VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.14.1.4 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Canto Forte]

You either write your own story, where you choose to be the protagonist, or you stay sidelined, sidetracked,
a creep looking at others having fun.
In this game you have the luxury to become two different characters in making this game their story.
Should you wanna be a defetist about making this game the story of the protagonists they embody,
rather wanting to be a fly on the wall, the insignifficant creep looking at other NPCs going about their selfish business,
whine as you may, nothing will change the fact you guided your MC into the disgusting / unconfortable / bad scenes.

Whatever you choose, remember that the path you can actually influence is that of your MC, all others are kinetic.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

rather than the usual writing of males that is so swamped with a male gaze.

I dunno. Eva has stated numerous times that she will not be including the male gays in her erotic content.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

So the bug on Minerva's scanes was fixed? Nice, time to play again.

 

[DarknessDai]

so will Ian be able to date all the girls ? Emma had sex with Ian and Jeremey idk if we will be able to date her after this , plus what paths do u think we will have in the future ? i just wish we can have path for Ivy and turn her into good girl lol or Jessic she seems hot

 

[KirYn]

This erotic VN needs some male moaning in some of the sex scenes, not the lesbian ones, of course, because that would be weird. I want to hear Ian's orgasm groans!

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

I should have only specified in erotic/pornographic or amateur writing. But the reason why I said some male writers are able to "evolve" their writing is because a lot tend to have a very coarse writing when it comes to a character's sensuality and passive female characters. The context here is that a lot of male writers are transfixed in the usual male gaze of their writing. Female writers don't really "evolve" from male gaze do they? That is not to say that female writers don't have issues of their own. But it is disingenuous for you to accuse me of saying female writers aren't able to "evolve" in their writing when the context of evolve here relates to the male gaze. This is also not to say that I don't enjoy them but this is why one can perceive why something probably isn't written by a female. Compare the writing of the games in this site to smutty fanfic written by women.

That’s a reasonable clarification, but I don’t think it makes it any more warranted to claim that “he is no way a woman” with such a know-it-all attitude. I don’t know exactly what you consider the male gaze in ORS to consist of, but personally I think there’s distinctly less of that than in other similar games, and in porn culture in general—which is one of the things I like about the game. As Zedire and others have mentioned as well, a good writer will also understand how to write to reach their audience, and adapting to a male gaze should if anything be easier than the opposite, because it’s so dominant in so many areas of popular culture.

My first thought was that it is a joke
On second thought, maybe he is part of Holly's training? Ivy could show her how to seduce a guy and then make her watch them having sex and in the end participate. Ivy told Lena in Chapter 9 she should join them again for some fun so Lena could be part of it, too. Actually, that would be pretty hot.

Yeah, I don’t really see why it would be necessary to add them one episode in advance, so I assume Eva’s done it as some kind of teaser—or as a joke, as you mention. The remaster also had that new background art for the bathrooms at Marcel’s workplace… just sayin

 

[desmosome]

Marcel, on the other hand, is more of a mystery. I checked the interactions with him when I played the remaster: The first time is when Lena and Louise meet him together, and Louise thinks he's flirting with Lena, while Lena thinks he was only being friendly. He did call her "baby", though. The second time he recognises Lena as Ivy's friend, but not Louise (poor woman, always outshined by her friends). That's followed by the interaction where he shows some interest in Holly's writing, which ends in both of them introducing themselves to Marcel. That's it.

Anyone got an idea what we might see him involved in? It seems unlikely that Holly, even if she's influenced by Ivy, will get involved with a bouncer three times her size yet; she does literally hide behind Lena when they first meet him. I could see a night out at Blazer for Lena, where she's could end the night with several different partners depending on the playthrough—also including a spontaneous option to hook up with Marcel. But my guess would probably be something relating to Ivy: "What are you saying, Holly, you haven't gotten a single dick pic from Mark/Ian yet? You should just ask them, guys love sending pictures of their dicks. Let me send a text to that bouncer guy at the club, I guarantee you he'll send me his dick within a minute."

I don't think it's so complicated. If my memory is accurate, the variable was holly_marcel. That basically tells me that he will form some type of relationship with holly specifically. By comparison, the variable for the asian dude was holly_guy. This means Holly will get some more focused development with the bouncer. Asian dude could just be an off-screen things or minor phone pictures, while Marcel will likely get real scenes.

