VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[lorkdubo]

Ok, let me start by saying that I've never been cheated on (as far as I know) neither have I ever cheated on the context of a monogamous boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. So I apologize in advance if my opinion feels thoughtless to those of you who might have been hurt by cheating, that's not my intent.

I don't think cheating is justified, it's wrong. My point is that not all kinds of cheating are equally wrong. Human relationships are complex and sometimes the end of a relationship kind of blends into the start of another one. That's specially true for people afraid of being alone (not my case), they might find very difficult to end a relationship without the prospect of a new one. That prospect new relationship meaning there has already been sex with the new person or not, I consider it cheating anyway and don't think that the sex makes such a big difference (which was my point for the Ian/Cindy thing). Also the soon to be ex it's going to be hurt by the ending of the relationship and (probably) the start of the new one wether there was sex before the breakup (assuming they are aware, it they don't it's kind of a victimless crime) or not.

So yes, cheating is a bad thing, but just as many other bad things we somethimes do during our lifes, it doesn't mean that we are going to do them again in different circunstances. Just as someone never cheating on the past, doesn't mean they will never cheat in any possible future situation.

I kinda see the angle you are going for. There can be an emotional connection with someone even if you are in a bad relationship or a bad marriage. That one thing that helps you breathe a little easier in the person with the bad relationship/marriage. The problem there lies in deceiving or breaking of trust, if there is no need for deceiving or there is no trust in the relationship and the relationship is irrecoverable, and just waiting for it to end. Then we don't consider that cheating.
But, we can consider Ian/Gillian was not this case.

 

[| Vee |]

Ok, let me start by saying that I've never been cheated on (as far as I know) neither have I ever cheated on the context of a monogamous boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. So I apologize in advance if my opinion feels thoughtless to those of you who might have been hurt by cheating, that's not my intent.

I don't think cheating is justified, it's wrong. My point is that not all kinds of cheating are equally wrong. Human relationships are complex and sometimes the end of a relationship kind of blends into the start of another one. That's specially true for people afraid of being alone (not my case), they might find very difficult to end a relationship without the prospect of a new one. That prospect new relationship meaning there has already been sex with the new person or not, I consider it cheating anyway and don't think that the sex makes such a big difference (which was my point for the Ian/Cindy thing). Also the soon to be ex it's going to be hurt by the ending of the relationship and (probably) the start of the new one wether there was sex before the breakup (assuming they are aware, it they don't it's kind of a victimless crime) or not.

So yes, cheating is a bad thing, but just as many other bad things we somethimes do during our lifes, it doesn't mean that we are going to do them again in different circunstances. Just as someone never cheating on the past, doesn't mean they will never cheat in any possible future situation.

I know bud that you don't appreciate cheating too as you said it in previous post and Absolutely we are not hurt by your any opinion as you choose words carefully. I'm glad that we understand eachother. And I do agree with "that not all kinds of cheating are equally wrong" but I would extend it further to keep transparency "that not all kinds of cheating is equally wrong but every kind of cheating is wrong". Using your previous example of "cheating on your partner with someone who is going to be your next relationship than cheating on your partner with several people without any intention of breaking up your relationship" the latter scenario of continuously cheating with the intention of never leaving is more wrong as the said person is breaking/exploiting the trust and humiliating the bond between his/her/anything in-between partner over and over. As humans are complex creatures and I remember reading summary of a research in which some people said that physical infidelity is unforgivable, some said emotional infidelity is more wrong, and some said both while some were saying that both do not matter. That's why I mentioned that communication is the key.

It's all just for healthy discussion. Peace!

 

[Socrambus]

I kinda see the angle you are going for. There can be an emotional connection with someone even if you are in a bad relationship or a bad marriage. That one thing that helps you breathe a little easier in the person with the bad relationship/marriage. The problem there lies in deceiving or breaking of trust, if there is no need for deceiving or there is no trust in the relationship and the relationship is irrecoverable, and just waiting for it to end. Then we don't consider that cheating.
But, we can consider Ian/Gillian was not this case.

