VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[PervySageKem]

This is a pretty good description of the issue(s) of Lena’s alternate route(s). I would even add here the Lena/Robert story. I still can’t think way Lena should choose someone like Robert.

The whole thing is a bit unlucky. I think there would be some interesting options / stories, but somehow, they are poorly implemented or they lead to MC that you start heating. For example, the idea of Lena being on the other side of cheating, is something that could be interesting, but you need a build-up or some trigger, maybe if Ian would cheat on her or something like that. The current stories are just implemented out of the blue.

In the end you can only choose by faithful Lena, hypocritical bitch Lena or stupid Lena (Robert path). I wonder if this has been done by purpose. Strange that Eva Kiss puts so much effort in these routes, currently we have more sex scenes between Lena and Robert as between Lena and Ian….

I agree. And since the way the game is written puts us in the shoes of Ian, most of the Lena content is just really painful to watch. The fact that she needs to be with other people (robert, mike or louise) for there to be a possibility for an open relationship/polyamory relationship kinda sucks (since those three pairings in particular really don't fit the personality of a girl that would date Ian. If she were the type to date Ian, she wouldnt date those three.).

I think Eva should've made Lena and Ian not cross paths at all for most of the game and then create a possibility to come together in the future. Since they meet in the beginning, only cucks will play out the Lena paths. GGGB didn't have this problem since the players never gave a fuck about the idiot BF, we were living things out through Ashley's perspective. In ORS, we live moslty through Ian and we want our OTP to be faithful.

 

[monk_56]

Currently we have more sex scenes between Lena and Robert as between Lena and Ian….

Christ on a bicycle! I did not realize that. That is laughably pathetic. Sorry Ian. Robert is the protagonist

It is some kind of tragedy that the two protags don't have double the number of scenes together- since you get the same scene twice if you stick to them being together.

Where the Robert fans at? They hiding in the woodwork?

 

[indubarbie]

I don't know if that's asking too much, but does anyone have various saves after Update 0.9?

1. Cheating with Cindy

2. Ian & Holly relationship

3. Ian & Cherry

4. Ian & Emma

5. Ian & Alison



Thanks in advance!

 

[PervySageKem]

I don't know if that's asking too much, but does anyone have various saves after Update 0.9?

1. Cheating with Cindy

2. Ian & Holly relationship

3. Ian & Cherry

4. Ian & Emma

5. Ian & Alison



Thanks in advance!

I tend to stick with one idea and finish a playthrough before deciding if I want to try other things out.

 

[indubarbie]

I tend to stick with one idea and finish a playthrough before deciding if I want to try other things out.

I lost my files . so i need new save files to play new update

 

[WatsonJohn]

I've advanced a little further into the story.

So: Lena agreed to have a threesome with Axel and Cherry in the past. There is a possibility for Jeremy, Ivy, Louise and Lena to have fun together...

Why the fuck is the MAIN male character the only one that can't have that? This shit tilts me so much. And I hate how in these games the authors always like to retroactively put more baggage on to the main love interest.

"Yeah, I had a threesome with him. I also had a gangbang for Blacked.com. Ah, and there was the time I serviced the entire 88th Marine Corps regiment and let them run a train on me."

For the love of God.

I'm pretty sure Ian is going to have threesome or foursome with Lena, Ivy and Holly at some point. Even Louise could get roped in when her arc with Ian starts. Hell, there could even be a threesome with Cherry and Lena when they Lena finally forgives Cherry. I think the author does a good job of providing the two characters with equal opportunities. In the recent update for example, Ian and Lena got the opportunity to cheat on each other with Cindy and Axel. So I think the threesome scenes of the main characters will happen at the same time, with their own set of characters involved. What I think would be funny is if a certain character got involved in both threesomes while Ian and Lena are in a relationship, making the dynamic really awkward.

 

[BloodyMares]

I don't know if that's asking too much, but does anyone have various saves after Update 0.9?

1. Cheating with Cindy

2. Ian & Holly relationship

3. Ian & Cherry

4. Ian & Emma

5. Ian & Alison



Thanks in advance!

