VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch. 13.2 Alpha] [Eva Kiss]

[CWIPS]

What are all these updates that have no changelog? Are they just updating prior content and there's no new content at all?

 

[por12]

im glad my grandchildren will be able to play chapter 18.3 closed final beta

 

[HNH1985]

I agree with what you say, but it's all because Eva has lost her passion for what she does. When she released one version within two or three months, she was doing what she did with passion. Then she took a long break and said, "Updates take a long time. From now on, I will release updates every month under the name Alpha - Beta and Final versions." Later, these times doubled and the content rate in each update decreased by half. And finally, she started to release separate updates for Ian and separate updates for Lena. Each update takes an average of five or six months and the content is half less than previous updates.

And now, since she had difficulty in finding content, she started to conduct a poll and add the option with the highest votes as a scene in the game. This exactly means, "I have nothing left to add to this work, I will continue it according to your wishes."

When the writer starts to shape the story he wrote according to the wishes of others, his passion for that work disappears. And over time, this situation turns into "You gave me this much money, you asked me to draw this, take it and continue like this." Unfortunately, it will no longer make sense to expect the old quality from this game.

According to that the dev should try to figure some ending before game failed due to insufficient support

 

[varpep]

Welp. The cat's out the bag

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[mickster101]

Has anyone written a guide to get the most NTR out of a game run? I have gotten what has to be Ian's dream ending, so I wanted to travel the other path.

 

[Kaelric]

That's like 99% of the games on the site lmao. Indie game dev takes a lot of time.

no it's just that if the game is successfull, dev will take more and more time between patch to milk their patrons.

Because they want more content and of course it take time to render it or because they are just lazy and it's free money

 

[Skylark21]

According to that the dev should try to figure some ending before game failed due to insufficient support

Insufficient support? I don't think EK would be too worried about that. It's only people on F95 here who are bitching about the update, her Patrons or atleast most them are rather chill about it so far, infact this update is right up their alley.

 

[notstaged]

I believe the best decision, for the future of ORS, would be to kill Lena's POV. I understand it would be extremely controversial and possibly deter a lot of people from playing the game.

It would deter a lot of people from paying for the game. Your point is well argued and I think some of the things you said already been brought up one way or the other, but I honestly just don't believe well rounded and complete story is a desirable outcome for the developer.

Also, what's up with Ivy's new laugh? Sounds evil asf.

Ivy urgently requires the services of an exorcist, the only thing missing in her behavior this update is rubbing hands atop of Tower of Lust and brandishing the Whip of Corruption when there is a slight insubordination among the ranks of her impish minions.

 

[nickrotund]

how i start from new update only? since new holly scene is not in gallery
nvm i just skipped through it to get holly scene.. shame it cut off before the big one..

 

[Xupuzulla]

Insufficient support? I don't think EK would be too worried about that. It's only people on F95 here who are bitching about the update, her Patrons or atleast most them are rather chill about it so far, infact this update is right up their alley.

Said this in the past,im going to say it now and im going to say this many times in the future.
THANK FUCKING GOD EVAKISS ONLY LISTEN TO HER PATREONS!
Holy shit the crying is way too much

 

[ffive]

Which brings me onto my theory, which is that I firmly believe that Eva, after GGGB, was always intending to make a male MC game. I remember her development diaries she posted back then, reflecting on the fact that virtually all the successful AVNs are with a male MC, asking herself whether the ought to also go this route to reach the same level of success. She was further saying that she felt done with the GGGB type of storyline, and was looking for some new challenge.

But then she got scared, I think, because all of the polls she was running, as well as the sentiment in her comment section, showed that the female MC was one of the premiere reasons for supporting her. So she gave in, settled for having two main characters, hoping that it would satisfy both ends of the spectrum and give herself the challenge she sought, but not fully recognizing the momentous ordeal this would become.

I think this is way off: having male MC instead of female MC but otherwise keeping structure of the story the same isn't "a new challenge" or being done with GGGB type of storyline. Especially not when, like noted, porn games with male MCs who go around scoring more and more pussies are dime a dozen.

So, no, the "new challenge" would be far more likely something that few devs have attempted, much less pulled off, and that's a story with more than one protagonist and their storylines intersecting.

 

[DmollSR]

So how far has the stan route progressed?

 

[Mercedes]

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That is some TikTok E-girl inspired pic ngl LMAO!

But the fingers look extremely like AI art.

 

[Gogofei]

no conversation before Jerremy Scene?