We could speculate on the nature of the scenes. The straightforward progression would be some BBC corruption. If that seems a bit heavy handed, I could totally see some subverted expectations with a gentle giant approach.

 

[WatsonJohn]

Even if it seems hard for you to understand there is much more diversity among men and women, both in terms of their own identity, their behaviour or choice of words. I thought that was a truism, but somehow these discussions keep coming up. There is absolutely no rulebook on how to speak correctly as a man or a woman, or how to experience or express sexuality. I think this is more important to you personally to somehow exert control and sort the world according to your own ideas, but it has nothing to do with Eva Kiss.

I never said that people aren't diverse in their writing but there is such commonality among a certain male writers which can be seen in decades of film, books, and other forms of media that writers and scholars have pointed out this phenomenon and have distinguished it as male gaze. Even female writers that have highly sexualized female characters tend not to have the same characteristics. Unless of course you think this phenomenon doesn't exist or that their observations are false. It's not about me "exerting my control" when there are literatures and scholarly works that discuss this.

I dunno. Eva has stated numerous times that she will not be including the male gays in her erotic content.

I don't think straight men generally like watching gay porn.

That’s a reasonable clarification, but I don’t think it makes it any more warranted to claim that “he is no way a woman” with such a know-it-all attitude. I don’t know exactly what you consider the male gaze in ORS to consist of, but personally I think there’s distinctly less of that than in other similar games, and in porn culture in general—which is one of the things I like about the game. As Zedire and others have mentioned as well, a good writer will also understand how to write to reach their audience, and adapting to a male gaze should if anything be easier than the opposite, because it’s so dominant in so many areas of popular culture.

I guess that can be possible. I find it odd that they would do that to their writing when it can be noted that even men can enjoy erotic writing of women while not adhering fully to the male gaze and that female writers don't generally do this. But sure maybe Eva Kiss can be the exception.

 

[dundun]

The remaster also had that new background art for the bathrooms at Marcel’s workplace… just sayin

That is already used in chapter 7, when Ivy orders Lena to follow her to the bathroom to check her Stalkfap and use MDMA. There is also a new background outside the blazer. So it is not really a hint that things might happen there, just a missing background added, like the mall.

 

[jimmyjambles]

I hve said something about it a while back. Most of games where girls are protagonists all the guys around are dicks, If you take this game as an example, most of guys wanna take her by force. Axel tried, Robert as well and the old fucker. And when she rejected them, at least 2 of them tried to fuck her life. She lost her job at the restaurant and now the old fucker wants to end her life for not wanting to be submissive ot him.

Despite that she can't get a good job other than a job where she has to sell her body. It shows no respect for women at all. That is why any chance I get I turn my girls into lesbians. It is not even because I am a man and I love girls, it is because the choices these games gives are all the worst. No decent human beings. And if the girl wanna succeed in their life they have to corrupt themselves and become sluts. It is like if women has nothing of value other than their bodies.

For me, the struggles with predation in a male-dominated society are actually what make Lena a much more compelling character than Ian. Perspectives like hers rarely emerge in games, TV, or film, and the literary forms are pretty niche. Her background also comes into the foreground with Axel's presence, creating continuity and dimensions, while Ian largely emerges from the mists with a fully-formed group of friends and no real pressures beyond a dysfunctional boss whose attitude towards him can be ignored without any lasting consequences. He even has the luxury to spend hours writing his magnum opus -- when he's not drowning in tail.

It seems as though he would have been better positioned as a non-playable love interest for Lena, as I don't think he has enough texture for us to see the world through his eyes. The view from his window just isn't that interesting. I never find myself saying, "Man, how is he going to dig himself out of this hole?" Whereas Lena is always behind the 8-ball.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I don't think straight men generally like watching gay porn.

Fair enough. But if Eva's a straight man, that's one straight man unusually obsessed with Jeremy's big black penis.

 

[Bloom12345]

I tried it. Didn't work. Could you tell what you picked for her dialog, please?

There is also a choice to sit or keep standing(keep standing) in one of their conversations.

