VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.1 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[fatpussy123]

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you think that "average guy" is witty, intelligent, charming, good looking, well behaved *and* good in bed, then you have very optimistic idea of what constitutes for average, typical and plain. But might want to ask some women about it for a more realistic perspective.

Out of ORS cast i'd say Robert and/or Mark are positioned as "average guy", with shortcomings balancing out the few advantages they have.

"witty, intelligent, charming, good looking, well behaved *and* good in bed" my point is that the witniness, intelligence is created by the dialogue chosen by the player. Before this Ian is distinctly around average or slightly above average. The good in bed thing is conjecture. We don't know how he performed with Gillian annd the player can make Ian perform terribly in bed. There are even hidden stats charater_satisfaction in the code. Sure in most scenes Ian performs good and satisfies his partner, but those scenes happen because of player input and even his performance is influenced by the player. Not that it even affects his attractiveness, notl like the women know before sleeping with him, unless we're talking repeat customers


These are Ian's stats at the start of the game before the player has any input. Ian's stats for his charisma are average and his intelligence and fitness are both 1 deviation above average. I'd argue being witty is a combination of both intelligence and charisma. He is only slightly above average in the categories you listed. And yes 5 is defined as average by the author.

To be fair these aren't necessary to the game or even strict 'canon', but they are made by the author and convey the author's intent of the characters being slightly above average at the start of the game.

 

[lipe2410]

We don't know how he performed with Gillian

In Alison's route she tells Ian she already knew he was good in bed because she asked Gillian about it.

 

[fatpussy123]

In Alison's route she tells Ian she already knew he was good in bed because she asked Gillian about it.

Fair enough. Point stands. Most women won't know how he'd perform before sleeping with him.

 

[BloodyMares]

annd the player can make Ian perform terribly in bed

Not really. The player can make him have a performance anxiety, resulting in no sex at all, but I don't remember any roleplaying opportunities to make Ian outright bad at sex, where the girls he's with are underwhelmed about his performance. Ian's oral game is stated to be one of the best for example by both Lena and Minerva. The only time where his performance can be very weak is during the threesome with Alison and Jeremy, where she comments that he finished rather fast.

 

[fatpussy123]

Not really. The player can make him have a performance anxiety, resulting in no sex at all, but I don't remember any roleplaying opportunities to make Ian outright bad at sex, where the girls he's with are underwhelmed about his performance. Ian's oral game is stated to be one of the best for example by both Lena and Minerva. The only time where his performance can be very weak is during the threesome with Alison and Jeremy, where she comments that he finished rather fast.

Depends on what you call having a 0 satisfaction score in the code. Besides, not getting it up, prematurely orgasming, doing counterintuitive actions like slowing down while giving a pounding, and saying uncalled for shit that ruins the mood can all be player controlled and are absolutely bad showings in bed. Maybe saying performing terrible is an exaggeration I guess.

 

[mommysboiii]

Considering Alison's love for creampies and her bad reaction to the pills, I'd say there's a very high chance of her getting pregnant one of these days, probably even the first day Ian officially becomes her boyfriend.

hope the baby is black will be interisting to see how she will talk herself out of that one to ian

you know ian I accidentally slipped and fall on jeremys cock again

 

[Outlier69]

Her body in most of the scenes was inspired by August Ames. Not sure about the face, to me she kinda looks like young Dana DeArmond.

Now it makes sense why I like her so much. Thanks for the info.

I never called any of the girls bad-looking, but in the context of the story characters treat Cindy and Lena specifically as being the most attractive women. If Alison really had this big crush throughout their entire friendship, just like Holly, and like how Minerva had a thing for Ian, doesnt that speak to how socially lacking Ian can be without player input? That he had three attractive woman crushing on him but did not manage to sleep with one of them and instead got cheated on by Gillian and proceeded to spend the following months wallowing in self pity.

