Starscream76

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IIRC Seymour meets Lena at public photo exhibition. The photos were taken by one of Lena's friends, neither Axel nor Ivy had anything to do with it.
yes exact it's Danny and she meets Seymour at the exhibition. but then you have the choice to work for Seymour or not. I completely forgot about it lol.
 
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Takkatakka

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yes exact it's Danny and she meets Seymour at the exhibition. but then you have the choice to work for Seymour or not. I completely forgot about it lol.
Well...technically Seymour sees her the first time when Axel appears at the restaurant accompanying Seymour. I don't think that is ever referenced in the game, but he knew she worked there when he was taking her they during their first meeting.

Also of course Seymour is the one who block Lena from pretty much every other job and gets her fired from the Restaurant to pressure her to work for him (which is also never really referenced so far).
 

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Well...technically Seymour sees her the first time when Axel appears at the restaurant accompanying Seymour. I don't think that is ever referenced in the game, but he knew she worked there when he was taking her they during their first meeting.

Also of course Seymour is the one who block Lena from pretty much every other job and gets her fired from the Restaurant to pressure her to work for him (which is also never really referenced so far).
It gets referenced by Lena later in the game. She remembers him being with Axel.

Seymour blocking her every job regardless of her being smitten with him is canon. It's just never brought to light if Lena accepts the contract, but on the other hand, if she refuses, all those things he did to her behind her back come to light.
 

Starscream76

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I should try replaying the game refusing to work for Seymour and see what happens. It's true that for the moment all the paths I have taken I have each time agreed to work for him lol. The Seymour/Lena relationship reminds me of an old game Katie's Corruption, I don't know if most people know this game, I think so
 
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I should try replaying the game refusing to work for Seymour and see what happens. It's true that for the moment all the paths I have taken I have each time agreed to work for him lol. The Seymour/Lena relationship reminds me of an old game Katie's Corruption, I don't know if most people know this game, I think so
Fun Fact - Eva was inspired by KC and made GGGB.
 

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What do you mean for reasons? The reason is simple: for money/power.
Money and power are means, not ends.
A character might want to acquire money so they can lord it over a hated foe, or explore unknown regions no one has ever been to, or to have the greatest collection of <whatever>.

A character might want to acquire power so nobody can ever hurt them again, or because they think they understand things better than anyone else, and only they can guide a group/nation/humanity through clashing rocks.

All too often antagonists in fiction are left with cloudy motivation and generally only exist to provide the protagonist someone to fight and ultimately defeat. I find this shallow and ultimately unfulfilling, I don't just want to know what the antagonist wants to do, to me I want to know WHY they are doing it. I appreciate that not everyone cares about this, c'est la vie.
 

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The problem is that some of us expected something more..."exciting" for the first time they have sex,instead we got a very vanilla scene where all of the sudden Seymour is a weak simp.
The payout was bad for the build up EK did for years.
People are defending her saying "MAYBE IS ALL TO LURE EMMA!" but thats a trash ass plot line and not what people wanted:LOL:
 

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Money and power are means, not ends.
A character might want to acquire money so they can lord it over a hated foe, or explore unknown regions no one has ever been to, or to have the greatest collection of <whatever>.

A character might want to acquire power so nobody can ever hurt them again, or because they think they understand things better than anyone else, and only they can guide a group/nation/humanity through clashing rocks.

All too often antagonists in fiction are left with cloudy motivation and generally only exist to provide the protagonist someone to fight and ultimately defeat. I find this shallow and ultimately unfulfilling, I don't just want to know what the antagonist wants to do, to me I want to know WHY they are doing it. I appreciate that not everyone cares about this, c'est la vie.
I'd argue power can be an end by itself. A character could simply pursue it for ego or the ability to bend others to their will without being able to say no.

IMO this trope of moral grey area for antagonists is overdone lately. Some stories are made worse for the sake of the villain having a sympathetic backstory. I think it's fine to just let your bad guys be bad guys sometimes.