I recommend waiting for the revised version of Chapter 9 and start the new game. Your old saves won't work anyway.

 

[juniorforlife17313]

Hoping for a catfight between Cindy and Lena in a future update lol

 

[Echbert]

I agree. And since the way the game is written puts us in the shoes of Ian, most of the Lena content is just really painful to watch. The fact that she needs to be with other people (robert, mike or louise) for there to be a possibility for an open relationship/polyamory relationship kinda sucks (since those three pairings in particular really don't fit the personality of a girl that would date Ian. If she were the type to date Ian, she wouldnt date those three.).

I think Eva should've made Lena and Ian not cross paths at all for most of the game and then create a possibility to come together in the future. Since they meet in the beginning, only cucks will play out the Lena paths. GGGB didn't have this problem since the players never gave a fuck about the idiot BF, we were living things out through Ashley's perspective. In ORS, we live moslty through Ian and we want our OTP to be faithful.

Genuine question, how does the game put us in the shoes of Ian over Lena?

 

[monk_56]

Genuine question, how does the game put us in the shoes of Ian over Lena?

Lena as a protagonist = unrelatable

I have a super hard time relating to Lena as a protagonist.
I have never been nor never will be a super-hot chick in a hyperbolically exaggerated sexually and financially oppressive world. Nor will I ever be so obsessed with big-dick, some Adonis looking asshole who betrayed me, or money that I have a hard time keeping my principles.

Nor would I have any interest in being a nude model or have any of the attitudes about nude modeling that Lena has.

Nor would I treat Louise like garbage.

Sure she is a protagonist and the game tries to put me "in her shoes," but goddamn do these shoes not fit.

Ian as a protagonist = relatable

Ian on the other hand - while I find it partially difficult to relate to his physical problems because he is so small- I can relate to his struggle to gain his ideal body via exercise and struggle as a young professional trying to pursue his dream of using his mind to survive instead of working some shit job for easy cash.

Also- him being a dude makes him more relatable to me in a myriad of ways baseline.

 

[dolfe67]

Lena as a protagonist = unrelatable

I have a super hard time relating to Lena as a protagonist.
I have never been nor never will be a super-hot chick in a hyperbolically exaggerated sexually and financially oppressive world. Nor will I ever be so obsessed with big-dick, some Adonis looking asshole who betrayed me, or money that I have a hard time keeping my principles.

Nor would I have any interest in being a nude model or have any of the attitudes about nude modeling that Lena has.

Nor would I treat Louise like garbage.

Sure she is a protagonist and the game tries to put me "in her shoes," but goddamn do these shoes not fit.

Ian as a protagonist = relatable

Ian on the other hand - while I find it partially difficult to relate to his physical problems because he is so small- I can relate to his struggle to gain his ideal body via exercise and struggle as a young professional trying to pursue his dream of using his mind to survive instead of working some shit job for easy cash.

Also- him being a dude makes him more relatable to me in a myriad of ways baseline.

You didn't like GGGB then?

 

[MaliPizdek]

any news for 0.10 about Cindy?

 

[What'sNew]

any news for 0.10 about Cindy?

0.10 isn't in the works yet. Eva is currently working on ch 9 "revised" which is a definitive version of sorts.

 

[PervySageKem]

Genuine question, how does the game put us in the shoes of Ian over Lena?

The game literally starts with Ian's POV and not with Lena's POV. Additionally, most players of these games are male, which further makes us consider him the "Main Protoganist", and Lena the second protagonist.

It would be disingenuous to say the opposite. We "instrumentalize" Lena, going for the routes we go with her for selfish reasons (even if they are bad for Lena). At the same time, we naturally tend to make the best choices for Ian and try to make Lena be the best gf possible for him.

None of this is bad, it's actually good. But it does mean that the things that worked for GGGB may not work for ORS.

You didn't like GGGB then?

In GGGB you were always on Ashley's shoes and only Ashley's shoes. The perspective is exclusively hers. You naturally get immersed and you are free to make choices

I'll give a more concrete example:

I didn't give a fuck about Ashley's boyfriend, I cheated on him, fucked his Dad, fucked whoever I wanted with no remorse. On GGGB, I just wanted to have fun through Ashley's POV.