I feel like we're arguing different things. My point is that Ian is good enough to be able to attract good-looking women(e.g. Alison) even before the game starts. He is no loser by any means. Whatever happens after you start the game depends on what your tastes and/or kinks are and whoever you want Ian to be.

 

[mommysboiii]

There are even hidden stats charater_satisfaction in the code.

is this true ??? tell me more sir how can I influance this most of the time cheracters are satisfied if I have low flame stat my ian is worse in bed??? or need i make the diecission that dosent have flames???

 

[fatpussy123]

is this true ??? tell me more sir how can I influance this most of the time cheracters are satisfied if I have low flame state my ian is worse in bed??? or need i make the diecission that dosent have flames???

No generally flame options give the most satisfaction. Emma, Cherry, Lena, and Alison have satisfaction stats, but they have little effect on the outcomes, generally just minor dialogue differences I think. You can see where they are if you ctrl+F satisfaction on the walkthrough.

 

[SerHawkes]

hope the baby is black will be interisting to see how she will talk herself out of that one to ian

you know ian I accidentally slipped and fall on jeremys cock again

Jokes on you if Allison has only been with Ian, the baby will be white.

Almost feel sorry for your partner...

 

[mommysboiii]

Jokes on you if Allison has only been with Ian, the baby will be white.

Almost feel sorry for your partner...

jokes on you pal but my Ian agrees to a treesome with alison and you can gueess how that went for ian

 

[ffive]

"witty, intelligent, charming, good looking, well behaved *and* good in bed" my point is that the witniness, intelligence is created by the dialogue chosen by the player.

Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that's what Ian is potentially like, and so it's somewhat silly to describe such man as "average". The player certainly can have Ian act somewhat average -- that is, pick poor options in dialogues, underperform in bed, don't put effort in his book, lazy around and wank for hours. But, surprise, if Ian acts this way then he generally fails to impress girls enough to establish relationships with them, or finds himself dumped.

Before this Ian is distinctly around average or slightly above average.

If by this you mean the game then we have zero idea what Ian was actually like before it. All we know is that his long time friend Allison has been crushing on him, while he formed relationship with Gillian that lasted years, until it eventually broke down.

The good in bed thing is conjecture.

It's hardly conjecture when normally Ian is capable of regularly satisfying every woman he gets in bed with. That this is up to the player it's meaningless argument -- average guy doesn't have choice of being excellent or poor performer, he will be at best mediocre because he doesn't know any better.

These are Ian's stats at the start of the game before the player has any input. (...) To be fair these aren't necessary to the game or even strict 'canon', but they are made by the author and convey the author's intent of the characters being slightly above average at the start of the game.

There's only one small problem with reading these stats in such manner. You know who else is "distinctly average" or just tiny bit above average by this metric? These girls:



Now, don't get me wrong, am fine with the idea of Ian being "just as average" as Lena or Cherry. But i suspect these same people who are fast to call Ian average would scoff quite a bit if you told them any of these girls is "just disctinctly average", too.

edit: to put it differently, i think what we have here is the same effect TVTropes lovingly puts as "Hollywood Homely" i.e. the baseline being drawn so high that character which is supposed to be unattractive would in reality turn men heads as she walks by, because she's gorgeous compared to what actual average (nevermind homely) is like. Ian (and Lena and Cherry etc) are "average" in this sense, but their "average" has very little to do with actual human average, which is considerably lower than what these characters demonstrate.

 

[PickerLewd]

I tried to play this game but unfortunately my potato cannot run it well , I have input lag of more than 3 seconds which prevents me from responding to time-limited events and I have to load a save every 10 minutes because the dialogs start to run slow. In the 20 minutes I was able to play I hated the MC boss, the one who gets angry about the books reviews .

 

[Nifferman]

I tried to play this game but unfortunately my potato cannot run it well , I have input lag of more than 3 seconds which prevents me from responding to time-limited events and I have to load a save every 10 minutes because the dialogs start to run slow. In the 20 minutes I was able to play I hated the MC boss, the one who gets angry about the books reviews .