I might be forgetting it but I don't think we are told why Gillian cheated on Ian instead of breaking up before or just continuing the relationship without any cheating, so I'm not sure what was exactly the case besides Ian loving her very much. Gilliam admits her blame and thinks of the cheating as a mistake, that in addition to her still being in a relationship with the same guy she cheated on Ian makes it difficult for me to think of her as a bad person or a whore who will cheat again on whoever that guy is.

 

[yuvce]

Is not too late to hop on to a better love story,the Alison route.

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[dontcarewhateverno]

I'm fine with cheating/ntr in most games because they are not real and even then it hurts a little when i make that decision but in real life, if you cheat on your partner who really loves you and does a lot for you, then you are basically scum and you dont value other people's feelings at all.

Same. I actually prefer certain types of NTR in many games. Real life is an absolutely different story. Part of the reason for games/porn is the fantasy & playing out things you wouldn't normally do or approve of.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Considering that the majority of Patreon subscribers are BBC addicts, have a cuck fetish and still consider Cindy to be the best girl in the game, I think it's crazy to think that there will be a way for Cindy to be faithful. Tyrone might even be in that yatch and have an affair with her lol

Nah... I don't thing Eva would ever do something like th- [Chapter 12 happens]..
"Hello. And welcome to the SS Tyrone. I'm Captain Jamal and this is First Mate Malik- oh. Please forgive me. May I take your coat, Ma'am"
'Oh! Um, yes. That would be gr-'
"Ensign DeMarcus! Would you please extend your penis so that the lady may have something to hang her coat on?"
'Well, I'm currently steering the boat with it, boss. Can it wai-'
"Ensign DeMarcus!!"
'Oh, Okay'.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

"Hello. And welcome to the SS Tyrone. I'm Captain Jamal and this is First Mate Malik- oh. Please forgive me. May I take your coat, Ma'am"

I would not be surprised if that boat becomes a BBC party. You just can fucking see it happening, her patrons just want another GGGB. I was okay with Jessica's role in ORS it was like a really decent fan service and easter egg. In my shitty opinion GGGB cameos should have stopped with her.

I just wish EK will let Ian punch people again before feeding Lena to the bulls.

 

[yuvce]

I would not be surprised if that boat becomes a BBC party. You just can fucking see it happening, her patrons just want another GGGB. I was okay with Jessica's role in ORS it was like a really decent fan service and easter egg. In my shitty opinion GGGB cameos should have stopped with her.

I just wish EK will let Ian punch people again before feeding Lena to the bulls.

It's not a shitty opinion. It's one thing bringing Mark and the landwhale back as cameos, but bringing back Jack opens a can of worms. And I fear that as long as the GGGB cucks keep paying her, then she'll keep pandering to them at the detriment of the story.

 

[ffive]

I would not be surprised if that boat becomes a BBC party.

I'd expect Billy's "photo session" to become that, actually. With him being Jeremy's friend, and i think these two can potentially have a threesome with Alison, if Ian doesn't get involved?

I just don't really see Axel as the type to tolerate even a thought of another guy fucking "his" girl, much less an actual BBC gang-bang in his presence.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Meh. I'm really just kidding around and I highly doubt Cindy will be boarding the SS BBC in chapter 12 or probably in the game at all. Though Axel may be another matter entirely if you make the wrong decisions. It's a game of lots of multi-paths and you can easily avoid the ones that aren't for you. The fact that a path exists shouldn't bother anyone when they can ignore it. After all, paths any of us play might not be someone else's thing either and what right would they have to cancel the one you're into.

If paths narrowed to the extent that no-matter-what you choose on that path it turns into a bad (for you) outcome, that would be different. But I haven't really seen Eva go that way yet. Am I personally disappointed in the way a sub-path or two are turning out? Sure. But there are still other decent main paths in those same relationships even if the exact specifics aren't to my liking and there are just way too many possibilities to please us all completely. One of the tensions of having such a broadly-focused game.

 

[yuvce]

I just don't really see Axel as the type to tolerate even a thought of another guy fucking "his" girl, much less an actual BBC gang-bang in his presence.

