VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 12 BETA] [Eva Kiss]

[CoalPhelps]

Yh Kotor and jade empire and origins are goats lol and me2 too

KOTOR is a straightforward fairy tale story in the style of the original trilogy. There's a chosen one, he takes the standard monomythic hero path for the second time in his life and defeats the antagonist. I love KOTOR, but the plot here is pretty simple and uncomplicated, not that it raises any themes. But KOTOR 2, on the other hand, is a pretty mature story with philosophical reflections on the nature of conflict, culture, etc.

Jade Empire is also quite simple, but that's more due to the chosen setting. The Eastern school of philosophy puts the content above the form, so it looks very superficial.

I agree with Origins, no complaints here, strong near-medieval setting and multidimensional plot.

 

[XXXVAA]

I didn't get the idea Emma was this buffed. I thought she was more chubby, like the RL model she's based on (Abella Danger).

i mean she's not one of those steroid women with 5% body fat, but she's far from chubby.

 

[BloodyMares]

If you knew how to write you wouldn't be writing vidya or porn, idiot.

So because writing is one's passion, they have to deny their other passions such as games, cinema, or, indeed, porn to fit some made up standard that talented writers solely work on books? In fact, I'd say books are the easiest medium to write for, because there are no limits on length, number of chapters and you can take as much time writing it as you'd like, and there's no interactivity to worry about.

Need some expert help, what are those two scenes?

The first is Lena, you can see her body and how she holds the phone in her hand.

The second is Holly, I think it's just a photo in the phone. But what?

1) Lena masturbates to BBC porn. You have to trigger her BBC kink by first spying on Jeremy and Louise in Chapter 3 and focusing on Jeremy's dick. Then, in Chapter 6, when Louise calls and tells that she left her phone at home, hack it to see more pictures of Louise and Jeremy. In Chapter 7, you have to not go to Ivy's place after Blazer (either make Louise break up with Jeremy so Lena doesn't get an option, or you'll have to refuse drugs to be able to refuse and go home instead). And so the next morning Lena will masturbate to BBC porn and you'll be able to unlock that scene.

2) Holly sends a nude selfie to Ian. You need to start dating her. For that, go to the book fair with her, don't be in love with Lena, and go all the way. In Chapter 8, tell Holly that you're not rejecting her and would like to see where it goes. In Chapter 9 Holly will text Ian and send her sexy selfies to him.

 

[Ragnar]

So because writing is one's passion, they have to deny their other passions such as games, cinema, or, indeed, porn to fit some made up standard that talented writers solely work on books?

Stop putting words in my mouth, obviously I was talking about the average product. You can write whatever you want.

In fact, I'd say books are the easiest medium to write for, because there are no limits on length, number of chapters and you can take as much time writing it as you'd like, and there's no interactivity to worry about.

Yeah, writing a comic or a movie scene is 100 times more complex than writing a book Many writers from videogames have tried to write books at some point but somehow those books tend to suck dick big time

 

[Echbert]

Don't get me wrong some games can have a good story, Evakiss first game has some good routes but ORS is just a soap opera.
If you want good narrative and stories, books > tv-movies > comics > games.

That's such an Book-Elitest way of looking at it. Each medium is able to tell stories differently, and none are better than the others. Sure an argument can be made, There are more Good books than the other mediums, because Society has been writing books for literal centuries, but a Game, Movie, Tv, Comic can all have narratives that are just as good as some of the best literature out there, it will just be conveyed differently. I.e. Games are interactive-Audio-Visual experiences, most often the ones with the best narrative take full advantage of all of that, and craft an "experience".

KOTOR is a straightforward fairy tale story in the style of the original trilogy. There's a chosen one, he takes the standard monomythic hero path for the second time in his life and defeats the antagonist. I love KOTOR, but the plot here is pretty simple and uncomplicated, not that it raises any themes. But KOTOR 2, on the other hand, is a pretty mature story with philosophical reflections on the nature of conflict, culture, etc.

