VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[Mtmtmt007]

You can speak for yourself. I don't get bored of IanxLena because of the writing. The writing can make the scene super hot even when you're just looking at a static 2D image, which is actually just a traced screenshot with some coloring.

There are plenty of games of much better sexier graphics but people keep coming back to this game for the writing, drama, and engaging characters.

I agree that recycled scenes will quickly become boring, but I don't see anything wrong with reusing assets when the writing can change the context of the scene.

I agree with you about writing personally I think that Eva's writing of the sex scene is best in whole avn genre but in this game Eva's art game is on whole another level that's why I'm always excited about which art she is gonna use and in this update we got some completely new scenes like jess, 70% of the allison scene is also new but Cindy and cherry's scene had reused art if you ask me if it was the other way around and allison scene was the reused one and Cindy got the mostly new art than I wouldn't mind reused art but girls that I like got reused art that was the problem for me but I don't mind reused art for epilogue and prologue but I hope in full chapter we get all new scenes.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

The only reason Ian exists in this game is to be cucked by the real mc
I would sissify him given half a chance and lock him in a room with Axel

Would be a fitting end for this fop

Alternatively, I'd love a scene where you could lock marcel and axel in a room and forcibly dildo their butts till they cried.

That would be the ending that would really tilt all the "ive been picked on all my life but at least this canon makes sense" types.

You can speak for yourself. I don't get bored of IanxLena because of the writing. The writing can make the scene super hot even when you're just looking at a static 2D image, which is actually just a traced screenshot with some coloring.

There are plenty of games of much better sexier graphics but people keep coming back to this game for the writing, drama, and engaging characters.

I agree that recycled scenes will quickly become boring, but I don't see anything wrong with reusing assets when the writing can change the context of the scene.

IanxLena writing is handily the worst in the game. Ian is a charicature of a self-doubting, self-loathing 20-30yo, and Lena a charicature of a manipulative, disengeuinous version of the same.

All the characters that COULD be interesting are pidgeonholed into secondary roles; like Wade or Emma.


seperately,

The only double standard here is thinking that Lena who doesn't conform to one "healthy path" is automatically "a whore" while you're giving Ian far more leeway in this regard, without branding him as "a whore" as well.

This sounds like someone who's never read the lenaXian relationship code and made note of whose conditions are embedded inside whose.

It's pretty obvious how the characters differ.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

For what it's worth, the variable which stores this choice is documented as follows:

default v12_cindy_rel = 0                # How Ian handles the conversation w/cindy (ian_cindy_love: 2-set boundaries/1-trust her/0-breakup) /// (ian_cindy_dating: 3-confess love/ 2-play it cool/1-tense/0-breakup)

So, the option to "set some ground rules" is apparently there, although perhaps the way EK chooses to deliver it is different from how you'd have done it. The option in question is

            "{image=icon_charisma.webp}Play it cool" if ian_charisma > 7 or ian_charisma > 6 and ian_chad > 3:

followed by

            "{image=icon_wits.webp}You're playing with me..." if ian_wits > 7 or ian_wits > 6 and v12_cindy_rel == 1 or ian_wits > 5 and v12_cindy_rel == 2:

Agree 100%. Though the player can vary the amount of affection or lust Ian has for Cindy, and his intentions concerning her on a sliding scale of wanting to be a committed couple down to just a booty call, Cindy's response since chapter 9 has been consistent: she's having fun with Ian, she isn't thinking long-term, and avoids doing so whenever Ian brings it up. The game does NOT, as of yet, treat them as a couple. Cindy may decide she wants to be one later, depending on Ian's choices, but so far she is waffling big time, and that's why I think the way Ian presents his concerns about Axel may be a real turning point in the game for that relationship. What I didn't expect is what ffive found in the source code, where the middle-of-the-road wits option, to express his concern firmly but without accusations, is given a "higher" score (2) versus just trusting her (1) versus getting angry at her (0). ffive said it may be a form of "setting ground rules" in a different way than we may expect, and that's certainly true for me. I would have expected the just trusting her option to be given a 2 and expressing concerns to be given a 1. But that makes me even more interested to see the different routes Eva takes the choice, because Cindy is so sensitive (let's be honest: oversensitive!) to any boundaries at all. But I agree, for those wishing and hoping for a real IanxCindy ending with them going off into the sunset deeply in love... the game just does not present that as a reasonable option at the moment.

