AchedCroissant
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I like how Lena ripped Ian's head off
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noturiah
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So, when I played through the first time, from Lena's comment and the artwork, I thought Holly was cock-drunk. I was remembering also that Holly's stated fantasies earlier in the game had involved a stranger fucking her from behind, and though that didn't happen here, these were all strangers to her and she was probably getting off on that.
Second time through, it occurred to me maybe Ivy had given her drugs. Probably not against Holly's will, but in this route Holly has been well accustomed to submitting to Ivy's desires whether she really wants to or not. It's also completely possible, as has been said, that Holly was interested in trying the drug. But at the moment it's all very unclear. (It also lends support to BlandChili's idea that it would have been better for Lena to have been present with Ivy and Holly, so both she as a character and we as players know better what happened.)
I do hope Eva steps in and makes things more clear through some dialogue, if not in the Beta or Final, then in the next update as Lena and Ivy are talking on the way to Billy's place, or whenever Lena and Holly see each other next.
This may be interpreted as defending Ivy, and I'll take that risk, but from a story standpoint, I have to admire Eva's ideas of progress in Holly's corruption. A glory hole experience makes logical sense (oof, do I really want to be saying that?) as a next step for Holly. It's multiple partners, which is new for her, but casual and she doesn't have to see them again. It's multiple partners but no penetrative sex at all. It's "secret," as in there's nothing connecting Holly publicly to the act, as opposed to something like doing a stripping session at Blazer, which is honestly what I had guessed would be the next thing Ivy would want Holly to do.
Second time through, it occurred to me maybe Ivy had given her drugs. Probably not against Holly's will, but in this route Holly has been well accustomed to submitting to Ivy's desires whether she really wants to or not. It's also completely possible, as has been said, that Holly was interested in trying the drug. But at the moment it's all very unclear. (It also lends support to BlandChili's idea that it would have been better for Lena to have been present with Ivy and Holly, so both she as a character and we as players know better what happened.)
I do hope Eva steps in and makes things more clear through some dialogue, if not in the Beta or Final, then in the next update as Lena and Ivy are talking on the way to Billy's place, or whenever Lena and Holly see each other next.
This may be interpreted as defending Ivy, and I'll take that risk, but from a story standpoint, I have to admire Eva's ideas of progress in Holly's corruption. A glory hole experience makes logical sense (oof, do I really want to be saying that?) as a next step for Holly. It's multiple partners, which is new for her, but casual and she doesn't have to see them again. It's multiple partners but no penetrative sex at all. It's "secret," as in there's nothing connecting Holly publicly to the act, as opposed to something like doing a stripping session at Blazer, which is honestly what I had guessed would be the next thing Ivy would want Holly to do.
We have seen Ivy take party drugs on her own multiple times, regardless if Lena wants her share too. I'd say it's just her idea of how to have fun, that goes along with casual fucking. So it's perfectly possible she simply shares this idea and practice with Holly, because she thinks that's a way for Holly to have more fun, too. And Holly evidently seems to be onboard with it and does enjoy it.
You may as well wonder if Wade and Ian pressured Holly into taking drugs while at the beach house, what with Holly being supposedly soooo submissive and all. But i don't remember people here wringing hands over that.
The updates play like Eva has run out of steam and lost her vision for this game.
There is a difference between trying some drugs during a vacation and then being taken care of while just chilling the rest of the evening and trying some drugs and then your supposed friend is like "yo wanna go to a gloryhole and suck like 7 dicks while I take pictures and share them without your consent lmao".We have seen Ivy take party drugs on her own multiple times, regardless if Lena wants her share too. I'd say it's just her idea of how to have fun, that goes along with casual fucking. So it's perfectly possible she simply shares this idea and practice with Holly, because she thinks that's a way for Holly to have more fun, too. And Holly evidently seems to be onboard with it and does enjoy it.
You may as well wonder if Wade and Ian pressured Holly into taking drugs while at the beach house, what with Holly being supposedly soooo submissive and all. But i don't remember people here wringing hands over that.
Like, the gloryhole event is obviously intended for Holly's corruption arc with Ivy so it is very stupid for people to act like the Holly that goes through with it is the same innocent little angel of the romance routes, but Ivy is still the one doing the corrupting. This hardly makes Ivy a villain since it is unlikely Holly's corruption arc will have a tragic ending, but she's still (and always has been) kind of an asshole and a bad influence.
