VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12.3 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Socrambus]

Also I kind of just realized that Eva seems to have a strong opinion on how often women really love to feel dominated during sex even if they don't really give that vibe before the fact. It came to me with Emma's scenes but it is a predominant theme on Lena's story and something also shared by Cherry, Alison and Louise. So far only Holly and Cindy are not clearly showing this and in Holly's case it feels more related to her almost being a virgin, while it seems pretty likely that Axel will show us that Cindy also really likes it despite appearances.

Now, I'm not complaining as even if I'm not into BDSM myself is also a kink I share women being made submissive during sex by a strong man. But while I don't think that women loving it is that uncommon, I also don't think that all women love it (secretly or openly).

 

[fatpussy123]

I was very disappointed by that. Why would the romance path with Holly have less scenes with her? Well thanks I will try again to get it. Maybe that scene will be added with the next update for the romance path

I think it is a bug because there is no reason for that scene not to play, the scene literally builds up to them having sex and then it just ends, hopefully gets added in the beta.

Also it might only happen if Holly kissed Lena while dating Ian. That is also a stat active on my playthrough.

 

[MixQQ]

How?
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Holly route, she has 4-5 scenes in this update

 

[BlandChili]

Also I kind of just realized that Eva seems to have a strong opinion on how often women really love to feel dominated during sex even if they don't really give that vibe before the fact. It came to me with Emma's scenes but it is a predominant theme on Lena's story and something also shared by Cherry, Alison and Louise. So far only Holly and Cindy are not clearly showing this and in Holly's case it feels more related to her almost being a virgin, while it seems pretty likely that Axel will show us that Cindy also really likes it despite appearances.

Now, I'm not complaining as even if I'm not into BDSM myself is also a kink I share women being made submissive during sex by a strong man. But while I don't think that women loving it is that uncommon, I also don't think that all women love it (secretly or openly).

Women are people, people are varied, putting anyone into boxes generalising them as a whole is always wrong.

Now, when it comes to porn I would assume that it's a safe bet to go for portrayals of submissive women, regardless of how different we are it's just a fact that society has historically put emphasis on submissive traits for women and therefore if they do not express these traits it is often conflated with emasculation of the male partner.

Obviously that is silly on the surface of things, but I do not fault the makers of porn for following these norms. They are selling sex as a product and you make the product that the most people would want.

Ian can still be on the cuck route and Ivy seems like she would be a less submissive partner when we finally get around to her content with Ian, so the opposite isn't completely absent from the game.

 

[ffive]

and Ivy seems like she would be a less submissive partner when we finally get around to her content with Ian

It seems even Ivy appreciates partner who is dominant with her, given how positively she reacts to him potentially winning their spar, and his demands during the texting session in this update.

 

[BlandChili]

It seems even Ivy appreciates partner who is dominant with her, given how positively she reacts to him potentially winning their spar, and his demands during the texting session in this update.

That's true, though given the banter between them I was sort of hoping for more of a switch vibe with their pairing. It would be kinda nice if Ian had a partner where he could just have a "let her take charge" attitude without it defaulting to cuckoldry.

 

[varpep]

I would like to report a bug. It is a continuation of one I have reported before. In my current playthrough I made Holly Ivy's pet and Lena joined in on the threesome in the bathroom with Ivy and Holly. Holly and Lena have a talk about it and agree it was not a problem even if Lena is dating Ian. Yet at the end of Chapter 11 Lena mentions a kiss she shared with Holly which never happened on this playthrough. This led me to believe I was on the trouple path even if Lena and Holly had not confessed their feelings for eachbother. And my suspicion was affirmed this update. Holly tells Ian that her and Lena shared a kiss even though this never happened. And Lena says the same thing in an inner monologue. I'm not against this outcome it's just that it does not feel like a natural progression of things due to the bringing up of events that did not happen. I would report this on patreon but I'm not a subscriber so I anyone can let Eva know, that would be appreciated. Thanks.

 

[seaoflove]

Who is more likely to fuck Emma?

Perry vs Emma's Dog

Let the debate begin!

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Ian can still be on the cuck route and Ivy seems like she would be a less submissive partner when we finally get around to her content with Ian, so the opposite isn't completely absent from the game.

That prediction would be a reinforcement of the trope, not in defiance of it.

"they all love aggressive guys"/"the guys all love submissive girls" is perfectly consistent with a doormat Ian getting bossed around by Ivy (read - her not really attracted). There hasn't been a single instance in the game where that kind of behavior (deviation from the aggressive male = attract / submissive girl = attract) is encouraged or normalized.

That's true, though given the banter between them I was sort of hoping for more of a switch vibe with their pairing. It would be kinda nice if Ian had a partner where he could just have a "let her take charge" attitude without it defaulting to cuckoldry.

I totally agree and would love to see that, but I don't think this will ever be seen in games by this author.

IMHO it doesn't help that evakiss has strong 'bully','cheating','BBC' fetishes/interests; as any of those things can't really exist simultaneously next to stories where a girl is anything but a docile little creature and other guys aren't just positions on an alpha litmus test. A character like Axel or Marcel has little use in a universe where the women prefer gentle or submissive men.

 

[varpep]

What are the conditions to get the first option?

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[ffive]

What are the conditions to get the first option?

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Can't be involved with Cindy or Alison.

 

[ssha]

can someone share part 11 saves?

 

[varpep]

Can't be involved with Cindy or Alison.

