VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[MF_DOOM]

Yeah it's disappointing as fuck to see how only 11 chapters in Ian and Ivy are just fucking now starting to hang out and actually flirt,

"How to tell everybody I am an idiot without telling everybody I am an idiot"

Ivy is Lena's friend and she got no other connection to Ian. As far as I know and understand Ian's character he is not the most confident guy either to just stalk her outside of her workplace and start flirting with her. Every time they met was either by coincidence(like in the bar with Jeremy or in the gym) or through Lena, it was crystal clear from the first chapter it will take some time or would never happen.

 

[Reaurt]

Most of what you said has been discussed in this forum but I know Eva Kiss doesn't visit these forum so I'd like to know how similar the discussions are on the discord/patron side of the community. My assumption is that people will be more amicable and understanding of her vision on those spaces

I lurk on the Discord now and then. My impression is that EvaKiss occasionally reads the Discord, but usually doesn't get involved with the discussions. The closest the Discord people usually get is interacting with someone who has a direct line of communication to her (bug-tester, etc.).

She occasionally interacts more directly with Patreon fans, but the Patreon blog post style doesn't really allow for discussions like a forum.

To answer your question, the tone is less negative on Discord/Patreon, for better or worse. Better because many complaints are just not helpful, but worse because any actual constructive feedback is less likely to be heard. I'll guess that the less negativity is due to (1) the people on Discord/Patreon buying into Eva's process (literally), so they may feel less need to complain, (2) some social pressure on those forums to not complain as much, especially on Discord with moderators being active contributors in the conversation, and (3) size. There's about 28,000 people active on F95 as I post this. There's a little over 1,100 on the Discord, and I think only a fraction of those are able to access all of the topic sections. There's a lot more opportunity for negativity with larger groups.

P.S. (4) this is a... unique forum. I can't imagine that every single scallywag pirate of such questionable treasure are warm, empathetic, altruistic folk. A lot more opportunity for freedom of expression, which cuts both ways.

 

[ffive]

is 16 chapters enough to explore all that is left?

We don't know, because only Eva knows what's actually left. So if they think the story has reached roughly 2/3rd point, am going to simply believe it, rather than clutch my pearls. The 20 chapters was very early estimate, and if EK has crammed more of the story in the 11 eps released up to now then good for them, and for us too -- maybe we'll see the game wrap up in 3 years instead of 5.

 

[SerHawkes]

We don't know, because only Eva knows what's actually left. So if they think the story has reached roughly 2/3rd point, am going to simply believe it, rather than clutch my pearls. The 20 chapters was very early estimate, and if EK has crammed more of the story in the 11 eps released up to now then good for them, and for us too -- maybe we'll see the game wrap up in 3 years instead of 5.

Honestly I think she wants to put the preverbal bullet to this project given everything and the fact she bit off way more than she did with this game. I mean multiple burnouts, writers blocks, inconsistancies with chracters not addressed or remedied. So if she is think she can wrap it all up in 16 chapters, I wish her the best, but expect that the story is gonna suffer for it and we are gonna be shoehorned so much fetish content and neglect other characters who haven't gotten there due if she is gonna try her 'rushed' method. NOW, if she decides to take her time (which is doubtful at this point) and have the remaining chapters be chaulked full of things, and expand the build time to over 4 months or so, then I'll reconsider things. Though given the history and pathing of things, I have my doubts.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Yeah it's disappointing as fuck to see how only 11 chapters in Ian and Ivy are just fucking now starting to hang out and actually flirt, even though in the OOG we had Ivy kiss Ian on the cheek, to then have a flirty moment, to the shitty current state. Eva's fucked up big time and continues to cater to the fetishists than actually stay true to her story. Sure, fetishists are nice once in a fucking while, but to have them in over and over again while glossing over your own story or even neglect certain characters, specially ones who have had zero content? Yeah, EK gets F on that regard.