Ah. Ok. I didn't look at the code myself this time so didn't realize that was an option. I just got "Play it cool", "I don't like it" and "WhAt AbOuT wAdE?!?!?" where clearly both 2 and 3 seemed to be the wrong choices in this instance (I mean... #3 after you just stuck your dick in his girlfriend... again. lol). Followed by a greyed out "Confess Love" and an available "You'll be great" in the next set of choices. I wasn't playing from a Cindy save (just encountered the scene through the same bug everyone else had) so I assume the game checked for love stats and determined the relationship was just casual, hence the option not coming up.

I assume the concerned but non-accusatory option comes after that point when available. It did seem like a best-approach scenario option was missing and that must've been why.


Well... that is unless you mean the ideal scenario as per the code comes from "I don't like it". In that case, I don't think it's a well selected choice of words to anticipate what Ian will say next. At that point it becomes more of an arbitrary guessing-game than intutitively making the right choice, since that choice description connotes a negative response from him without much of any nuance. If that was, in fact, the best-scenario choice option, Eva could've used a more exacting choice of words to describe what that dialogue option entailed. Something along the lines of supportive but concerned, maybe.

 

[Badboll]

All the characters that COULD be interesting are pidgeonholed into secondary roles; like Wade or Emma.

well thats what you call an opinion to me Emma and Wade are completely uninteresting. Minerva to me is also a waste of time.
While I agree with you that IanxLena is probably the worst part of this game in many ways and when the game is done, I am probably going to play IanxHolly route first and Lena the massive slut on the side.
But Holly doesn't really get enough love from Eva in my opinion. Cindy is also ok but that route needs way more work before it's good.
I don't think I have played Lena as anything but a whore so I can't speak to how she is if you play her faithful to Ian.
I just have a feeling your playthrough is going to be really boring if you play it that way. Maybe the dialogue changes a bit.
But Lena was definitely a slut before the game even began, she was pretty much Axels sex slave. Which she would still be right now if she didn't find out he boned Cherry. Ian is the only one you can make a choice for out of the two if you want him to be a manwhore or not. Lena's just very possessive of anyone she has sex with, she can bone anyone and everything while dating Ian and still get mad Ivy sleeps with the DJ. Makes absolutely no sense to me anyway. If she's dating Ian she should not be mad at anyone else for sleeping with someone that's not Ian. If she's not dating Ian she should still not be mad at Ivy for sleeping with someone that she's not even dating. But I guess Lena is going to figure that out herself given the choices presented there.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I don't think I have played Lena as anything but a whore so I can't speak to how she is if you play her faithful to Ian.
I just have a feeling your playthrough is going to be really boring if you play it that way. Maybe the dialogue changes a bit.

Yup, it's fairly boring.

My bigger issue is the contrast in dialogue between different playstyles; if you play Ian as a supposed "Chad player", he still has these whiny insecure introspectives, like "Well, I probably should come clean about my other relationship to her" whereas Lena has the exact opposite in the same situation, stuff like "He'll never know how much I think about Axel/Mike". In other words, you CAN play the game as an Ian player and Lena faithful, but everything feels off in the dialogue, and it's pretty obvious what the "canon" is meant to be.

Indeed, I do wish Holly had more, and I always look forward to new Alison stuff. The jeremy interactions are a low point for me with that group - the far more interesting stuff is when Alison is separate from this whole group of low lifes.

