VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[camube]

Some chances are literally once in a lifetime, and if you blow them, then that's it.

yeah 100%

 

[SerHawkes]

Dev is biased.

More like proned to pandering to the fetishist than actually care about the other characters who have been waiting for content.

Now, supposedly from what EK has said, which should be taken with a grain of salt, that some of the back burner content will be introduced into Chapter 12. Which in practice, should include Ian-Ivy, the Tourney, and likely some other thing. Whether this actually happens or not will be subject for speculation and much heated debated.

For me, I'd like to have hope for Chapter 12, I really would, but considering that path we are on ith the story now, the bullshit lies and hypocrisy that EK says and does, I have no faith. That is unless EK pulls her head out of her ass and finally delivers what I've been waiting and hoping for soon to 4 years now.

 

[Socrambus]

Well, obviously. That's why i said Cindy wouldn't resent it too much as opposed to not resenting it at all.


The same way it makes sense for Cindy to regret what she's done and attempt to pretend things never happened, if Cindy and Ian fuck on that day. People can act very differently when their emotions run high, and when they've had some time to cool down.

At the height of emotions Cindy is much more prone to give in to a wish to be close with someone she feels strong connection with, even if she knows this is morally wrong, than when she's got relatively cool head. Also, in the scenario where Ian isn't there when she's most vulnerable, then this extra bond between them doesn't get to form. He remains a good friend she may have some crush on, but he's (now) also someone who, like everyone else, wasn't there for her when she needed someone. It'd make it quite easier for Cindy to get over this crush, or at least not to act upon it in the future.

Some chances are literally once in a lifetime, and if you blow them, then that's it.

My point is not that it should have happened the exact same way but afterwards if Ian decides to go to the book fair. Kissing first time and inmediately start to passionately fuck in the middle of an alley it's not an everyday ocurrence to say the least. My point is that it doesn't happen out of nowhere, like sex with Emma, there was a buildup, an attraction, passions long denied. And of all of that suddenly dissapears, not only on Cindy but also on Ian's side. And he's not like everyone else that wasn't there for her, that's overdramatizing one event that wasn't even her birthday and erasing all past Ian's support. Look, just imagine a change in the story: Ian is hit by a car a few days before the party and obviously can't go because he's recovering from the injuries. Wouldn't you feel cheated as a player if that meant that Cindy path were closed forever?. I know it's not the same thing because that would be totally outside any player's choice, but not being able to go because of the book fair is also a perfectly fine reason. The game tells you that the party is dependant on Ian, but that's bullshit, without Ian it doesn't happen because of Wade and Perry that behave like they have told to go to the front lines of a war.

And you are right that some things can only happen once out of pure chance. But those are things like randomly meet a stranger because a set of circunstances and getting in love, it wouldn't have happened if you didn't meet them for whatever reason. Even sex with Emma you can reasonably say it wouldn't have happened if that day Ian or her don't go out and are left alone to dance together. Cindy and Ian path could have reasonably continued at a slower pace, similar to Ian and Lena path if you don't take early opportunities.

First of all, I'm not a professional novel critic so plz bear me If I come off as too strong as I maybe too invested in ORS and have certain expectations from Dev that I want character to reach their top potential and used wisely so that why I might be coming as too strong. Secondly, It's alright if you don't agree with me on some points that's totally cool as opinions are subjective and of course we are human, so we will definitely disagree with eachother on some things which is a good thing in order to learn and understand new things/people.

Moving on

It's not a problem, of course you are entitled to your expectations and opinions and we can argue some things or just agree to disagree. It's cool and I also like to read different opinions to mine, it's really useful specially with some kinks that I struggle to even understand their appeal. Doesn't mean that I dislike you or anybody for that, far from it .

Same can be said that it was a potential waste to spend that much time on Stan and Robert even when Dev herself was not in favor of reworking on Stan(still did it) and bringing them up to the par instead of putting that time to use and work on other important to story character which are more close to both MC's. They are not even close enough to MC's. The issue with Marcel is that dude appeared for only 1 time in polls and guess what he got a content in-game. You can clearly see in which direction the Dev is taking the game but the thing is not all characters are that lucky(Yeah I'm talking about Ivy here). Dev is biased.

In a way every author is biased towards their own vision and (likely) the vision of those giving them money. Again, I mostly agree with your tastes, so I would also be happier if some content didn't happen and more attention were given to other characters. But a lot of people disagree with us and it's hard for me to feel entitled to protest when I'm giving no money or even direct feedback to the author and I am just writing in a forum.

 

[Blood-Red Circus]

Thanks for the new version.)
I wish you all the best.)