 

[Ragnar]

I can only echo what everyone else is saying about this being a terrible update. It was essentially just a fuckfest that saw us skipping from one sex scene to another, with minimal dialogue and story progression. Although fuckfests can be fun, this was so bare bones that it barely fits the critera of an AVN, and struck me as more of a random scene collection with porn-level buildup. Adding to all of this, it was extremely short and ammounted to no more than 20 minutes of playtime. You just expect so much more from a developer with Eva Kiss's track record.

Again, though, it comes back to the fact that she set herself up to fail with ORS. She bit off more than she can chew by having two main characters, an as development has gone on, it has become increasingly obvious that this is causing her a world of issues, as she is practically developing two games at the same time, while also tasked with intertwining them. It requires producing twice the amount of content, and disentanglig a whole range of variations and dialogue, which is simply too much for one person to handle, especially when I think her motivation is very different when producing Ian's content versus Lena's content.

Which brings me onto my theory, which is that I firmly believe that Eva, after GGGB, was always intending to make a male MC game. I remember her development diaries she posted back then, reflecting on the fact that virtually all the successful AVNs are with a male MC, asking herself whether the ought to also go this route to reach the same level of success. She was further saying that she felt done with the GGGB type of storyline, and was looking for some new challenge.

But then she got scared, I think, because all of the polls she was running, as well as the sentiment in her comment section, showed that the female MC was one of the premiere reasons for supporting her. So she gave in, settled for having two main characters, hoping that it would satisfy both ends of the spectrum and give herself the challenge she sought, but not fully recognizing the momentous ordeal this would become.

My theory also makes some sense if we consider the vast difference in quality between Ian and Lena's side of the story. Ian's love interests are far superior and his character development is way more interesting. Ian is actually going somewhere, he is finding success in his writing, in his relationship and his personal improvement, both physically and confidence wise, which makes him overall quite easy to sympathize with. This is in stark contrast to Lena, who, quite frankly, have a bunch of bums as love interests and whose character is completely inconsistent, falling into the typical depravities in corruption games, while trying to have some saving grace in her musical ambitions. It just doesn't work - her storyline is all over the place and suggests that it is not supported by the same level of planning and motivation as Ian's.

And here we are. We have seen increasing development, disappointing and shorter updates, reworks, and an absurd chapter structure of prologue, epilogue and 2-4 partial updates. It has simply gone completely haywire. I think all of this has its root cause in the dual protagonist setup, and a differing motivation for those two characters.

To be honest, as controversial as it would be, I believe the best decision, for the future of ORS, would be to kill Lena's POV. It would immediately reduce the amount of content Eva has to make, and allow her to focus on providing something meaningful and gratifying for Ian's POV. I understand it would be extremely controversial and possibly deter a lot of people from playing the game, but when the alternative is to let things continue to spiral out of control, I can't help but feel like Eva should show some strong leadership and confidence in her ability, and stick up for what she believes is best and want to do.

Otherwise, I'm afraid we're in for a rocky road with ORS going forward, seeing the tendencies we are seeing amplified, and ending up with a rather disillusioning final third of the game, where everything is a mess and there is no real sense of direction. And that would be the real tragedy I think.

EK's fan base was build on Female MC Corruption. You can't just pinpoint its problems to just kill Lena side of the story. If EK goes that route I think you can expetct some backlash from her paying followers. GGGB was a bang and most content was quite hardcore. ORS share some themes and even guest npcs from GGGB but the general tone of the story is softer.
The problems with ORS are not only the two MCs, it's the tone of the story, the scope of the multiple paths and so on.
Imo the best she can do right now is to start closing side characters arcs to focus on IanxLena.

 

[zgaf]

I agree with what you say, but it's all because Eva has lost her passion for what she does. When she released one version within two or three months, she was doing what she did with passion. Then she took a long break and said, "Updates take a long time. From now on, I will release updates every month under the name Alpha - Beta and Final versions." Later, these times doubled and the content rate in each update decreased by half. And finally, she started to release separate updates for Ian and separate updates for Lena. Each update takes an average of five or six months and the content is half less than previous updates.

And now, since she had difficulty in finding content, she started to conduct a poll and add the option with the highest votes as a scene in the game. This exactly means, "I have nothing left to add to this work, I will continue it according to your wishes."

When the writer starts to shape the story he wrote according to the wishes of others, his passion for that work disappears. And over time, this situation turns into "You gave me this much money, you asked me to draw this, take it and continue like this." Unfortunately, it will no longer make sense to expect the old quality from this game.

You god demn right

 

[bamachine]

Question, have not played this in a while. Is the throuple option open yet, with our two mcs and the innocent book reviewer gal? That is my head canon ending. I forget their names, as I renamed both of the mcs, in my prior playthroughs.