Jade Empire is also quite simple, but that's more due to the chosen setting. The Eastern school of philosophy puts the content above the form, so it looks very superficial.

I agree with Origins, no complaints here, strong near-medieval setting and multidimensional plot.

Horrible ass pacing though. Game focused way too much on long-ass dungeons.

 

[dobzzz]

KOTOR is a straightforward fairy tale story in the style of the original trilogy. There's a chosen one, he takes the standard monomythic hero path for the second time in his life and defeats the antagonist. I love KOTOR, but the plot here is pretty simple and uncomplicated, not that it raises any themes. But KOTOR 2, on the other hand, is a pretty mature story with philosophical reflections on the nature of conflict, culture, etc.

Jade Empire is also quite simple, but that's more due to the chosen setting. The Eastern school of philosophy puts the content above the form, so it looks very superficial.

I agree with Origins, no complaints here, strong near-medieval setting and multidimensional plot.

Well agree jade empire n Kotor might have a straightforward plot but an rpg is about choices and how that the protagonist also react to the situation also matters like u can play as an asshole or as a good guy and down forget the plot twist in Kotor and a lotta of game have in depth lore things that happened before the events of the game like skyrim, witcher and mass effect etc are such games

 

[BloodyMares]

Stop putting words in my mouth, obviously I was talking about the average product. You can write whatever you want.

Yeah, writing a comic or a movie scene is 100 times more complex than writing a book Many writers from videogames have tried to write books at some point but somehow those books tend to suck dick big time

Define average then. In my understanding, on average, the writing quality of everything mainstream, be it books, songs, comic books, films or games, is, well, average. It doesn't mean that good writers don't bother with anything "less" than books, but it means that popular products with good writing are freaking rare. You're just biased towards books and don't respect writers in cinematography or gaming industry.

A movie/series has runtime. If your script is too long, some story elements end up on a cutting block and it can take away from the enjoyment of the story. Talented scriptwriters are aware of that, and write in a way that would be ideal for a 2-hour movie, or a 10/13-episode series. And role-playing games with player choice have to account for many storylines that can diverge because of player's action. Regular book writers never have to worry about such thing as player agency. Even simple games' narratives can be brilliant by blending storytelling with player experience, connecting the story with game mechanics through ludonarrative.

But sure, "writing books takes more skill" said not a single experienced writer.

 

[dolfe67]

i mean she's not one of those steroid women with 5% body fat, but she's far from chubby.

Yeah chubby wasn't the right wording. She's got a strong build, she's not a skinny or thin girl.

 

[Deleted member 2312665]

Pretty sure it was October.

 

[CoalPhelps]

Horrible ass pacing though. Game focused way too much on long-ass dungeons.

It's probably about Origins and I agree. The game is very difficult to pass to the end because of the endless monotonous dungeons, and the DLC I had the strength only for the Awakening.

 

[massimo.posata]

when I start the game, it loads (with the red bar at the bottom) and as soon as it finishes, the game does not start.
among other things, I was playing with it until recently

paste log file report:

Tue Jun 28 17:33:43 2022
Windows-10
Ren'Py 7.4.10.2178


Bootstrap to the start of init.init took 0.19s
Early init took 0.01s
Loader init took 0.04s
Loading error handling took 0.24s
Loading script took 25.23s

 

[Chemish]

As much Lena keep been Louise's mistress, i'm in.

I agree. Would be cool to see a healthy kinky relationship between Louise and Lena.

 

[Ragnar]

Define average then. In my understanding, on average, the writing quality of everything mainstream, be it books, songs, comic books, films or games, is, well, average. It doesn't mean that good writers don't bother with anything "less" than books, but it means that popular products with good writing are freaking rare. You're just biased towards books and don't respect writers in cinematography or gaming industry.

A movie/series has runtime. If your script is too long, some story elements end up on a cutting block and it can take away from the enjoyment of the story. Talented scriptwriters are aware of that, and write in a way that would be ideal for a 2-hour movie, or a 10/13-episode series. And role-playing games with player choice have to account for many storylines that can diverge because of player's action. Regular book writers never have to worry about such thing as player agency. Even simple games' narratives can be brilliant by blending storytelling with player experience, connecting the story with game mechanics through ludonarrative.