Welp I just fucked my reluctant Ian falling in love with Lena playthrough

 

[BlandChili]

IMHO it doesn't help that evakiss has strong 'bully','cheating','BBC' fetishes/interests; as any of those things can't really exist simultaneously next to stories where a girl is anything but a docile little creature and other guys aren't just positions on an alpha litmus test. A character like Axel or Marcel has little use in a universe where the women prefer gentle or submissive men.

I would agree, I think EvaKiss has done some interesting things that are perhaps a bit outside of her own fetishes but I've always had the impression that she's a comfort creature and prefers to make content she enjoys personally.

I wouldn't think it that hard to make some malesub material and keep it tasteful, but I guess it all depends on the willingness of the creator and EvaKiss has gotten flak when she became adventurous before like with Jasmine in GGGB.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Apologies for the delay...the thread stoppage, then regular life got in the way...
but as I said before, Axel and Cindy...on a yacht....perhaps with other dom/sub matches
(maybe Seymour/Lena?*) ..... but of course the overall dom...and owner/supplier of the yacht would be Agnes...
Vacation destination? I suppose the Canary Islands or Tenerife....if Cindy needed to be told something.

But so often the destination is unimportant...it is the journey that matters. I believe the question came up of how Cindy would be handled. I really do not know...but her stature and nature...combined with that of Axel's and Agnes' implies a rather thick stainless steel bar (rounded at the ends) and a large dewar of liquid nitrogen. If that occurs, the destination could, of course, no longer be the Canary Islands. It could still be Tenerife, but Algeria would be more convenient and just as suitable (as would anywhere else on the Barbary Coast).

*I think it would be more erotic to keep Lena and Cindy on separate encounter paths. I think we disagree on this point, but that is, of course, why game trees branch. This also allows me to sample your desires as a snack and for you to sample mine should you wish.

Your response was so delayed Cindy must be pregnant by now

 

[varpep]

can someone share part 11 saves?

I just have one playthrough though.

 

[Rickster82]

How?
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Is this Holly? Looks so different.

 

[gregers]

Since some people were arguing over Lena's background, it might be worth noting that it varies according to her stat line:

If she's all in on StalkFap or her Lust is higher than her Wits (or she's doing StalkFap a bit and the two stats are tied) she'll have slept around a fair bit.

Else if her Charisma is higher than her Wits she'll have had a handful of teen relationships that didn't amount to much.

Else if none of the above applies she'll have had two previous relationships.

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[John Doe Jr.]

it was pure luck, in the guide they don't explain how to win by knockout. I have to experiment until I find a combination, the trick is to read the text in the middle of the combat and use the counterattack at the right moment.

Same. I got lucky my first time playing through and got a KO but now I can't seem to do it again lol

 

[Socrambus]

My take on Ian vs Lena in Slut Streak:

1. First of all, both MC's can be played however the player wants them to be, meaning both have slut streaks they can reach but their Slut streak reach(how many people they bag) and how quickly they succumb to it depends on my second point.
2. Secondly, Lena has more sexual experience than Ian. Ian has been only with Gillian(Chameleon) IIRC. and after her 4 years break. While Lena has many relationships and experience from them. What Lena may feel is normal in sex may not be so normal for Ian. But it's due to that experience of Lena is that she can easily go ahead in Slut Streak than Ian. Give Ian some time( a chapter or two) and you will notice him getting more promiscuous overtime.

This is all to it. You can see in this prologue how Ian becomes more bold(should've happened in previous chapter - yeah I'm talking about LenaxIanxLouise Threesome after knowing Lena was and is baging Louise continuously but better late than never).

IIRC 4 years was the duration of Ian and Gillian relationship, it's been about a year after their break up at the beginning of the game. Also, is it canon Gillian being Ian's only sexual partner at the start of the game?. I don't remember, but it would be pretty sad if it is. Even Perry had groupies back in their high-school band days.

Women are people, people are varied, putting anyone into boxes generalising them as a whole is always wrong.

Now, when it comes to porn I would assume that it's a safe bet to go for portrayals of submissive women, regardless of how different we are it's just a fact that society has historically put emphasis on submissive traits for women and therefore if they do not express these traits it is often conflated with emasculation of the male partner.

Obviously that is silly on the surface of things, but I do not fault the makers of porn for following these norms. They are selling sex as a product and you make the product that the most people would want.

Ian can still be on the cuck route and Ivy seems like she would be a less submissive partner when we finally get around to her content with Ian, so the opposite isn't completely absent from the game.

That's true, though given the banter between them I was sort of hoping for more of a switch vibe with their pairing. It would be kinda nice if Ian had a partner where he could just have a "let her take charge" attitude without it defaulting to cuckoldry.

Of course,generalising and just generally labelling people is wrong. I meant that in my personal experience (direct or indirect) most women don't secretly want to be sexually dominated. As I said, I'm not complaining about that particular fetish, just that, as you said, there's a wide range of attitudes between submissive woman and cuckoldry and that plenty of people can have even different attitudes depending on the situation and even for the sake of variety. I saw Emma more like a passionate girl with a non-passive attitude during sex (not everything has to be about one of the partners being dominant) and that she secretly seems to love being dominated made me thing of how much that is a prevalent thing for Eva.

It seems even Ivy appreciates partner who is dominant with her, given how positively she reacts to him potentially winning their spar, and his demands during the texting session in this update.

Ivy seems to go for the traditional provider male trope. She also seems to like Billy who probably won't be able to phisically submit her but is rich. She also seems to value strenght in people and considers feelings a weakness. But she's first and foremost a manipulator, it's not clear to me that she would love really submitting to anyone. In a way, she's kind of a young female version of Seymour.