VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.2 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[MF_DOOM]

The fact that you seem to believe that, demonstrates to me that you don't like Robert as character,

You are saying it like it's a bad thing.
EVERYBODY hates Robert as a character for good reasons.

 

[varpep]

He doesn't demand to have sex with her, in order to speak up. He tells her he'll do that, before anything happens between the two of them. The fact that you seem to believe that, demonstrates to me that you don't like Robert as character, and that's making you attribute stuff to him that never happened. You really should go back and play the content again.

He makes moves on her, because he fancies her. How else is he supposed to ask her out? You act like that's something obscene?

You say common decency. But there has to be a reason, why he should favour her over the other woman, who has worked there longer. If they have no connection, why would he do that?

I've never liked Robert since I've been playing this game. I never could articulate why. At first I thought it was because he was the first romantic rival we were introduced to. But I don't have the same issue with the other male characters. As insufferable Axel is, I don't dislike him. Mike is a cheating bastard yet I don't dislike him. Jeremy despite his playboy persona I can tolerate and he even has some redeeming qualities.

I think I finally figured out why I don't like him. Apart from the looks department (which is purely subjective), he's not really got much going on for him. He is incredibly shallow and has a terrible attitude. On top of that, he is also a massive A-hole. Every interaction that is not between him and Lena, he automatically cocks up. The first time playing as Ian I managed to placate him. The second time he shows up at Lena's art exhibition completely sober, he immediately mocks Perry's stutter. It has nothing to do with drink, he is just naturally unlikable which doesn't make him a bad person of course but the point still stands.

As for promising to help Lena out and not fulfilling his end of the bargain If Lena does not sleep with him just shows how shallow he is (Majority of the male cast are shallow as well so just not a knock on Robert). He offered to do it just so he could get some pussy in return, not from the kindness of his heart. Sure he didn't blackmail Lena but he is using his position of authority to lure Lena into sleeping with him. Sure he might not be obligated to speak on behalf of Lena, but the fact he didn't keep his promise doesn't do much good for portraying his character.

In other words, FUCK Robert!

 

[yuvce]

He doesn't demand to have sex with her, in order to speak up. He tells her he'll do that, before anything happens between the two of them. The fact that you seem to believe that, demonstrates to me that you don't like Robert as character, and that's making you attribute stuff to him that never happened. You really should go back and play the content again.

He makes moves on her, because he fancies her. How else is he supposed to ask her out? You act like that's something obscene?

You say common decency. But there has to be a reason, why he should favour her over the other woman, who has worked there longer. If they have no connection, why would he do that?

Her contract doesn't get renewed if she refuses to fuck him, even if she lets him down gently. Robert is an entitled douche who thinks the girl he likes owes him sex just cause he's "nice to her". These sort of men are a dime a dozen.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Sure he didn't blackmail Lena but he is using his position of authority to lure Lena into sleeping with him.

It's called coercion.

 

[Gicoo]

With Robert it was plainly stated that Eva makes him as bad and pathetic as possible. He is always put in a bad light and has the worst luck. I find it overbearing how much of a joke he is. He gets all possible negative traits of a pathetic partner because its soo funny every time Lena disses him. Could've been way subtler.

I like the angle of a relatively decent guy Lena can casualy date. He is well dressed, has a stable job (compare that with all the other losers in this game) and a active social live without much drama. Ultimately, Eva went for the Doug approach and made him and Lena incompatible, they don't have much to say to each other.
Another issue is the amount of quantive content he is given for someone designed to be a joke. If he is that much of a nothing character without potential, why is given the chance to get Holly? Probably we get an extremely awkward date and we can laugh about how much Robert failed.

Dunno, maybe Eva met someone like him and puts of all of her aggressions by constantly mocking him? He is pretty much the exact opposite of that perfect dream boyfriend, the perfect cringy sulky date.

 

[ffive]

Dunno, maybe Eva met someone like him and puts of all of her aggressions by constantly mocking him? He is pretty much the exact opposite of that perfect dream boyfriend, the perfect cringy sulky date.

The twist: it's EK's self-depreciating self-insert.