 

[| Vee |]

My point is not that it should have happened the exact same way but afterwards if Ian decides to go to the book fair. Kissing first time and inmediately start to passionately fuck in the middle of an alley it's not an everyday ocurrence to say the least. My point is that it doesn't happen out of nowhere, like sex with Emma, there was a buildup, an attraction, passions long denied. And of all of that suddenly dissapears, not only on Cindy but also on Ian's side. And he's not like everyone else that wasn't there for her, that's overdramatizing one event that wasn't even her birthday and erasing all past Ian's support. Look, just imagine a change in the story: Ian is hit by a car a few days before the party and obviously can't go because he's recovering from the injuries. Wouldn't you feel cheated as a player if that meant that Cindy path were closed forever?. I know it's not the same thing because that would be totally outside any player's choice, but not being able to go because of the book fair is also a perfectly fine reason. The game tells you that the party is dependant on Ian, but that's bullshit, without Ian it doesn't happen because of Wade and Perry that behave like they have told to go to the front lines of a war.

And you are right that some things can only happen once out of pure chance. But those are things like randomly meet a stranger because a set of circunstances and getting in love, it wouldn't have happened if you didn't meet them for whatever reason. Even sex with Emma you can reasonably say it wouldn't have happened if that day Ian or her don't go out and are left alone to dance together. Cindy and Ian path could have reasonably continued at a slower pace, similar to Ian and Lena path if you don't take early opportunities...

Alright! You raised a damn good point too that the tension between them should've remained and could've been evolve into a more controlled path where Cindy might broke up with Wade and THAN Ian could've an easy chance without making Cindy cheat on Wade or some different/existing path/s unless it is intentionally kept that way by the Dev herself to keep branching/workload minimized. And I agree with you! Also, I believe IanxHolly if Ian didn't went to book fair should've continued too But it is intentionally kept at minimum too and puts Lena more in driving seat by keeping Ian on backfoot again I think it is intentionally kept that way by the Dev herself to keep branching/workload minimized.

 

[DeemLeem12]

THIS IS BULLSHIT! Lena got Marcel's cock before Holly???? Why is Lena such a cock thief? Can't see she there was a budding romance between Marcel and Holly? When Lena held Marcel's cock, she could have directed it towards Holly's pussy, pulling Marcel along the way, but noooo she had to take it to her mouth instead! When will Eva Kiss give Holly the BBC she deserves?

 

[Socrambus]

Alright! You raised a damn good point too that the tension between them should've remained and could've been evolve into a more controlled path where Cindy might broke up with Wade and THAN Ian could've an easy chance without making Cindy cheat on Wade or some different/existing path/s unless it is intentionally kept that way by the Dev herself to keep branching/workload minimized. And I agree with you! Also, I believe IanxHolly if Ian didn't went to book fair should've continued too But it is intentionally kept at minimum too and puts Lena more in driving seat by keeping Ian on backfoot again I think it is intentionally kept that way by the Dev herself to keep branching/workload minimized.

That's the more likely reason, but it looks pretty random to me choosing Cindy and Holly to make the split. I think their only interaction is the card game at Perry's flat if Ian and Holly are dating. Maybe the reason is more clear in future chapters but right now it seems that Cindy/Alison or Cindy/Emma would have been better options to limit branching.

 

[jaybae01]

can lena cheat and cuckold ian?

 

[Xupuzulla]

THIS IS BULLSHIT! Lena got Marcel's cock before Holly???? Why is Lena such a cock thief? Can't see she there was a budding romance between Marcel and Holly? When Lena held Marcel's cock, she could have directed it towards Holly's pussy, pulling Marcel along the way, but noooo she had to take it to her mouth instead! When will Eva Kiss give Holly the BBC she deserves?

I know,right!?
If theres someone in this game who needs to be BLACKED is that nerd Holly.

 

[| Vee |]

can lena cheat and cuckold ian?

Yes

 

[jaybae01]

perfect!! What are the cheating routes for Lena

 

[| Vee |]

I noticed one thing, Jeremy had to be the one bragging about scoring with Lena to Marcel that's why Marcel knew about BBC fantasy of Lena on that path unless Marcel was standing behind them all when Lena tells her fantasies on Ivy's birthday. Right? What are chances that Jeremy bragged about scoring with Lena? I would say 100%

 

[| Vee |]

perfect!! What are the cheating routes for Lena

Apparently she can get with Every male character including Jack from GGGB which is cameo character but included in main storyline according to script except Ed. You can check Walkthrough for that as I'm not playing Lena's slut route(cheating routes falls into this route). Also cuckold path is not fully developed but she can just deny sex and tease about other guys as of now iirc.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I noticed one thing, Jeremy had to be the one bragging about scoring with Lena to Marcel that's why Marcel knew about BBC fantasy of Lena on that path unless Marcel was standing behind them all when Lena tells her fantasies on Ivy's birthday. Right? What are chances that Jeremy bragged about scoring with Lena? I would say 100%

Maybe you main girl Ivy told Marcel...