 

[Sethmsf]

I have several routes saved and for me the most fun and rewarding by far is loyal Lena x loyal Ian.
My Lena on said route does not have strange thoughts or anything like that and enjoy being a slut for Ian; In the end the game offers you dozens of alternatives and it is up to each person to choose which paths to follow according to their taste, there are no better or worse ones.

 

[Chartog]

is there a galley unlocker?

is there any alison scenes ???

Yes

 

[Rickster82]

In terms of content or the amount of content, this is perhaps the weakest update or chapter so far.

 

[camube]

Well, in chapter 1 she already tells Stan that Axel was unfaithful to her and betrayed her like that... In chapter 2 she tells her mother on the phone that Axel cheated on her and lied to her many times and shortly after she decides to call him on the phone and she reproaches him for it; What we don't know is that it was with Cherry until that moment that she mentioned.

time for a replay then probably to refresh my memory

 

[Zara Scarlet]

because Lena behaves like a nymphomaniac for 90% of the game,
Ian on the other hand fucks but with due exigency he is not a pussy psychopath like Jeremi, for example in the game despite his flashiness, Ivy is less, but much less of a slut than Lena, the sickest ones in this game are Jeremy and Lena, daughter others for better or worse are normal, excluding someone else, but the two mentioned are the most disgusting, whether I choose the path, Lena always has the streak of a slut, and I tell you that to make her be loyal, you have to do only one precise path, because at a small mistake she immediately becomes slutty.

She only behaves like a nympho if you choose for her to be one. What part of making a choice don't you get?

You also claim that 90% of the game she acts like a nympho. The most times Lena can have sex in any one playthrough, is 30 times. Of that she can have sex with Ian on 12 occasions. Therefore, even if she cheats on him as much as she can, and has sex as many times as she could with other people before they started dating, it still only represents 60%. So I'm afraid you're way out with that figure.

In any case, if Ian has sex with all the women he can. He's having like twice as much sex as Jeremy. Jeremy is fucking Louise, Alison, Emma and eventually Lena. Whereas Ian is fucking Lena, Cindy, Alison, Emma, Cherry, Louise and Minerva. And he's actively pursuing Ivy and Jessica. Lena can be having sex with Ian, Robert, Mike, Axel, Marcel, Jeremy, Louise, Holly and Ivy. So slightly more than Ian, but not massively so as you would have us believing.

There is no real difference between Ian and Lena, except in your imagination.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Yup, it's fairly boring.

My bigger issue is the contrast in dialogue between different playstyles; if you play Ian as a supposed "Chad player", he still has these whiny insecure introspectives, like "Well, I probably should come clean about my other relationship to her"

Yup, he's definitely a fledgling author lol

 

[Sethmsf]

And with bad Jess Ian can score in this prologue

 

[ffive]

This sounds like someone who's never read the lenaXian relationship code and made note of whose conditions are embedded inside whose.

It's pretty obvious how the characters differ.

el oh el.

I don't want to presume anything, so please, tell me how do you think handling of these characters so obviously differs in the game script?

 

[| Vee |]

For those who wondering about how we will know if AxelxCindy is would be on Cindy's trip or not, by by these means

1. Cindy may come from her trip as Axel's GF(low chance) or changed as we see Alison but not like Alison.
2. Cindy may be going on same yacht and beaches where Lena is going and they may be rivals competing for same project or a collab/joint photoshoot session
3. we may hear from Cindy that she's breaking up with Wade and got a date with Axel next week (after coming from trip).

Can't think of anymore(yawning).

4. Cindy may post something on her social media or if Lena an Ivy are on same yacht and beaches Ivy may post something or tells Ian after the trip

 

[Hahn1900]

Well... iam not a fan of alphas/betas and such, most of the tiome i avoid to play those... i got bored and thought "ah what the fuck its ORS"

Started chapter 11 again for my Lena/Ian route, and came to chapter 12... so far so good, Ian goes to the mall, buys a nice gift for Lena thinking about Gillian for a moment and so on and than out of nowhere Ian visits Cindy and they fucked... huh? In this playthrough Ian didnt do anything with Cindy. She throws him out before the Axel Photoshoot and thats it... so, Bug it is. Will just skip the scene and hope its just one bug without consequences, but that is some major bug here.

