VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[dolfe67]

The Ian/lena relationship is forced since it's kinda the main plot of the game. But if you can't manage to write bad relationship between them, don't give choices to do that and not reflect it later on

 

[Andrea9999]

I hope you did not choke yourself while playing them

Well these games are required by law, if applicable, to state plainly that they contain choking hazards. Little parts, you know, can be choking hazards.

 

[ffive]

The Ian/lena relationship is forced since it's kinda the main plot of the game. But if you can't manage to write bad relationship between them, don't give choices to do that and not reflect it later on

The relationship score is something that ORS doesn't use much in general. About the only cases where it comes into play that i can remember are minor text variations about Ivy and Jeremy (from Lena and Ian, respectively) and some options for Lena re: Axel.

It's probably a feature that made sense when EK was planning the game, but then it turned out too generic to be really useful, and the game uses dedicated flags to track the state of various relationships instead.

 

[GokutheG]

The relationship score is something that ORS doesn't use much in general. About the only cases where it comes into play that i can remember are minor text variations about Ivy and Jeremy (from Lena and Ian, respectively) and some options for Lena re: Axel.

It's probably a feature that made sense when EK was planning the game, but then it turned out too generic to be really useful, and the game uses dedicated flags to track the state of various relationships instead.

It also prevents Lena from opening up to Ian about Axel if you don't let Lena kiss Ian during the earlier dates.

 

[Socrambus]

The Ian/lena relationship is forced since it's kinda the main plot of the game. But if you can't manage to write bad relationship between them, don't give choices to do that and not reflect it later on

We have to be reasonable to what realistically can be developed, this is not Baldur's Gate 3. You can't make Ian leave Perry's house even if their relationship is bad or just tell Jeremy to fuck off and not seeing him anymore either. Same thing for Lena with Louise, Stan and Ivy. If you want total freedom, play a tabletop RPG with a good DM. Writing and development are already quite messy with the current pre-determined points to choose different paths and how different decisions mix. If anything, I would suggest to cut out some NPC paths like Cherry, Robert or Jess. They don't bring out a lot to the table, it would simplify things and allow more focus on the other paths.

 

[ffive]

I would suggest to cut out some NPC paths like Cherry, Robert or Jess.

I'm neutral on Jess, but Robert is hilarious and a lovely hate target, and Cherry brings interesting dynamics with her association with Lena and Axel. Not to mention she provides some actual alternative in the early game for people who aren't interested in getting their Ian involved with Alison and all that entails.

 

[Gicoo]

Jess storyline is really detached from the rest of the game and doesn't even have much to offer. Ian barely knows her and the novelty of her being a character from the prequel wears off quickly.

With Robert its just weird how much scenes he got, considering Lena just sees him as a very replacable casual hook-up. Giving him the Doug treatment and just dropping him early on would be valid.

Cherrys storyline stalls a bit and she is also a bit isolated from the rest of the cast, but at least there is some beef with Lena and Axel. I was a bit puzzled that she didn't do anything with Axel when they met during Ivys birthday. That could at least give more drama.

 

[ffive]

With Robert its just weird how much scenes he got, considering Lena just sees him as a very replacable casual hook-up.

Robert's route gets love path options if Lena keeps fucking him. :hidethepain:

 

[Socrambus]

I'm neutral on Jess, but Robert is hilarious and a lovely hate target, and Cherry brings interesting dynamics with her association with Lena and Axel. Not to mention she provides some actual alternative in the early game for people who aren't interested in getting their Ian involved with Alison and all that entails.

I was not talking about retroactively cut out those characters, just cut out future content. I agree that Cherry could have brought interesting dynamics, but for whatever reason she hasn't. Maybe I will be proven wrong in future updates but there has been quite some time since the Lena/Cherry/Axel drama was revealed and so far Cherry's past association with Axel is not that different to what Lena's already brings out. And don't make me talk about her as a LI for Perry, that's just plainly wrong.

Robert probably outlived his uselfulness after his second fight with Ian. Robert as a legit LI for Lena is a joke.

 

[ffive]

I agree that Cherry could have brought interesting dynamics, but for whatever reason she hasn't. Maybe I will be proven wrong in future updates but there has been quite some time since the Lena/Cherry/Axel drama was revealed and so far Cherry's past association with Axel is not that different to what Lena's already brings out.

Ian has potentially just broke up with Lena so he could be with Cherry. I imagine in this scenario we'll see more of these 4 interacting soon, now that the beach trip is done. Since the stage for them was set.

If Ian and Cherry didn't establish relationship, then her presence will be likely indeed limited down the road. Although she may make independent appearance if Lena gets back to Axel, which is also potentially a very recent development.

Robert as a legit LI for Lena is a joke.

As much as i laugh at it, having Robert as actual RO is interesting, because you don't often see a route with character who is noticeably just mediocre/flawed as genuine option. It makes the game more grounded, in that he's basically your average guy that's like the most of them.

 

[Blurpee69]

Jess storyline is really detached from the rest of the game and doesn't even have much to offer. Ian barely knows her and the novelty of her being a character from the prequel wears off quickly.

Jess' storyline is detached from everyone else's, excepting possibly Ivy in the future. But it's actually been kind of a fun back burner storyline for Bad Jess. She starts wearing good Jess clothes if Ian treats her like a human rather than objectifying her as a pornstar. It's just a cute little side story. It will be interesting to see if she comes back at all if Ian did take advantage of her at his apartment, but personally I'm quite content with the content (sorry for the heteronym non English speakers) she has received for a redemption arc in this game.