"Down the line..." So likely fucking never. Way to completely fucking screw over the fans who have been waiting since the first release EK. Round of a fucking applause. Welp, looks likely I'll be drop kicking this game then and going nuclear on her discord then.

SerHawkes (F)amily: Where are you going? You've been so busy!
S: "To protest, goddammit! This CANNOT STAND!"
F: Oh... oh? You-You're into politics?-- well, whatever you feel is righ-
S: -"AND HE HASN'T EVEN BONKED IVY YET! GODDAMNED EVAKISS!!"
F: ...Is -is that some sort of politician?

 

[SerHawkes]

SerHawkes (F)amily: Where are you going? You've been so busy!
S: "To protest, goddammit! This CANNOT STAND!"
F: Oh... oh? You-You're into politics?-- well, whatever you feel is righ-
S: -"AND HE HASN'T EVEN BONKED IVY YET! GODDAMN EVAKISS, YOU GODDAMN BASTARD!!"
F: ...Is -is that some sort of politician?

I despise politics. I consider myself a preacher for the unjust content of waifus who truly deserve their due or deserve better.

Though I may have to crowdfund a trip to Spain if needed. Lot of hot spanish ladies there... Might run across EK in the process.

 

[Fellas]

It doesn't make sense to correlate ORS with GGGB. Mind you, GGGB is not some mindless sick fetish game either because THERE is a good Ashley path where you can end up be married with Eric, Dave, Jess, or even Jack. You want ORS to be realistic, play it that way! There is paths where Lena being lovey dovey with either Ian or Holly. There is a choice where Lena tells her friends what her desire is and we have so many options to choose (sex with a girl, exhibitionism, dominated, bbc, etc).

 

[SerHawkes]

It doesn't make sense to correlate ORS with GGGB. Mind you, GGGB is not some mindless sick fetish game either because THERE is a good Ashley path where you can end up be married with Eric, Dave, Jess, or even Jack. You want ORS to be realistic, play it that way! There is paths where Lena being lovey dovey with either Ian or Holly. There is a choice where Lena tells her friends what her desire is and we have so many options to choose (sex with a girl, exhibitionism, dominated, bbc, etc).

Right, because it's entirely realistic that Holly is gonna go all over for BBC in one chapter, same wtih Cinders. Along with Stan getting laid and having the best sex he's had in his short life and have the stamina to satisfy Lena, not to mention our so called bro Jeremy getting cott gree over and over again for his cheating, same apply for Lena and her sleeping around and not getting called out by Ian.

And yes, GGGB is a sick fetish game, specially when Eric came back from the fucking grave (which made zero fucking sense), it was literally just shoved in BBC and fetish content up the wazzoo after that.

 

[Fellas]

Right, because it's entirely realistic that Holly is gonna go all over for BBC in one chapter, same wtih Cinders. Along with Stan getting laid and having the best sex he's had in his short life and have the stamina to satisfy Lena, not to mention our so called bro Jeremy getting cott gree over and over again for his cheating, same apply for Lena and her sleeping around and not getting called out by Ian.

And yes, GGGB is a sick fetish game, specially when Eric came back from the fucking grave (which made zero fucking sense), it was literally just shoved in BBC and fetish content up the wazzoo after that.

Holly is a blank canvas. Ivy and Lena can paint her whatever they want. If you let Ivy influenced Holly, she will easily throw her body around to guys to feel worthy. If you let Ian or Lena to influence Holly, she will be all lovey dovey with them. One compliment from Marcel and she's all geeked up. With Ivy influence, there's a decent chance that Holly to sleep with Marcel. Hell, even Robert can get a piece of her too. She's easily influenced, it'sup to you how she will be guided throughout the game.

Cindy being bbc fetish where? Her potential partners are Ian and Axel. Those two are very realistic in terms of story too. Axel being the one who gets Cindy the modelling job, Ian being the one who encourages her pursuing her dreams and be in her side providing emotional support all the time.