With a character like Seymour though, I can see some people expecting a machiavellian 5D chess reason for being the way he is... so fair enough. He certainly talks a big game:BootyTime:. Personally I don't mind him pursuing power for the sake of power.
 

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I'd argue power can be an end by itself. A character could simply pursue it for ego or the ability to bend others to their will without being able to say no.

IMO this trope of moral grey area for antagonists is overdone lately. Some stories are made worse for the sake of the villain having a sympathetic backstory. I think it's fine to just let your bad guys be bad guys sometimes.

With a character like Seymour though, I can see some people expecting a machiavellian 5D chess reason for being the way he is... so fair enough. He certainly talks a big game:BootyTime:. Personally I don't mind him pursuing power for the sake of power.
:) These are not examples of power for it's own sake, in your first example it is because it grants them the warm and fuzzy feeling of people fawning over you, and in the later it is having people kowtow to you. You probably can't drill down into their motivations any further, as at some point the answer just becomes, because it makes (figuratively speaking) areas of brain light up, and the wiring of the brain is just something which is super mysterious to us right now.

It also doesn't have to lead to morally grey antagonists. Just because group X shat on the antagonist from a great height when they were growing up, doesn't justify whatever terrible things that the antagonist does to them when the roles are reversed. You can understand someone's motivations and still think they are a massive piece of shit.

I do agree that Seymour is looking less and less likely to be the master chess player, but who knows?
 
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:) These are not examples of power for it's own sake, in your first example it is because it grants them the warm and fuzzy feeling of people fawning over you, and in the later it is having people kowtow to you. You probably can't drill down into their motivations any further, as at some point the answer just becomes, because it make (figuratively speaking) areas of brain light up, and the wiring of the brain is just something which is super mysterious to us right now.

It also doesn't have to lead to morally grey antagonists. Just because group X shat on the antagonist from a great height when they were growing up, doesn't justify whatever terrible things that the antagonist does to them when the roles are reversed. You can understand someone's motivations and still think they are a massive piece of shit.

I do agree that Seymour is looking less and less likely to be the master chess player, but who knows?
True, I'm more excited about Author than for Seymour now after the new update.
 

Starscream76

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As said, it is a question of choice to make. Lena feels attracted to Seymour after seeing what Eva has planned but I think there will be several arcs with the different characters like in GGGB
 
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Takkatakka

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I do agree that Seymour is looking less and less likely to be the master chess player, but who knows?
He probably can be both depending on how far the game goes. There could be one path in which, especially if Lena rejects him (haven't tried that one yet) he basically ruins her life and the life of everybody she is close to like Ian, Emma and so on.

Or there might be a path on which he actually falls fully for Lena and she can start manipulating him for her own ends.

There is a lot of possibilities and ORS is one of the few games I would expect to fulfill at least some of them.
 

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Yapmour’s old, I wouldn’t be surprised if he just wanted to smash prime pussy before he bites it. All he does is rant and hyper fixate on a person. Lena was probably the easiest 20 something that would listen to him drone on so he went with her. His heart might give out if he tries to get too kinky with Lena and we’d have another Gerald’s Game on our hands.
 

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He probably can be both depending on how far the game goes. There could be one path in which, especially if Lena rejects him (haven't tried that one yet) he basically ruins her life and the life of everybody she is close to like Ian, Emma and so on.

Or there might be a path on which he actually falls fully for Lena and she can start manipulating him for her own ends.

There is a lot of possibilities and ORS is one of the few games I would expect to fulfill at least some of them.
It'd be incredibly boring if rejecting Seymour automatically means Lena reaches a bad end.
 

Takkatakka

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It'd be incredibly boring if rejecting Seymour automatically means Lena reaches a bad end.
I mean...I didn't say he would succeed necessarily. But it could then be the main theme of the game (if you on that path at least), to pull her life back together and beat back against him somehow. We had a "somewhat" similar dynamic with the gang in GGGB, where the outcome could be VERY different depending on the player choices.
 
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