Use an android phone even a mid tier phone can run this vn easy.

 

[fatpussy123]

Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that's what Ian is potentially like, and so it's somewhat silly to describe such man as "average". The player certainly can have Ian act somewhat average -- that is, pick poor options in dialogues, underperform in bed, don't put effort in his book, lazy around and wank for hours. But, surprise, if Ian acts this way then he generally fails to impress girls enough to establish relationships with them, or finds himself dumped.


If by this you mean the game then we have zero idea what Ian was actually like before it. All we know is that his long time friend Allison has been crushing on him, while he formed relationship with Gillian that lasted years, until it eventually broke down.


It's hardly conjecture when normally Ian is capable of regularly satisfying every woman he gets in bed with. That this is up to the player it's meaningless argument -- average guy doesn't have choice of being excellent or poor performer, he will be at best mediocre because he doesn't know any better.


There's only one small problem with reading these stats in such manner. You know who else is "distinctly average" or just tiny bit above average by this metric? These girls:

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Now, don't get me wrong, am fine with the idea of Ian being "just as average" as Lena or Cherry. But i suspect these same people who are fast to call Ian average would scoff quite a bit if you told them any of these girls is "just disctinctly average", too.

edit: to put it differently, i think what we have here is the same effect TVTropes lovingly puts as "Hollywood Homely" i.e. the baseline being drawn so high that character which is supposed to be unattractive would in reality turn men heads as she walks by, because she's gorgeous compared to what actual average (nevermind homely) is like. Ian (and Lena and Cherry etc) are "average" in this sense, but their "average" has very little to do with actual human average, which is considerably lower than what these characters demonstrate.

Dude yes these girls are average by these metrics. Their intelligence and their social charisma is nothing to write home about. What makes them above average and attractive is what is not measured, like their sex appeal, relation to Ian, and their general character. YOU gave the metric of charisma and intelligence which Ian and these girls fall average on. If we want to add other metrics like the sex appeal of their bodies sure they'd be 8-10s but even then Ian would not rank that high.

 

[BloodyMares]

I tried to play this game but unfortunately my potato cannot run it well , I have input lag of more than 3 seconds which prevents me from responding to time-limited events and I have to load a save every 10 minutes because the dialogs start to run slow. In the 20 minutes I was able to play I hated the MC boss, the one who gets angry about the books reviews .

Chapter 11 will make add the setting where you'll be able to disable the timed choices.

 

[Razorheadult]

Her body in most of the scenes was inspired by August Ames. Not sure about the face, to me she kinda looks like young Dana DeArmond.

Funny, I thought about young Andy Mc Dowell (but I am quite old...) everybody makes his own expectation/projection

 

[PickerLewd]

Use an android phone even a mid tier phone can run this vn easy.

Maybe, I haven't played on cellphones for more than 15 years, I never adapted to playing on a touch screen and want the buttons era back, a total boomer .

Chapter 11 will make add the setting where you'll be able to disable the timed choices.

Great, maybe a lot of people don't like that mechanic? In my case it's only because of my hardware problem.

 

[mommysboiii]

Bigger joke is that Jeremy has not once creampied Alison at any point. Has always pulled out, respecting her wishes.

Good try, nice effort. 3/10, would not tell again.

ehhhh jeremy creampied alison in the treesome mate

 

[Gicoo]

edit: to put it differently, i think what we have here is the same effect TVTropes lovingly puts as "Hollywood Homely" i.e. the baseline being drawn so high that character which is supposed to be unattractive would in reality turn men heads as she walks by, because she's gorgeous compared to what actual average (nevermind homely) is like. Ian (and Lena and Cherry etc) are "average" in this sense, but their "average" has very little to do with actual human average, which is considerably lower than what these characters demonstrate.

It's the reverse. Holly, Alison, Emma and Gillian are stated to be decent but plain and homely compared to the model-like Lena, Cindy, Cherry and Ivy. But they are all drawn so gorgeous thats their sexiness is indistinguishly from each other.