VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

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Arata20

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DatBoit said:
I can only echo what everyone else is saying about this being a terrible update. It was essentially just a fuckfest that saw us skipping from one sex scene to another, with minimal dialogue and story progression. Although fuckfests can be fun, this was so bare bones that it barely fits the critera of an AVN, and struck me as more of a random scene collection with porn-level buildup. Adding to all of this, it was extremely short and ammounted to no more than 20 minutes of playtime. You just expect so much more from a developer with Eva Kiss's track record.

Again, though, it comes back to the fact that she set herself up to fail with ORS. She bit off more than she can chew by having two main characters, an as development has gone on, it has become increasingly obvious that this is causing her a world of issues, as she is practically developing two games at the same time, while also tasked with intertwining them. It requires producing twice the amount of content, and disentanglig a whole range of variations and dialogue, which is simply too much for one person to handle, especially when I think her motivation is very different when producing Ian's content versus Lena's content.

Which brings me onto my theory, which is that I firmly believe that Eva, after GGGB, was always intending to make a male MC game. I remember her development diaries she posted back then, reflecting on the fact that virtually all the successful AVNs are with a male MC, asking herself whether the ought to also go this route to reach the same level of success. She was further saying that she felt done with the GGGB type of storyline, and was looking for some new challenge.

But then she got scared, I think, because all of the polls she was running, as well as the sentiment in her comment section, showed that the female MC was one of the premiere reasons for supporting her. So she gave in, settled for having two main characters, hoping that it would satisfy both ends of the spectrum and give herself the challenge she sought, but not fully recognizing the momentous ordeal this would become.

My theory also makes some sense if we consider the vast difference in quality between Ian and Lena's side of the story. Ian's love interests are far superior and his character development is way more interesting. Ian is actually going somewhere, he is finding success in his writing, in his relationship and his personal improvement, both physically and confidence wise, which makes him overall quite easy to sympathize with. This is in stark contrast to Lena, who, quite frankly, have a bunch of bums as love interests and whose character is completely inconsistent, falling into the typical depravities in corruption games, while trying to have some saving grace in her musical ambitions. It just doesn't work - her storyline is all over the place and suggests that it is not supported by the same level of planning and motivation as Ian's.

And here we are. We have seen increasing development, disappointing and shorter updates, reworks, and an absurd chapter structure of prologue, epilogue and 2-4 partial updates. It has simply gone completely haywire. I think all of this has its root cause in the dual protagonist setup, and a differing motivation for those two characters.

To be honest, as controversial as it would be, I believe the best decision, for the future of ORS, would be to kill Lena's POV. It would immediately reduce the amount of content Eva has to make, and allow her to focus on providing something meaningful and gratifying for Ian's POV. I understand it would be extremely controversial and possibly deter a lot of people from playing the game, but when the alternative is to let things continue to spiral out of control, I can't help but feel like Eva should show some strong leadership and confidence in her ability, and stick up for what she believes is best and want to do.

Otherwise, I'm afraid we're in for a rocky road with ORS going forward, seeing the tendencies we are seeing amplified, and ending up with a rather disillusioning final third of the game, where everything is a mess and there is no real sense of direction. And that would be the real tragedy I think.
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Ragnar said:
I think is quite obvious that IanxLena is the main point of the story since the very beginning. The rest of npcs and stories are fluff.
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Sure, but this would require changing the whole narrative structure, as it makes no sense first being on Ian's POV, getting the choice to pursue Lena, and then being on Lena's POV getting the choice to accept Ian's advances.

If the focus should be Ian x Lena, a third-person POV or a kinetic structure would work better. Or possibly, having a select few choices to shape the characters, leading to different, predetermined outcomes for their relationship.
 
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Xupuzulla said:
Why?
I think the update is very good,that Holly scene made my balls tingle.
I think some people here need to realize this game inst for them anymore.
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The scene itself was hot, but the pacing wasn't, cuz that was something even the slutty version Lena had yet to do. But, God bless this game's an RPG so allot options to choose from.
 
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Justaphase said:
Actually you do, for your opinion to matter in the slightest anyway. If you aren't supporting the game or the developer then have the decency to just say thank you for the update, then go disappear. Noone cares what you think, least of all the developer.
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What an unfortunate comment.

Similarly you also have to pay prostitutes and whores if you want them to listen to you but you also get to fuck them as an additional bonus.
 
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Geigi said:
Lena? More like Ivy.
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Lean's the MC and she has option to be slutty earlier than Holly, that's why I said Lena instead of Ivy. And my gal Ivy is still a virgin she has yet to have any scene apart from bj and lesbian ones :LOL: :whistle:
 
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Xupuzulla said:
The whole appeal of this game is the multiple choices and the LIs,if you cut everything you are left with what?
A Lena-Ian dating simulator?
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You have plenty of choices already to end with others. That doesn't change the main route, IanxLena.
- IanxHolly ending.
- LenaxWhatshisname ending.
- Lena the slut x Ian the cuck ending.
- ...
The game has no real goal besides choosing a partner or several for our MCs. They're not fighting evil corps or whatever.
 