(i kid, i kid)

 

[Krysis_here]

I hate the character as well. Robert's Character first appears during the Pool Night ( Chapter 1 - Part 2 ) in the ending he is a Pathetic man, He was Beaten badly and the mood is off, Perry seems drunken, and When I keep Ian not drunken. Ian told him sorry three times and he seemed so much Shallow personality and full of himself that he wanted to fight over Perry and Ian, Even at that time He was also looking Drunken , he had a self-centered personality and he is made a Pathetic hating character...Nope, Robert is on my hating list from the start rest of the other fellow members stated

 

[MF_DOOM]

EK should make a spin-off sitcom like VN and call it "Everybody Hates Robert" and base it loosely on ORS and Everybody Loves Raymond.

 

[BlandChili]

I think the most hard done to person in this game is Robert. He's nowhere near as bad, as a lot of people make him out to be. He genuinely wants to be Lena's boyfriend, and he pretty much worships the ground she walks on. He just has this one issue with Perry early on, which Ian takes exception to. But to be fair, Perry often does some pretty daft stuff, and was just as drunk as Robert was at the time, and equally at fault. People who are drunk often do daft things, but it doesn't make them into bad people. Plus that was a pretty bad evening for Robert, having just been beaten up by Axel, after he defended Lena.

Ian totally overreacts and literally labels Robert as scum, on the basis of one poor drunken decision.

I don't really care about how Robert relates to Perry or Ian, I don't play Lena as having an interest in either of them either, but when you don't play to Robert's tune 100% the dude threatens Lena's job. That is not just creepy, corrupt and pathetic, it's simply just a turn off when you aren't that into non or dub-con.

Any chance Robert had with Lena for me went away right then.

 

[MF_DOOM]

I think the most hard done to person in this game is Robert. He's nowhere near as bad, as a lot of people make him out to be. He genuinely wants to be Lena's boyfriend, and he pretty much worships the ground she walks on. He just has this one issue with Perry early on, which Ian takes exception to. But to be fair, Perry often does some pretty daft stuff, and was just as drunk as Robert was at the time, and equally at fault. People who are drunk often do daft things, but it doesn't make them into bad people. Plus that was a pretty bad evening for Robert, having just been beaten up by Axel, after he defended Lena.

Ian totally overreacts and literally labels Robert as scum, on the basis of one poor drunken decision.

Being drunk doesn't make you daft, just shines light on your inner you.
Mocking stuttering people for their stutter is like mocking a blind guy for being blind, it's very meh.. And he did it again on the live drawing event without being drunk so it's no excuse.
Shitty people are just shitty people, that's about it.

 

[Blurpee69]

why is given the chance to get Holly? Probably we get an extremely awkward date and we can laugh about how much Robert failed.

While the second half of your statement is going to be 110% true, and we'll all continue to joke about how much of a loser Robert is.

To answer your question: it's to show how much Holly has "grown" under Ivy and Lena's tutorship. Robert is kind of like the ultimate casual fuck in this game. "I don't have anyone better to fuck right now, so I guess I'll fuck Robert" - Lena 90% of the time she is with Robert. So Holly having sex with him is to illustrate her growing sexuality AND that Lena and Ivy might not exactly have her best interests at heart since they know they're pairing her with a complete loser.

 

[Ilcoriglianese forte]

They don't actually have to fail. That only happens if you let them.

the game demands it if you want to have a wide choice of options, or you find yourself with a neutered game, so it's wider if the couple doesn't exist or if they conflict, I noticed that a world of scenes open up, if the dev had it wanted to focus on them as a path, he wouldn't have left much margin for error, a simple mistake is enough for Lena to become a slut.

 

[yuvce]

Another point about Robert. Even if Lena fucks him once just to keep her restaurant job, Seymour rescinds her contract later in the game anyway. Making Robert's path all the more pointless. He exists only for the player to bully him as much as possible. I reveled in calling Marcel to kick him out of the club.

 

[ScholarOfTheFirstSin]

With Robert it was plainly stated that Eva makes him as bad and pathetic as possible. He is always put in a bad light and has the worst luck. I find it overbearing how much of a joke he is. He gets all possible negative traits of a pathetic partner because its soo funny every time Lena disses him. Could've been way subtler.

I like the angle of a relatively decent guy Lena can casualy date. He is well dressed, has a stable job (compare that with all the other losers in this game) and a active social live without much drama. Ultimately, Eva went for the Doug approach and made him and Lena incompatible, they don't have much to say to each other.
Another issue is the amount of quantive content he is given for someone designed to be a joke. If he is that much of a nothing character without potential, why is given the chance to get Holly? Probably we get an extremely awkward date and we can laugh about how much Robert failed.

Dunno, maybe Eva met someone like him and puts of all of her aggressions by constantly mocking him? He is pretty much the exact opposite of that perfect dream boyfriend, the perfect cringy sulky date.