The girl he considers as "his" girl is Lena. He either won't move on from her or can't. Idk which it is at this point. I think Cindy and Cherry are nothing to him, even though I do think he does want to fuck Cindy and probably will regardless (...thanks Eva). But you're right about Axel not tolerating someone fucking 'his" girl, hence why he loses his shit if Ian comes clean.

 

[Blurpee69]

I feel like I'm blanking on an event somewhere. We know that the major events for three of the next four chapters are mostly going to include the vacation to Perry's beach house, Billy's photoshoot, and the MMA tournament. Since the photoshoot is basically exclusive to Lena and the MMA tournament is pretty exclusive to Ian I could see these two happening in the same chapter. We're still waiting on the results of Ian's writting competition, and recently introduced is Lena's music competition, which again these two could probably be combined to form a chapter's worth of plot.

Smaller subplots that can be resolved or sprinkled in throughout these upcoming chapters: anything involving wildcats, Lena dancing at the club, another civic center event, the results of Ian's recommendations for publication, the mystery surrounding the homeless man, potentially Holly and Robert.

So what am I forgetting that can fill in chapter 15? Assuming that chapter 16 will be the wrap-up chapter now.

 

[ffive]

The girl he considers as "his" girl is Lena.

It's not as if guys ever get possessive about only single girl, especially the self-proclaimed chads. He shows enough interest in Cindy to safely presume he'd be writing angry diatribes in this thread about EK cucking him if anything remotely sexual happened between Cindy and some other guy, especially in his presence.

 

[ffive]

So what am I forgetting that can fill in chapter 15?

A BBC orgy, obviously, the thing that everyone wants -- GGGB fans for reasons, and haters to complain about how low EK has fallen. /s

More seriously though, some of these events (like the MMA tournament) probably won't be resolved in one go. IIRC it's mentioned it's just regional preliminaries at first, so there most likely will be some followup.

 

[zoomzoomzoom]

and I highly doubt Cindy will be boarding the SS BBC in chapter 12 or probably in the game at all. Though Axel may be another matter entirely if you make the wrong decisions.

BBC Ship is Billy's brainchild meanwhile(from what I understand) blondie's trip is from corporate.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Billy is so sketchy,i think hes full of shit.
The fact Ivy is all in on his project makes everything more sketchy.
Some BS is going to happen in that photoshoot.

 

[Socrambus]

How do you think we are going to watch the Wildcats thing as players?. Lena is not going and Ian going with Cindy doesn't seem very likely. So, will Eva continue to play with rumours and hearsay from Axel and Ivy and us as players not knowking exactly was going on with Cindy?. Or will we see some video/photos (maybe Axel send them to Ian to hurt him in case of being enemies)?.

 

[lorkdubo]

How do you think we are going to watch the Wildcats thing as players?. Lena is not going and Ian going with Cindy doesn't seem very likely. So, will Eva continue to play with rumours and hearsay from Axel and Ivy and us as players not knowking exactly was going on with Cindy?. Or will we see some video/photos (maybe Axel send them to Ian to hurt him in case of being enemies)?.

Maybe from Ivy? It's going to be a huge fuck up. 100% guarantee. Cindy is way too basic and amateurish and the whole event and company smells like shit. The same as billy's event.

 

[| Vee |]

How do you think we are going to watch the Wildcats thing as players?. Lena is not going and Ian going with Cindy doesn't seem very likely. So, will Eva continue to play with rumours and hearsay from Axel and Ivy and us as players not knowking exactly was going on with Cindy?. Or will we see some video/photos (maybe Axel send them to Ian to hurt him in case of being enemies)?.

IF THAT HAPPENS than Ivy can be one, Axel will avoid any evidence as not to piss off Lena especially after he told Lena "But I don't want Cindy" bullshit otherwise I don't see a way.

 

[| Vee |]

Billy is so sketchy,i think hes full of shit.
The fact Ivy is all in on his project makes everything more sketchy.
Some BS is going to happen in that photoshoot.

The reason of Ivy being on-board is believable as Ivy is pissed on Cindy and Axel and Billy is proposing a "Potentially beneficial deal" But knowing EK things are going to get messy. Makes me wonder how much messy.