While playing ORS, while playing has Lena, I avoided all content that didn't involve Ian. Because I "wasn't Lena". I was Ian, just controlling what Lena was doing and I wanted her all for myself.

It's not that hard to understand, tbh. But not everyone gets immersed in stories, it's pretty rare.

 

[BloodyMares]

You didn't like GGGB then?

I doubt the majority of GGGB fans (men) played GGGB for relatability. As a general rule, guys play female protagonist adult games for the corruption and as much sex scenes as possible. The over-the-top tone of GGGB encouraged that compared to how limited Good Ashley's opportunities were.

ORS on the other hand, with the more realistic tone (and playable Ian for balance), reinforces the idea that you should be more attentive to your choices, and it immerses you enough that you would want to care for the protagonists and wish for them to succeed in their endeavors. Just look at how universally despised Robert is, even though he kinda acts as early-game Arthur-lite, the corrupting/liberating force for Lena that gives you a lot of sexy content. And yet, people ignore him despite all that, because they can't believe that any person in Lena's shoes would have self-esteem so low that they would so readily jump Robert's bones. But that could also be the factor where they just want Lena to be a faithful waifu to Ian instead of acting like an independent person.

IMO, if Ian wasn't a playable character, the majority of comments here would be negative, saying that this game is boring compared to GGGB because the realistic tone gets in the way of their desire to turn Lena into an ultimate brainless slut. For now, they're a minority because most of the players find the experience immersive enough to enjoy it through both POV's.

 

[PervySageKem]

I doubt the majority of GGGB fans (men) played GGGB for relatability. As a general rule, guys play female protagonist adult games for the corruption and as much sex scenes as possible. The over-the-top tone of GGGB encouraged that compared to how limited Good Ashley's opportunities were.

ORS on the other hand, with the more realistic tone (and playable Ian for balance), reinforces the idea that you should be more attentive to your choices, and it immerses you enough that you would want to care for the protagonists and wish for them to succeed in their endeavors. Just look at how universally despised Robert is, even though he kinda acts as early-game Arthur-lite, the corrupting/liberating force for Lena that gives you a lot of sexy content. And yet, people ignore him despite all that, because they can't believe that any person in Lena's shoes would have self-esteem so low that they would so readily jump Robert's bones. But that could also be the factor where they just want Lena to be a faithful waifu to Ian instead of acting like an independent person.

IMO, if Ian wasn't a playable character, the majority of comments here would be negative, saying that this game is boring compared to GGGB because the realistic tone gets in the way of their desire to turn Lena into an ultimate brainless slut. For now, they're a minority because most of the players find the experience immersive enough to enjoy it through both POV's.

Exactly, very well put. In GGGB there wasn't any incentive to go for the Good Ashley route (the braindead boyfriend literally went to Africa, if you stayed faithful what were you gonna do? Wait until the end of the game?) + the corruption/slutty angle was really well done and really freaking hot. Ashley was a shy girl that wanted to grow out of her shell and, with the wrong people around her, she'd go full slut.

Lena has an already very established past (too established, pretty sure next patch Eva is gonna tell us she's a 10 year carreer pornstar). Because of a very well established personality, tt doesn't make much sense for her to suddenly go full hoe (that's why Eva added in later patches retcons that she might've been more freaky all along, even if there is no basis for it - Eva wanted to make it more confortable/reasonable to make those choices).

Even forgetting the Ian angle, I never felt like it made sense to hook-up with Axel (especially), Robert, Mike, or Jeremy. It just isn't the real Lena.

Can you geniunely say a Lena that would fall in love with Ian could fuck Robert, Mike, or Louise? She would need to be a completely different person from one scene to another.

 

[BloodyMares]

Additionally, most players of these games are male, which further makes us consider him the "Main Protoganist", and Lena the second protagonist.

Is it me, or it sounds sexist? I get where you're coming from (Ian spoke to my soul the first scene he appeared in) but the phrasing could be better.

