sees the rest of the females in the family as:

A. Pure and virtuous, devoid of any carnal desires of their own. (My psychological guess here is since the family has already missing one parent, the son needs the other to "stick to their role" more than if two parents are present and functioning.)
B. Under his responsibility, the "man of the house" fantasy.

An NTR AVN/Story kicks both aforementioned assumptions in the balls, hence giving pleasure to the players/readers.

Adding incest-lust into the mix, more often than not makes the already challenging task of creating realistic NTR and Incest scenario, both complex tasks to pull off realistically, collapse under a burden of unrealistic behavior. In other words: it's either a son lusts after his mother story or his mother fucks around story, but combining both elements in a realistic manner will usually create messy results.

For sure. In that same vein, I personally don't believe in the NTRness of a Chad MC having optional NTR (not whoring out/alpha sharing, but getting shafted with real NTR). Well, both Chad MC and Incest scenarios can include NTRish things, but that kind of story would only work for me if it's not fetishizing the NTR side nor the non-NTR side and just telling a grounded story.

But most stories tend to be quite porny, thus, I need to make up my mind about what kind of narrative I'm navigating. If the general idea is that the MC is, or going to be, some badass/hero/chad/harem collector, picking some choice that lead to his wife/mom/whatever getting corrupted behind his back doesn't jive that well with the overall intention of my playthrough. Similarly, if I'm trying to do an NTR run, but the MC is going through much of the same development of a harem hero, it kind of conflicts with a smooth NTR progression arc.

The set up and story beats that make up the flow of a "hero rising" narrative vs a "NTR corruption arc" are just not really compatible using the same common node plot structure. To do both of them justice, I feel like it would need to be almost 2 entirely separate scripts. If there isn't much of a story in the first place, I guess it doesn't really matter that much though ha.

Anyways, I initially thought the OP was talking about mom NTR in general, like saying mom NTR isn't NTR and is just distracting, but maybe they were talking about literal incest like the male MC lusting after the mom and having a positive incest route in an NTR game? I dunno.

 

[deluges]

With respect, I could not disagree more.

IMHO a game/story/AVN about a son who is "betrayed" by his corrupted mother (or sister, etc) makes much more sense to me if the son does not lust after them. In a fatherless family the son (especially if his only/older son) often sees the rest of the females in the family as:

A. Pure and virtuous, devoid of any carnal desires of their own. (My psychological guess here is since the family has already missing one parent, the son needs the other to "stick to their role" more than if two parents are present and functioning.)
B. Under his responsibility, the "man of the house" fantasy.

An NTR AVN/Story kicks both aforementioned assumptions in the balls, hence giving pleasure to the players/readers.

Adding incest-lust into the mix, more often than not makes the already challenging task of creating realistic NTR and Incest scenario, both complex tasks to pull off realistically, collapse under a burden of unrealistic behavior. In other words: it's either a son lusts after his mother story or his mother fucks around story, but combining both elements in a realistic manner will usually create messy results.

While I absolutely respect what you've laid out, at the end of the day, I don't care about familial relationships being NTR, regardless of how written they are.

If one were to remove the pervy aspects of the MC gatekeeping his family

With respect, I could not disagree more.

IMHO a game/story/AVN about a son who is "betrayed" by his corrupted mother (or sister, etc) makes much more sense to me if the son does not lust after them. In a fatherless family the son (especially if his only/older son) often sees the rest of the females in the family as:

A. Pure and virtuous, devoid of any carnal desires of their own. (My psychological guess here is since the family has already missing one parent, the son needs the other to "stick to their role" more than if two parents are present and functioning.)
B. Under his responsibility, the "man of the house" fantasy.

An NTR AVN/Story kicks both aforementioned assumptions in the balls, hence giving pleasure to the players/readers.

Adding incest-lust into the mix, more often than not makes the already challenging task of creating realistic NTR and Incest scenario, both complex tasks to pull off realistically, collapse under a burden of unrealistic behavior. In other words: it's either a son lusts after his mother story or his mother fucks around story, but combining both elements in a realistic manner will usually create messy results.

Here's the fundamental problem we're having here...we're after two different types of games.

In my NTR games I want a wife or girlfriend being corrupted and cheating on the MC. THIS IS THE ONLY OUTCOME I WANT.

WHAT I DON'T WANT: The wife is being corrupted, but oh noes, someone also to fuck your mom and oh double noes, your sister is about to taste her first black dick. FUCK YOU, WHO CARES? I'm an only child, but I can't image that that is coloring my opinion of this matter that much. I don't hate incest v/n! My issue is it trying to be shoe-horned in when it is absolutely unnecessary.