 

[zgaf]

I can only echo what everyone else is saying about this being a terrible update. It was essentially just a fuckfest that saw us skipping from one sex scene to another, with minimal dialogue and story progression. Although fuckfests can be fun, this was so bare bones that it barely fits the critera of an AVN, and struck me as more of a random scene collection with porn-level buildup. Adding to all of this, it was extremely short and ammounted to no more than 20 minutes of playtime. You just expect so much more from a developer with Eva Kiss's track record.

Again, though, it comes back to the fact that she set herself up to fail with ORS. She bit off more than she can chew by having two main characters, an as development has gone on, it has become increasingly obvious that this is causing her a world of issues, as she is practically developing two games at the same time, while also tasked with intertwining them. It requires producing twice the amount of content, and disentanglig a whole range of variations and dialogue, which is simply too much for one person to handle, especially when I think her motivation is very different when producing Ian's content versus Lena's content.

Which brings me onto my theory, which is that I firmly believe that Eva, after GGGB, was always intending to make a male MC game. I remember her development diaries she posted back then, reflecting on the fact that virtually all the successful AVNs are with a male MC, asking herself whether the ought to also go this route to reach the same level of success. She was further saying that she felt done with the GGGB type of storyline, and was looking for some new challenge.

But then she got scared, I think, because all of the polls she was running, as well as the sentiment in her comment section, showed that the female MC was one of the premiere reasons for supporting her. So she gave in, settled for having two main characters, hoping that it would satisfy both ends of the spectrum and give herself the challenge she sought, but not fully recognizing the momentous ordeal this would become.

My theory also makes some sense if we consider the vast difference in quality between Ian and Lena's side of the story. Ian's love interests are far superior and his character development is way more interesting. Ian is actually going somewhere, he is finding success in his writing, in his relationship and his personal improvement, both physically and confidence wise, which makes him overall quite easy to sympathize with. This is in stark contrast to Lena, who, quite frankly, have a bunch of bums as love interests and whose character is completely inconsistent, falling into the typical depravities in corruption games, while trying to have some saving grace in her musical ambitions. It just doesn't work - her storyline is all over the place and suggests that it is not supported by the same level of planning and motivation as Ian's.

And here we are. We have seen increasing development, disappointing and shorter updates, reworks, and an absurd chapter structure of prologue, epilogue and 2-4 partial updates. It has simply gone completely haywire. I think all of this has its root cause in the dual protagonist setup, and a differing motivation for those two characters.

To be honest, as controversial as it would be, I believe the best decision, for the future of ORS, would be to kill Lena's POV. It would immediately reduce the amount of content Eva has to make, and allow her to focus on providing something meaningful and gratifying for Ian's POV. I understand it would be extremely controversial and possibly deter a lot of people from playing the game, but when the alternative is to let things continue to spiral out of control, I can't help but feel like Eva should show some strong leadership and confidence in her ability, and stick up for what she believes is best and want to do.

Otherwise, I'm afraid we're in for a rocky road with ORS going forward, seeing the tendencies we are seeing amplified, and ending up with a rather disillusioning final third of the game, where everything is a mess and there is no real sense of direction. And that would be the real tragedy I think.

I hope eva see this comment

 

[ffive]

Question, have not played this in a while. Is the throuple option open yet, with our two mcs and the innocent book reviewer gal?

Yes, this route has opened in Ch.12.

In this Chapter every male character gets their own throuple :hidethepain:

 

[DatBoit]

I think this is way off: having male MC instead of female MC but otherwise keeping structure of the story the same isn't "a new challenge" or being done with GGGB type of storyline. Especially not when, like noted, porn games with male MCs who go around scoring more and more pussies are dime a dozen.

So, no, the "new challenge" would be far more likely something that few devs have attempted, much less pulled off, and that's a story with more than one protagonist and their storylines intersecting.

I think all of what you say is true, but it also feels like we're getting a bit into semantics now. What I mean with my reasoning and "challenge" is that a male MC game would have been something new and refreshing for Eva, both because she has not written from that perspective before, and because she'd be forced to write from the POV of the opposite gender to herself.

In this sense, I believe she also felt like she had something to add to the AVN scene, where most male MC games tend to be run-of-the-mill with the same recycled tropes over and over again.

Fearing the negative effects from excluding a female POV, though, she decided to do both, which would satisfy her desire to do something different, and keep her patrons happy. What is or isn't a challenge is less crticial to the point, it's more to say that she didn't want a repeat of GGGB, which would have been way more likely with the sole female MC setup.