So... yeah... its a reminder to not do alphas/betas and such again. I recommend everyone to just wait for the final release.

 

[| Vee |]

1. I think the only way that happens is if Ian completely ignores Cindy and Wade's problems and doesn't pursue anything sexual or romantic with Cindy.
2. Thank fuck I'm not going to find out because my Lena rejected Billy's proposition. The guy is obnoxious and talks out of his ass.
3. Much like option 1, it should in theory, be based on the choices made by the player. But if Axel is still lamenting over Lena even after getting Cindy... then he needs the ass whooping of a lifetime. As if he doesn't need one already.

IMO Billy's trip will be a just a porno trope nothing more(forgot who already mentioned about going deep in porn industry).

What I think will be interesting to see is if Lena is a druggie but faithful and/or just lesbian how will she restrain herself, with Ivy perhaps?

 

[Zara Scarlet]

I don't think I have played Lena as anything but a whore so I can't speak to how she is if you play her faithful to Ian.
I just have a feeling your playthrough is going to be really boring if you play it that way

Basically, you miss out a lot of sex scenes, and just get the existing scenes with Ian. It also depends on whether you allow Lena to have sex with Louise, Holly and Ivy, because apart from one scene with Ivy, the game doesn't seem to class those scenes as cheating.

The main difference though, is it forces Lena to do without Seymour's money. And his animosity towards her, means that she's blacklisted from virtually every modelling job in Baluart. So Lena really has to make money wherever she can.

If you open up their relationship though, then it presents the possibility of them having threesomes, depending on what Ian and Lena said were their sexual fantasies, during Ivy's birthday party. So far this has led to a threesome with Louise, if Ian and Lena said they both wanted a threesome with another woman. But if Lena fantasises about having sex with two guys, after that threesome she asks Ian if he'd be willing to do that for her, and Ian says he'll think about it. So I assume that's going to become an option down the line ( and I can't imagine it will be anybody but Jeremy). So with an open relationship, it increases the sex options, whilst remaining technically faithful.

 

[Xupuzulla]

The only reason Ian exists in this game is to be cucked by the real mc
I would sissify him given half a chance and lock him in a room with Axel

Would be a fitting end for this fop

Based.
We all know Lena is the real mc,even the patreon polls show this.
The tournament,the book contest,all a charade for the real canon path.
The loser simp cuck Ian path.

 

[| Vee |]

For what it's worth, the variable which stores this choice is documented as follows:

default v12_cindy_rel = 0                # How Ian handles the conversation w/cindy (ian_cindy_love: 2-set boundaries/1-trust her/0-breakup) /// (ian_cindy_dating: 3-confess love/ 2-play it cool/1-tense/0-breakup)

So, the option to "set some ground rules" is apparently there, although perhaps the way EK chooses to deliver it is different from how you'd have done it. The option in question is

            "{image=icon_charisma.webp}Play it cool" if ian_charisma > 7 or ian_charisma > 6 and ian_chad > 3:

followed by

            "{image=icon_wits.webp}You're playing with me..." if ian_wits > 7 or ian_wits > 6 and v12_cindy_rel == 1 or ian_wits > 5 and v12_cindy_rel == 2:

Alright so it seems in ian_cindy_love you can get v12_cindy_rel = 2 (setting boundries) max and on ian_cindy_dating you can get v12_cindy_rel = 3 (confessing love) or v12_cindy_rel = 2 (playing it cool). That means the path of both ian_cindy_love and ian_cindy_dating
at v12_cindy_rel = 2 would be same down the line but if EK wants to keep them separate than she will use check ian_cindy_love.

Ian playing it cool may not be endangered it seems.
Now this would be interesting to see if that will be the case. What do you think?

 

[rainnnnnn]

so the beta will have Lena content?
or is this the end of the update?