This is getting into wishful thinking / actually adding mostly useless content. But I do wish that Jack had been added a tad earlier so that he could be given a similar back burner story that Jess has received. I think it would have made for a better alternate to Axel, since Axel comes with a lot more dubious consent, which understandably might make some uncomfortable.

Cherrys storyline stalls a bit and she is also a bit isolated from the rest of the cast, but at least there is some beef with Lena and Axel. I was a bit puzzled that she didn't do anything with Axel when they met during Ivys birthday. That could at least give more drama.

Once again you're right. Cherry's content did stall for a bit. But, I think she has one of the more interesting and mature romances, for Ian, outside of Lena's. We don't know for a fact she didn't do anything with Axel; if Ian isn't pursuing her, she very well may have. ffive is likely on to something that a Cherry sans Ian could show up again in a Lena / Axel route. Which would make for a very interesting development. Especially if Cindy is also starting to get involved. Axel could secretly be the typical male MC from another game

 

[Xupuzulla]

I dont know why you people are complaining about Robert,his role now is only being one of the many men of the Holly harem

 

[ffive]

Axel could secretly be the typical male MC from another game

 

[Andrea9999]

Axel could secretly be the typical male MC from another game

True, but that would imply that we were all side characters in that game. I am not sure I could devise a measurement that could either prove or falsify that thesis.

 

[mommysboiii]

I tried Ian and Lena having low relationship points (reaching red angry emoji in stats). It didn't affect the story much. While relationship stat on other characters remain reflective on the story, Ian and Lena still remained good friends despite the stat not reflecting this. This seems an oversight that could be fixed. While it's hard to expect that EK is going to fix this, it really wouldn't affect the other paths should this be given attention. In a fixed path where Ian and Lena have a bad relationship, there should be different dialogue reflecting their bad blood and less scenes where Ian and Lena are talking. A potential for this is Lena can cuck Ian with Holly earlier, not caring that Ian is dating her and only wants Holly for herself. The scene where Lena kisses Holly in her room while Holly is dating Ian would actually make sense.

Does the affection system not work with all cheracters ??

Like anyone tried to have a terrible relationship with ivy for example? She still talks/best friends with lena even if angry face I guess ....

Like playing nerd shy ian and lena as a nerd and a couple and lena hates ivy angry relationship... does this effect ivy interaction at all like she flirts more with ian or something?

 

[mommysboiii]

Jess storyline is really detached from the rest of the game and doesn't even have much to offer. Ian barely knows her and the novelty of her being a character from the prequel wears off quickly.

With Robert its just weird how much scenes he got, considering Lena just sees him as a very replacable casual hook-up. Giving him the Doug treatment and just dropping him early on would be valid.

Cherrys storyline stalls a bit and she is also a bit isolated from the rest of the cast, but at least there is some beef with Lena and Axel. I was a bit puzzled that she didn't do anything with Axel when they met during Ivys birthday. That could at least give more drama.

Hope jess has like likr possiblities

-Like a bittersweat one were she starts trust ian and they get in a relationship but ivy/ lena are on a bad path with photo shoots/drugs/billy and pull her down with them like she gets back in drugs/porn after being happy for short time

- aactually happy romance option

-a friendship option like ian and her being best buddys....

I am courious about jess and what options we get ....

 

[mommysboiii]

Robert's route gets love path options if Lena keeps fucking him. :hidethepain:

I love robert my lena use him as punch bag and sleeps with him

Also holly use him as dildo aswell

Robert is hilerious espacilly if that loser beats ian up

 

[mommysboiii]

I was not talking about retroactively cut out those characters, just cut out future content. I agree that Cherry could have brought interesting dynamics, but for whatever reason she hasn't. Maybe I will be proven wrong in future updates but there has been quite some time since the Lena/Cherry/Axel drama was revealed and so far Cherry's past association with Axel is not that different to what Lena's already brings out. And don't make me talk about her as a LI for Perry, that's just plainly wrong.

Robert probably outlived his uselfulness after his second fight with Ian. Robert as a legit LI for Lena is a joke.

I tought perry chad path was a myth

After last update I am like 30/70 on perry chad path maybe ...perry learns to fly

I am more sure in wade getting his revenge/ chad arc on ian

 

[mommysboiii]

Jess' storyline is detached from everyone else's, excepting possibly Ivy in the future. But it's actually been kind of a fun back burner storyline for Bad Jess. She starts wearing good Jess clothes if Ian treats her like a human rather than objectifying her as a pornstar. It's just a cute little side story.

Oh I am very interested in jess dates ian or starts likr her

But what influance can bad lena/ivy have on her brcause not many friends and if lena and ivy start going downhill like billy/drugs.....

Will this be a bittersweet ian / jess posibilitie

 

[Blurpee69]

Oh I am very interested in jess dates ian or starts likr her

But what influance can bad lena/ivy have on her brcause not many friends and if lena and ivy start going downhill like billy/drugs.....

Will this be a bittersweet ian / jess posibilitie

I mean... Lena and Ivy have actually had very little interaction with Jess. Though I'd be curious to see their thoughts on her change if / when they interact with her again. I think a Lena that has mostly been good excepting a fling with Robert early on would actually be the most interesting.