To your Jeremy point, he can be busted and break up with Louise if Lena tell Louise that he's seeing Ivy too. So I don't really know what to complain there.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Funny thing is,Ivy actually got not only sex scenes but got to flirt with Ian in chapter 11.
The character got alot of content recently but because shes not sucking Ian balls on the streets EK is the evil.
The headcanon you people have about this game and Evakiss is insane.

 

[SerHawkes]

Funny thing is,Ivy actually got not only sex scenes but got to flirt with Ian in chapter 11.
The character got alot of content recently but because shes not sucking Ian balls on the streets EK is the evil.
The headcanon you people have about this game and Evakiss is insane.

Says the person hating on Holly and wanting your small dick idol Stan to slam her.

Never said anything about sucking Ian's Balls. Said about them actually hooking up, like on a date, getting to actually know each other instead of having some jackass so called friend be around them.

But then again, the light bulb of certain ones around here aren't that bright in the reading context.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Why a slut like Ivy would have the dates with Ian?LMAO
Like i said,your headcanon and reality are different.

 

[SerHawkes]

Why a slut like Ivy would have the dates with Ian?LMAO
Like i said,your headcanon and reality are different.

Same applies to your small dick fantasy of Stan and Holly, long with Holly getting blacked in one chapter.
Certainly one to talk.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Same applies to your small dick fantasy of Stan and Holly, long with Holly getting blacked in one chapter.
Certainly one to talk.

Most of my posts about Holly are jokes,anyone who isnt dense can notice that.
I never derail the thread crying about Holly or asking for more content for Stan like you do with Ivy throught.

 

[JoJoPool]

That added to an increasingly difficult ambition to release updates somewhat regularly, perhaps she just figures she should wrap it up and move on to bigger and better things? It's a pity because I also feel like the climax of the story has barely been hinted at yet.

Isn't that always the case ? She stated in her Q&A that she wants to take on new challenges and try new things with every new project as a way to keep herself motivated and boost her creativity ( also ORS was the "bigger and better thing" at the end of GGGB )... She then gets herself entangled in a mess of workload she can barely handle, she gets writer's block, the updates take a whole year, she gets exhausted and wants to wrap up and move on to something else..... New game - repeat cycle.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Okay, I was quite a lot. I'm not a radical simp of anyone. I am a guy who is interested in the game and where the story will lead. But I understand people's irritation and support the dissatisfaction.
Game has interesting characters - Ivy and Emma, who are not given much attention.
In return, Robert (the leg dildo for sex in the early game) continues to receive content. Why?
Stan is useless and he is a reflection of the people who see themselves in him. And don't tell me he's a fan favorite and came in "second place." This is a group of people who are interested in creepy Stan to amuse their fragile it. They don't interested in the game and story.
Jeremy is just an interracial fetish for now, although he may get a development arc.
Gillian - why was it necessary to return her if Eva, apparently, doesn't understand what to do with her. She can write for her a good redemption arc.
This game and many of the characters deserve better, but Eva makes the wrong decisions time and time again.
You may not like SerHawkes' harsh speech, he is an emotional guy, but he is right.

 

[Xupuzulla]

"Im not a simp of anyone"
"Female characters i like=GOOD"
"Characters i dont like=VERY BAD"
LMAO at least be honest with yourself,bro.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Game has interesting characters - Ivy and Emma, who are not given much attention.

Emma got enough attention for someone so fat and communist.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

"Im not a simp of anyone"
"Female characters i like=GOOD"
"Characters i dont like=VERY BAD"
LMAO at least be honest with yourself,bro.

You're distorted everything I wrote to suit your ideas.
These characters are simply NPCs, without their own personality, who display stereotypical type of people. To fill the game with kinky content and satisfy certain groups of people.
This is not called "good writing". This is called "fan service".
Fan service is a bad sign. Its purpose is to distract the audience from existing problems in the games.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Emma got enough attention for someone so fat and communist.

I listened to your point of view. Now go to the field.