 

[Socrambus]

I noticed one thing, Jeremy had to be the one bragging about scoring with Lena to Marcel that's why Marcel knew about BBC fantasy of Lena on that path unless Marcel was standing behind them all when Lena tells her fantasies on Ivy's birthday. Right? What are chances that Jeremy bragged about scoring with Lena? I would say 100%

I think the variable used is Lena's fantasying about big cocks being revealed during Ivy's birthday party.

 

[camube]

Is the Allison Emma Club Choice the make-or-break for Allison work trip?

if Ian didn't choose Allison there, then Allison doesn't invite Ian to work trip?

 

[| Vee |]

Is the Allison Emma Club Choice the make-or-break for Allison work trip?

if Ian didn't choose Allison there, then Allison doesn't invite Ian to work trip?

NO, Alison will invite Ian on trip but for threesome with Jeremy if you choose Emma in club even if you were full on Alison path till that choice. And if Ian does not go on trip for threesome than Alison will have threesome with Jeremy and Billy.

 

[ffive]

And you are right that some things can only happen once out of pure chance. But those are things like randomly meet a stranger because a set of circunstances and getting in love, it wouldn't have happened if you didn't meet them for whatever reason. Even sex with Emma you can reasonably say it wouldn't have happened if that day Ian or her don't go out and are left alone to dance together. Cindy and Ian path could have reasonably continued at a slower pace, similar to Ian and Lena path if you don't take early opportunities.

In my experience sometimes even a seemingly small thing a person would do (or not do) can irrevocably change someone's perception of that person, and their attitude towards a relationship. So, this difference between Ian being there and not being there determining whether these two get together at all, i can totally buy it.

Mind you, am not saying this is the only possible outcome for such scenario. But imo such outcome is plausible, meaning Ian/Cindy not getting together otherwise isn't in my eyes "bad writing" but, at best, "it's different from how i'd like the story to play out". And that's a big difference. It's similar to how i'd prefer for Lena to get a late option to get out of her Axel doom-spiral, but if she doesn't then i won't really view it as bad writing, because such scenario makes sense for the characters, too.

 

[verdun01]

After the epic Good Girl Gone Bad this is so bland in comparison.

 

[Socrambus]

In my experience sometimes even a seemingly small thing a person would do (or not do) can irrevocably change someone's perception of that person, and their attitude towards a relationship. So, this difference between Ian being there and not being there determining whether these two get together at all, i can totally buy it.

Mind you, am not saying this is the only possible outcome for such scenario. But imo such outcome is plausible, meaning Ian/Cindy not getting together otherwise isn't in my eyes "bad writing" but, at best, "it's different from how i'd like the story to play out". And that's a big difference. It's similar to how i'd prefer for Lena to get a late option to get out of her Axel doom-spiral, but if she doesn't then i won't really view it as bad writing, because such scenario makes sense for the characters, too.

I see it differently, IMO most of the time that logic of "if I had just done that" or "if I has just said that" comes after the facts and usually when you are thinking why it went wrong. To me that's an oversimplification of people's behaviour and motivations, but it's a very common and present narrative that you can clearly see when people talk about "what ifs" for single historical events or overestimate the importance of the actions of one important historical guy over all the stuff going on in the background and the myriad of things building up leading to the final result. I am quite skeptical of the "one chance" or "destiny" narratives.

But, leaving that aside. My main problem with the writing is not the final result (Ian and Cindy not happening), it's the inconsistency on Cindy's reaction to the same thing depending if you go to the book fair or not and the writing, or rather lack of writing, leading to that final result. If you choose to go with Holly, everything related to your previous interactions with Cindy suddenly dissapears and that's specially jarring on Ian's side of things. There's not even a follow up with Ian asking about how the birthday went and there's no more Ian showing attraction for Cindy when he had just been wanking to her photos literally a few days before. The game uses an "if-else" programming logic, not real person logic.

Also again, the split between Cindy's path and other LI's path could have been done so much better (in writing terms and limiting branching terms) if Ian doesn't go to the party because he goes on a sex weekend with Alison. Maybe even better, if he doesn't go because he is invited by Emma to go to the political march and he accepts, potentially opening up a "dating" path with Emma and even a possible future conflict with Seymour. It would have fleshed out more Ian and Emma relationship and deepen Ian's political position making it easier in future chapters to link Ian's story with the upcoming mayor election.