Your expresion while typing this

 

[Blurpee69]

the game demands it if you want to have a wide choice of options, or you find yourself with a neutered game, so it's wider if the couple doesn't exist or if they conflict, I noticed that a world of scenes open up, if the dev had it wanted to focus on them as a path, he wouldn't have left much margin for error, a simple mistake is enough for Lena to become a slut.

The game doesn't demand anything. EK goes out of the way to add decent loving routes as well as darker sluttier routes to ORS and GGGB. Personally, my favorite endings in GGGB are almost all the "good" endings, with Ash / Eva / Jess / Jack / Iris all being better off from where they started.

Do I have a bunch of variants of Chad Ian Slut Lena? Damn right I do,

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But so far my favorite path in ORS is a loving Ian / Allison, Lena / Holly encouraging Holly to be more confident while not letting Ivy influence her too much, pairing Emma and Perry, and trying to save Cindy / Wade.

 

[Leongen43]

I understand Robert's path is useless, so if Lena and Ian were in a relationship and she cheated on him with Robert, does that mean Ian would be an unwarranted cuckold?

 

[Krysis_here]

EK should make a spin-off sitcom like VN and call it "Everybody Hates Robert" and base it loosely on ORS and Everybody Loves Raymond.

After Looking at so many comments against Robert

Robert Right Now

 

[ffive]

EK should make a spin-off sitcom like VN and call it "Everybody Hates Robert" and base it loosely on ORS and Everybody Loves Raymond.

Also, "There's Nothing About Robert", a spin on "There's Something About Mary", coming this Summer to theatres near you.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

No, what happens to make me believe it is the fact if Lena rejects his advances which he initiates afterwards he doesn't put the word in for her like he said he would. His demand is carried through his actions and the consequences, not his words.

"I'll do you a favor" followed by getting handsy has clear implications to any adult who's worked with shit bosses. Why are we even pretending to be clueless about the nature of the deal here?


How else was he supposed to ask her out? Maybe without making it a condition to tell her what he claimed was important information regarding her work? I'm acting like it was a sleazy piece of blackmail, because it was.


You are now inventing something that's not there (or reverting the timeline) It's not a matter of choosing between Lena and another woman when Lena and Robert spoke. Lena's contract was supposed to be reduced/cut due to the mess caused by Axel:

    r "It seems Samantha overheard the chef and the staff chief talking the other day."
    l "About what?"
    r "About you."
    l "About me? Why?"
    r "Well, Friday's incident made quite a ruckus. People are talking about it..."
    l "Oh, God..."
    r "And the chief wasn't too thrilled about what happened on Thursday's service when they had to send you home early."
    l "But that wasn't my fault! None of it was..."
    r "Of course not, but I guess they're not too pleased with your personal life interfering with work..."

At no point it is claimed that it's supposed to be some sort of a choice between two workers. The "other worker" only pops up later as excuse why Lena had to be let go.

Also, as for why he should put the word in for Lena instead of the other worker -- maybe simply on professional level, because Lena is the best waitress they have, according to Robert himself?

Lena ultimately working at the restaurant, has nothing to do with Robert. Seymour decides he doesn't want her working there, after their meeting in Chapter 3. And it's after that, that her hours are reduced. Plus Seymour is actually having a meeting with Axel, when the first incident occurs, because we actually see him stood right next to Axel, before him and Lena start arguing. Isn't it just as likely that Seymour is behind it all from the beginning? Robert is just relaying something someone else overheard. So we don't know for certain who is really behind it, we're relying on some gossip that Robert has been told about.

Even if Lena knows Robert did put in a word for her, she still has her hours reduced. That's almost certainly Seymour trying to get her to leave. When she doesn't, he expresses his surprise that she's still there, and shortly after that she gets sacked. Robert even says at the time, he can't understand why they're reducing staff numbers, because they're short-staffed as it is. The clear implication, is that it's Seymour attempting to persuade Lena to go. But he wants her to choose to go, so that she can ultimately become reliant on the income he provides.

You say Robert doesn't put in a word for Lena, if they don't have sex. But how do you know that's the case, instead of Seymour overruling him, and deciding to get rid of Lena early? That could just as easily have happened, because Lena just assumes he didn't, being totally unaware at that point, that Seymour is actively trying to sabotage her earnings.