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DatBoit said:
I agree with you that a dual protagnonist setup is inherently interesting, and I'm sure Eva saw all of the allure with it that you have outlined here. Where I think she went wrong is that it was something she did not think through carefully enough, hoping that she could make it work as she went along, even though such a setup requires an extreme amount of precision.
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Yeah... agreed. The way that set-up has changed over time and the way some updates have been quite radical suggest that she has been continuously trying to write her way out of trouble and struggling to do so.
 
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Ragnar said:
You have plenty of choices already to end with others. That doesn't change the main route, IanxLena.
- IanxHolly ending.
- LenaxWhatshisname ending.
- Lena the slut x Ian the cuck ending.
- ...
The game has no real goal besides choosing a partner or several for our MCs. They're not fighting evil corps or whatever.
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...YET
 
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I didn't expect we'd get LenaxHollyxIan round 2 to happen so soon and the gloryhole scene came out of nowhere, regardless they were both excellent scenes that i enjoyed a lot.
Other than that it felt so empty story-wise, Like many others said it's scene after scene with nothing happening in between :confused:
Looks like that Billy thing is happening next
 
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DatBoit said:
I can only echo what everyone else is saying about this being a terrible update. It was essentially just a fuckfest that saw us skipping from one sex scene to another, with minimal dialogue and story progression. Although fuckfests can be fun, this was so bare bones that it barely fits the critera of an AVN, and struck me as more of a random scene collection with porn-level buildup. Adding to all of this, it was extremely short and ammounted to no more than 20 minutes of playtime. You just expect so much more from a developer with Eva Kiss's track record.

Again, though, it comes back to the fact that she set herself up to fail with ORS. She bit off more than she can chew by having two main characters, an as development has gone on, it has become increasingly obvious that this is causing her a world of issues, as she is practically developing two games at the same time, while also tasked with intertwining them. It requires producing twice the amount of content, and disentanglig a whole range of variations and dialogue, which is simply too much for one person to handle, especially when I think her motivation is very different when producing Ian's content versus Lena's content.

Which brings me onto my theory, which is that I firmly believe that Eva, after GGGB, was always intending to make a male MC game. I remember her development diaries she posted back then, reflecting on the fact that virtually all the successful AVNs are with a male MC, asking herself whether the ought to also go this route to reach the same level of success. She was further saying that she felt done with the GGGB type of storyline, and was looking for some new challenge.

But then she got scared, I think, because all of the polls she was running, as well as the sentiment in her comment section, showed that the female MC was one of the premiere reasons for supporting her. So she gave in, settled for having two main characters, hoping that it would satisfy both ends of the spectrum and give herself the challenge she sought, but not fully recognizing the momentous ordeal this would become.

My theory also makes some sense if we consider the vast difference in quality between Ian and Lena's side of the story. Ian's love interests are far superior and his character development is way more interesting. Ian is actually going somewhere, he is finding success in his writing, in his relationship and his personal improvement, both physically and confidence wise, which makes him overall quite easy to sympathize with. This is in stark contrast to Lena, who, quite frankly, have a bunch of bums as love interests and whose character is completely inconsistent, falling into the typical depravities in corruption games, while trying to have some saving grace in her musical ambitions. It just doesn't work - her storyline is all over the place and suggests that it is not supported by the same level of planning and motivation as Ian's.

And here we are. We have seen increasing development, disappointing and shorter updates, reworks, and an absurd chapter structure of prologue, epilogue and 2-4 partial updates. It has simply gone completely haywire. I think all of this has its root cause in the dual protagonist setup, and a differing motivation for those two characters.

To be honest, as controversial as it would be, I believe the best decision, for the future of ORS, would be to kill Lena's POV. It would immediately reduce the amount of content Eva has to make, and allow her to focus on providing something meaningful and gratifying for Ian's POV. I understand it would be extremely controversial and possibly deter a lot of people from playing the game, but when the alternative is to let things continue to spiral out of control, I can't help but feel like Eva should show some strong leadership and confidence in her ability, and stick up for what she believes is best and want to do.

Otherwise, I'm afraid we're in for a rocky road with ORS going forward, seeing the tendencies we are seeing amplified, and ending up with a rather disillusioning final third of the game, where everything is a mess and there is no real sense of direction. And that would be the real tragedy I think.
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Frankly if this happens I would just cancel my subs to Eva, I'm only looking forward to Lena Pov.
 
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