I didn't give a fuck about Ashley's boyfriend, I cheated on him, fucked his Dad, fucked whoever I wanted with no remorse. On GGGB, I just wanted to have fun through Ashley's POV.

So, what you're saying is, you didn't care about Ashley. You didn't care about her parents divorcing (they're not your parents), didn't care about her best friend spiraling out of control and making very questionable decisions (it's not your best friend), didn't care about her grades (but she would if she was a hard-working student all this time), you didn't care about her emotional pain caused by Eric's selfish desire to leave, you didn't care about her money problems (making her sell her body is the first instinct, because it's not your body).

Isn't it a boring way to play the female protagonist POV? Didn't you want to open your mind enough and make the choices for Ashley as if her life was your own? Or as if she was your sister / best friend that you cared and empathized for?

What I get from this, is that you just can't roleplay as female protagonists, but it's not the problem of the game's design but a purely subjective incompatibility with female characters that require empathy to play AS, not WITH.

 

[dolfe67]

Even forgetting the Ian angle, I never felt like it made sense to hook-up with Axel (especially), Robert, Mike, or Jeremy. It just isn't the real Lena.

And yet she was in a relationship with Axel before the start of the game. Plus there is no "real" Lena.

Though I understand it's not for everyone's taste, probably the anti-ntr crowd for the most. I'm not pro-ntr but I don't mind it.

And without Ian playable, it's GGGB 2 the reboot imo

 

[DavDR]

I doubt the majority of GGGB fans (men) played GGGB for relatability. As a general rule, guys play female protagonist adult games for the corruption and as much sex scenes as possible. The over-the-top tone of GGGB encouraged that compared to how limited Good Ashley's opportunities were.

ORS on the other hand, with the more realistic tone (and playable Ian for balance), reinforces the idea that you should be more attentive to your choices, and it immerses you enough that you would want to care for the protagonists and wish for them to succeed in their endeavors. Just look at how universally despised Robert is, even though he kinda acts as early-game Arthur-lite, the corrupting/liberating force for Lena that gives you a lot of sexy content. And yet, people ignore him despite all that, because they can't believe that any person in Lena's shoes would have self-esteem so low that they would so readily jump Robert's bones. But that could also be the factor where they just want Lena to be a faithful waifu to Ian instead of acting like an independent person.

IMO, if Ian wasn't a playable character, the majority of comments here would be negative, saying that this game is boring compared to GGGB because the realistic tone gets in the way of their desire to turn Lena into an ultimate brainless slut. For now, they're a minority because most of the players find the experience immersive enough to enjoy it through both POV's.

This shit that goes around the internet that male players can only identify with male protagonist has absolutely no basis in reality.

I can read a novel by a female author and with a gay or female protagonist and still identify with the character, because I have an imagination. The same goes for the MC's race, nationality, rather they are a human being, and etc. Because if you use your imagination you can actually identify with someone who isn't exactly like you.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

I have the impression that people play the game and identify with the characters in various ways, often independent of gender. I can’t say I self-insert any more with Ian than with Lena, even though I’m a male, and I don’t have any more problems going behind Ian’s back when playing as Lena than the opposite.

But it’s true that the double protagonist system makes things different, as there’s two persons to care for instead of one. I get the impression that a good amount of the male players either play Lena as promiscious as possible (like the usual female corruption games, as BloodyMares mentioned), or play her as loyal to Ian as possible (because they identify with Ian, at least to a certain degree).

It could’ve been an interesting topic for a Patreon poll: What character do people identify with while playing? Eva already had a poll about everyone’s preferred character, but that’s not exactly the same.

If Lena having sex with Robert, Mike or Louise is a prerequisite for the Lena/Ian/Holly relationship, I agree that it doesn’t make completely sense. But I don’t think that’s a given: To me the "experiment together" choice seems to be about being exclusive emotionally, but at the same time giving them the chance to have sex with other people — just for the sex. Their mutual Holly path could just as well happen in their exclusive relationship: That would make Holly the exception, because they all realize they have feelings for each other and want to act on it together, instead of Holly just being one of a string of people joining them in the bedroom.