But sure, "writing books takes more skill" said not a single experienced writer.

Saying that water is wet is not being biased. I said it already but I repeat, stop putting words in my mouth.
I made a tier list of writers' quality on average. Nothing more nothing less.
The average videogame has bad writing. Even highly regarded games for their writing have a polarizing reaction among players.

But let's go back to the beginning of the issue here.
We are talking about amateur porn vns, not about Bioware, Hollywood or whatever. So excuse me if I find strange when someone says these games have top tier writing.
I think the best writing in porn VNs can be serviceable or funny, but I wouldn't say it's better than the average book.

 

[BloodyMares]

We are talking about amateur porn vns, not about Bioware, Hollywood or whatever. So excuse me if I find strange when someone says these games have top tier writing.
I think the best writing in porn VNs can be serviceable or funny, but I wouldn't say it's better than the average book.

Well, duh, same as you don't usually see the art of top-tier AAA quality in these types of games. Because there's still stigma. Adult games are considered to be guilty pleasure for a reason and all of them are indie projects with next to no budget. If you're talented enough to work on a game, chances are, you want to be able to show your work to more people, and make your game mainstream and hopefully get noticed.

But then again, your point is highlighting the difference in quality between books and not-books, not mainstream and porn. Can you name some written X-rated erotica that in your opinion has the top-tier writing that is not seen in erotic films? Since you're saying that on average books are better, you should be able to name quite a few.

 

[ekroniuk]

It is pretty common for movies/series bo be based on books. Although sometimes it works the other way around it is rare (and I can't recall any really good book that was based on the movie).

The same is true for movies/games, most attempts to create films based on games ended pretty badly.

For me it supports the theory that writing in books is generally superior than in movies

 

[Ragnar]

Well, duh, same as you don't usually see the art of top-tier AAA quality in these types of games. Because there's still stigma. Adult games are considered to be guilty pleasure for a reason and all of them are indie projects with next to no budget. If you're talented enough to work on a game, chances are, you want to be able to show your work to more people, and make your game mainstream and hopefully get noticed.

But then again, your point is highlighting the difference in quality between books and not-books, not mainstream and porn. Can you name some written X-rated erotica that in your opinion has the top-tier writing that is not seen in erotic films? Since you're saying that on average books are better, you should be able to name quite a few.

You can start with Justine by Sade if you want to read good porn. And that was written centuries ago.

 

[jojogeo]

You can start with Justine from Sade if you want to read good porn. And that was written centuries ago.

Sade killed 7 women and buried them in his garden.
Strongly in favor of the death penalty, he sudently changed his mind after being sentenced to death.

 

[Nickly]

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Chapter 10 weekly status report (8)

Quick status update.

As always, I can't explain in too much detail what I've been working on without spoiling too much. I've been focusing on the writing maybe a bit too much, and pushing forward with that began to feel difficult, but I really wanted to make progress. I've found out it's better to switch to art related tasks when that happens, so that way I still get the feeling of pushing the workload forward and I get to clear my head for a bit. I'll do that during this coming week, focusing on writing but breaking it up to draw and edit some scenes.

Here you can see the final result of an image of Emma previously shown. What do you guys think?

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Also, if you are curious about anything in particular and want to ask questions or give me tips on what to talk about in these weekly status reports, feel free to let me know in the comments. I think that way I can come up with more interesting posts to keep you informed!

If Emma is going to look like this I might have to cuck Perry

 

[BloodyMares]

You can start with Justine by Sade if you want to read good porn. And that was written centuries ago.

Centuries ago there wasn't cinematography and definitely weren't any videogames. Name something modern.

 

[Mesmerizet]

The last proper story update has been 8m ago but I am patiently waiting for Cindy's corruption in the story. I'm fairly sure like GGGB there will be hybrid endings for each characters accordingly.