 

[Bloom12345]

Oh boy, wat if Seymour is Lena's dad.......

 

[Innovative maniac]

Is it only me or does it's seems like Ian get heavily ntl' ed? Poor guy is already at bottom end why not kick him more.

 

[desmosome]

Is it only me or does it's seems like Ian get heavily ntl' ed? Poor guy is already at bottom end why not kick him more.

Why did you make him get NTRed?

 

[Skylark21]

It's always funny how some people put their characters in a certain situations (which could be completely avoided) intentionally only to cry like a bitch about it later.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

I don't think it's so complicated. If my memory is accurate, the variable was holly_marcel. That basically tells me that he will form some type of relationship with holly specifically. By comparison, the variable for the asian dude was holly_guy. This means Holly will get some more focused development with the bouncer. Asian dude could just be an off-screen things or minor phone pictures, while Marcel will likely get real scenes.

We could speculate on the nature of the scenes. The straightforward progression would be some BBC corruption. If that seems a bit heavy handed, I could totally see some subverted expectations with a gentle giant approach.

Ah, I had forgotten that there’s an actual variable for it—thanks for pointing out.

That is already used in chapter 7, when Ivy orders Lena to follow her to the bathroom to check her Stalkfap and use MDMA. There is also a new background outside the blazer. So it is not really a hint that things might happen there, just a missing background added, like the mall.

Sure, but we also know that the background art is expensive and that Eva’s mentioned that she has to be restrictive on how many she adds. The mall and Blazer exteriors are already frequently used, and I doubt she would’ve added one just for the one MDMA scene.

 

[Olsens.M]

Much like GGGB, this game has themes of corruption and sexual depravity. It is a fact in our society that women tend to be sexualized more (even at a prepubescent age or even younger, unfortunately) so in a game that deals with corruption, you would expect women to be corrupted. People aren't really interested in men being sexually corrupted because there is less or no taboo of men being highly sexual creatures in our society, unlike women. Also consider the fact that this game is made with a male gaze and thus, even if this is a game that lets you control two different characters that are opposite in sex and promises to involve both male and female perspective, it still largely follows a male sexual fantasy rather than a female one. This leads me to my next point which may be a bit controversial.
People here refer to Eva Kiss, the developer of this game as "she" or "her". If you saw some of my comments in this thread, you will notice that I am subtlety alluding to or implying that the developer is not a woman at all. Now I'm going to lose that subtlety and say explicitly that "Eva Kiss" is definitely a guy. I don't know why people here are using a female pronoun to refer to the developer, maybe it's because of the name or maybe the developer told them that he is a she, but he is no way a woman. To be honest, it doesn't really matter whatever their gender is, but it can be deceiving if the game is marketed as having made with a female sensibility that lets women enjoy a porn game without the overbearing male gaze. I have read a lot of books, including erotic ones and I can definitely see when a writing is not written by a woman. There is just that undertone in a writing that makes me know if something is not made with a female hand. Now to be clear, I'm not saying that I know when something is made by a woman, only that I know when something is not made by a woman, and that's because some male writers have evolved their writing and have a more nuanced sensibility rather than the usual writing of males that is so swamped with a male gaze. I enjoy reading both, but it is important to know why a certain writing is such.

You got my point. I also see a lot of people saying Eva Kiss is a she, because "she" told somewhere that she was a female, but I also see everything in this game as I saw in the first game GGGB, a male writing. Even if Eva is trully a girl, it would have been nice to play the female protagonist from a female perspective not from a male one. Would be even nicer if Lena had more options for a non corruption path other than Ian.

If Lena had just similar choices as Ian has it would have been perfect.

The problem is, doesn't matter how much you enjoy some person's work, if you say at any moment "this could be better" or "this could be different", a lot of people will try to shoot you. And tell you to get the f out. We can not make a criticism or express an adverse idea, because people will get tilted.

 

[Antho_59_Savage]

Can someone help my game doesn't want to start, it load until the end and then nothing

 

[CoalPhelps]

Even if Eva is trully a girl, it would have been nice to play the female protagonist from a female perspective not from a male one. Would be even nicer if Lena had more options for a non corruption path other than Ian.

How does the lack of decent relationship options turn a perspective from female to male?