The scene you mention above has no relation to her contract being cut, that comes later, after Lena's meeting at the restaurant with Seymour, in Chapter 3. During the meeting, Seymour expresses surprise, that a girl like her is working as a mere waitress. The implication is, she should leave if she wants to be his model. From that moment on, it's Seymour and nobody else who is trying to get her out of the restaurant. Regardless of whether Robert puts in a word for her, she has no chance of keeping that job. And since nothing is related, beyond Lena's supposition, it's impossible to know either way.

You also say her going out with him, was a condition of him telling her important information about work, and that is your basis for him blackmailing her. Well since he didn't bring it up, till they were already on their date, that's obviously not the case is it? She goes out drinking with him to Shine, because she feels she owes him, for standing up for her, when Axel confronted them on the street. And Robert got beaten up. It has absolutely nothing to do, with anything remotely sleazy, as you seem to believe.

If she doesn't offer to take him out for drinks, which is pretty inconsiderate considering he got beaten up, trying to protect her. Then he brings up about the important information he needs to tell. But him saying, work is not the appropriate place to tell her, is completely reasonable, bearing in mind it's information he isn't supposed to know about. It's safe to assume the staff chief and the chef did not intend any of the other staff to hear their conversation. Robert is just being cautious by wanting to tell Lena outside the workplace. There's no reason to suspect as he has some devious motive, as you try to make out.

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Robert doesn't try to blackmail her. She either offers herself to take him out for drinks, because she wants to repay him for standing up to Axel. In which case, Robert only brings up the important information, after they've been chatting and flirting for a while. If Lena asks him out for drinks herself, it makes no sense that she would respond negatively to him, if he didn't give her any cause. Which means at the very least they would have had an amicable evening. And therefore it's not beyond the realms of possibility, to assume that Robert believed that the 'date' was going well, and that he was justified in believing that Lena might respond positively to an attempted kiss. If he got it wrong, well he wouldn't be the first guy to do that. It doesn't make him a bastard, it just makes him mistaken. Nothing more.

And if it goes the other way. Well a case could be made, that Lena isn't behaving very well, by taking Robert for granted. He risked getting seriously injured, and might expect at least some gratitude from her. Even if she doesn't like Robert, and she gives no indication prior to this, that that's the case, you would still expect her to make some kind of gesture as recompense. And if she doesn't, she's being pretty ignorant. So personally, the choice where she doesn't offer to go out for drinks, makes no sense whatsoever. From my perspective, that has to happen, because that's what Lena would do. So she does go out for drinks with him, and the other choice where she doesn't is irrelevant, because the real Lena would never do that

 

[ffive]

Lena ultimately working at the restaurant, has nothing to do with Robert.

Whether Lena gets her hours reduced or is let go has everything to do with Robert. It literally hinges on how the interactions between them play out:

    r "Lena, I have to talk to you..."
    if v2_robert_home or lena_robert_sex_late:
        l "You have news about my job situation?"
        r "Yes, we just had the meeting."
        l "So?"
        r "Well, there's good news and bad news."
        l "Bad news?"
        r "The good news is that they won't fire you."
// ...
    else:
//...
        r "Your contract is not being renewed. We're gonna let you go at the end of the month."

That's also how i know Robert doesn't put in a word for Lena, if they don't have sex. Because the outcome is different based on whether they do or not.

You also say her going out with him, was a condition of him telling her important information about work, and that is your basis for him blackmailing her. Well since he didn't bring it up, till they were already on their date, that's obviously not the case is it?

Robert explicitly brings it up before the "date" if Lena refuses his initial request. And he explicitly denies telling her until she agrees to go with him, if she asks him to tell her about it. That scenario is effectively a blackmail on Robert's part, if Lena isn't open to his advances from the get-go.

Simply put, Robert shows his scummy nature if he doesn't get things his way. That he doesn't reveal it if he does get things his way doesn't make him any less of a scum.

(he's similar to Seymour in this regard, in that Seymour will also appear pleasant and charming if Lena doesn't oppose him, but he won't hesitate to control and mess up her life to get what he wants from her the moment she does oppose him)

If she doesn't offer to take him out for drinks, which is pretty inconsiderate considering he got beaten up, trying to protect her.

This is literally the "'nice guy' thinks girl owes him [sex] for him being nice" mindset and the kind of thing people shit on Robert for. No, Lena isn't inconsiderate not wanting to go with Robert's sleazy request, no matter how he's acted before. And his request isn't any less sleazy due to it, if anything, that makes it even more of a turn off.