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Lena is surely BBC addicted half of dozens toys were not enough
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Geigi
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Just like Ashley.Lena is surely BBC addicted
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If you're talking about the JDMod it has its own thread and it takes a little while to be updated for the public
Why, both sound like perfectly good fun times to me.
What makes you think that the pictures were shared without Holly's consent?
"Corrupting" is such bullshit concept i don't think i can roll my eyes hard enough at it.
Ivy is just teaching Holly how to have fun, in a way that Ivy herself views as fun and supposedly partakes regularly. It's not like Holly is 12 and can't choose not to hang out with Ivy, if she didn't like what Ivy lets her experience. I hardly think this makes Ivy in any way an asshole, or a bad influence, unless we're going to claim that being sexually open and having fun is something bad that no girl should have her hand in? It can be a pretty tall claim when in the meantime player-driven Lena potentially sucks all the dicks and fucks everything that moves.
Christ P Bacon
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The face emotion of Lena and few NPCs are getting overdramatic imo
Nothing, really. We can probably frame it as Ivy just being a good friend to Ian, eliminating his potential future market competitor or even a rivaling novelist.
boobthief
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Not all drugs are bad, some are great!
You are the same person before going in and taking and the same person after taking, but you both probably had a mind-expanding amazing experience while up.
Don't blame the drugs for your behavior. Consider your options and decisions, carefully, so you can make your own informed choices.
Also, don't slut shame because you're "pure" i.e. have not made anyone orgasm. Try doing The Sex. Maybe leave the drugs until later.
Xupuzulla
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No all drugs are bad,all Ivys in all saves are canon pieces of shit through.
Is not about the drugs,is about the person behind the graduation,the gloryhole experience of hell.
Ivy FUCKING Feynman.
Is not about the drugs,is about the person behind the graduation,the gloryhole experience of hell.
Ivy FUCKING Feynman.
LaVinotinto
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My read on Holly is that she's a dilettante... there's one beach scene where she talks about how she wants to move away from Young Adult to writing actual erotica and I can imagine her wanting to 'research' that type of stuff by experiencing it for herself.
My read on Holly is that she spends the entire story desperate to be 'shown the ropes' and while there are threads where Ian or Lena basically take it upon themselves to seduce Holly, it is also possible for the MCs to kind of ignore Holly leaving the door open to Ivy who is almost completely without scruples - She hooked up with Axel without telling Lena, she manipulated Jeremy away from Louise during the drinking game, and she not only pushed Lena towards nude modelling but also towards taking drugs.
I don't have any problem believing that Ivy could drug Holly, get her riled up, and then drag her to a gloryhole. She doesn't care about Holly... to her it's just fun and hot.
The question of assuming responsibility for Holly is a thread that runs through the rest of the story too as there's a Minerva scene where she notes Ian's connection to Holly and not only dumps him but warns him away from Holly because she's easily influenced and too pure for this world.
To me, this all seems reasonable... it just needs a bit more connective tissue explaining it and it shouldn't appear in any run where Holly is involved with either Ian or Lena.
My read on Holly is that she spends the entire story desperate to be 'shown the ropes' and while there are threads where Ian or Lena basically take it upon themselves to seduce Holly, it is also possible for the MCs to kind of ignore Holly leaving the door open to Ivy who is almost completely without scruples - She hooked up with Axel without telling Lena, she manipulated Jeremy away from Louise during the drinking game, and she not only pushed Lena towards nude modelling but also towards taking drugs.
I don't have any problem believing that Ivy could drug Holly, get her riled up, and then drag her to a gloryhole. She doesn't care about Holly... to her it's just fun and hot.
The question of assuming responsibility for Holly is a thread that runs through the rest of the story too as there's a Minerva scene where she notes Ian's connection to Holly and not only dumps him but warns him away from Holly because she's easily influenced and too pure for this world.
To me, this all seems reasonable... it just needs a bit more connective tissue explaining it and it shouldn't appear in any run where Holly is involved with either Ian or Lena.
jollyjoker27
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So, the other question is: Would Ivy just randomly suck a cock sticking through a gloryhole, when she intends to "play" Holly? Or is it more likely that they probably both beamed themself way out of their minds?