VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[monk_56]

If I'm not wrong Holly isn't opposed to threesome only when she's on what should I say corruption route, which basically stops once she enters in relationship with Ian or Lena goes after her, and I doubt someone shy and bit insecure girl like current Holly would agree for something like threesome it would too out of character for her.

You said it yourself she's constantly flailing around for attention and I don't think someone looking for attention will want competition, would she?

Umm, maybe because Alison basically says Fuck you to Ian if she catch him with Emma?

I don't think threesome was ever a problem for Lena (atleast I don't remember it being) cheating was. Axel cheated on her with Cherry thn had audacity to propose threesome with same girl he cheated with.

Holly x Ian 3 some considerations

Why exactly does corruption have to stop when Holly flips to Ian's route? Is Ian too much of a good boy to do kinky things with his partner?

If you want to be really technical and look at the game's coding. Holly can still have the same number of Holly_Change points (basically the points that determine how bold holly is) when she enters her relationship with Ian or Lena and she is okay with a ladies 3some with two of her friends at those levels.

Alison x Ian 3 some considerations

Its another vector in which Alison could try to be competitively neurotic / grab Ian's attention.

There is a deep distinction between Ian choosing to go with Emma over Alison vs Ian/Alison inviting another female character to join their play after first talking about the option.

One situation is inclusive of Alison and treats her as the #1 and the other chooses another option over her without deference to her consent or opinion.

 

[aris666]

To be fair it would be fun - Ian x Lena x Cherry
Sort of restoration of girls friendship

 

[PervySageKem]

It's from her patreon
What is Our Red String?
Our Red String is my attempt to take what I learned from Good Girl Gone Bad and, hopefully, create an even better narrative experience. This time around you play as two characters, Lena and Ian as they attempt to find themselves, chase their dreams and seek love or lust in accordance with your guiding hand.
Wherever did you get idea from? This game was never about wholesome romance, it's part of it? Yes but that's it.

I mean, she is constantly pushing them together. The whole story of how they meet, how they speak to each other, it's pretty clear that their relationship is the fulcrum of the story. The pillar.

And after what they went through, I find it really hard to believe they would want to be together in the hypersexual paths. Lena always talks about how Ian is special when she is with him, how it feels so good and amazing. It doesnt really make sense for her to then go fuck Axel or Jeremy again, who she despises due to their infidelity.

Additionally, she talks about how she like Ian a lot because he's different. I don't think she would be interested in having a serious relationship with him if he was Ian the manslut.

 

[lipe2410]

To be fair it would be fun - Ian x Lena x Cherry
Sort of restoration of girls friendship

Since we can be in Lena and Cherry paths at the same time, i won't be surprised if this happen in right way now. And if this piss off Axel even more, even better

 

[juniorforlife17313]

Since we can be in Lena and Cherry paths at the same time, i won't be surprised if this happen in right way now. And if this piss off Axel even more, even better

Id rather have a shoot out between lena and cherry than that lmao

 

[MattyJuk]

Loving the game so far, but is it just me or other than Seymour are the men quite samey samey

 

[JohnnySolo]

Id rather have a shoot out between lena and cherry than that lmao

Well, we still don’t have the full picture of the Lena/Cherry/Axel story. We got a bit of Lena and Cherry’s personal view.
And I think Lena and Cherry have to talk together, like suggested by Holly.

I’m sure that Axel has used both Lena and Cherry, I don’t see that Cherry is a bad person.

 

[monker]

Unamplified acoustic guitar paired with drumset? for real?
game bad 0/10 lost all immersion

jokes aside, very good story with some very hot options
hope there will be option for ian x holly x lena path

 

[HNH1985]

How long should we wait until the last chapter?

 

[BloodyMares]

If I'm not wrong Holly isn't opposed to threesome only when she's on what should I say corruption route, which basically stops once she enters in relationship with Ian or Lena goes after her, and I doubt someone shy and bit insecure girl like current Holly would agree for something like threesome it would too out of character for her.

Don't underestimate Holly's desire to be the perfect girlfriend for Ian and gain sexual confidence (even without Ivy's "help"). She's not the possessive type, would probably be even okay with a casual relationship if both Ian and Lena would give her this chance instead of making the choice for her. Holly is bisexual, so if she meets a girl she likes, and who wouldn't treat her badly and betray her (like her former friend did), there's nothing stopping her from trying except for her shyness and lack of experience. Emma or Cherry would be best girls for Holly to have a threesome with because they'd treat her with respect and wouldn't tease her after that, and Ian would be careful and make sure that she's 100% on board before setting something up.

 

[aris666]

I don't think threesome was ever a problem for Lena (atleast I don't remember it being) cheating was. Axel cheated on her with Cherry thn had audacity to propose threesome with same girl he cheated with.

Just wanted to note - that you are completely right. She was not ok with the fact, that Axel was already cheating with Cherry before they had sex all three together. So there shouldn't be anything in the way of such developments with Lena. And not necessary - just with Holly.

 

[BloodyMares]

It doesnt really make sense for her to then go fuck Axel or Jeremy again, who she despises due to their infidelity.

Love and lust never do make sense or need to. They just happen to you and you can't help but experience them. When Axel kisses her and reignites all of the familiar passions while subduing her jealous hurt (especially if they had the talk before and she stopped hating him), her hormones just tell her to fuck him and it's very hard for someone who's been in that relationship for so long to resist falling back into that lust just to once again feel safe and carefree at the same time. Logic or thoughts about other people can fly out the window. Lots of female cheating happens this way. They don't pre-plan it, but they feel so good in the moment they can't find strength to resist. Which is why if Lena lets it happen, all of her remaining Willpower just disappears. Just like that of a recovering alcoholic who once again finds themselves alone with a bottle and only a tiny sane part of their brain telling them to resist but their entire body begs them just to have one last sip.

 

[monk_56]

Love and lust never do make sense or need to. They just happen to you and you can't help but experience them. When Axel kisses her and reignites all of the familiar passions while subduing her jealous hurt (especially if they had the talk before and she stopped hating him), her hormones just tell her to fuck him and it's very hard for someone who's been in that relationship for so long to resist falling back into that lust just to once again feel safe and carefree at the same time. Logic or thoughts about other people can fly out the window. Lots of female cheating happens this way. They don't pre-plan it, but they feel so good in the moment they can't find strength to resist. Which is why if Lena lets it happen, all of her remaining Willpower just disappears. Just like that of a recovering alcoholic who once again finds themselves alone with a bottle and only a tiny sane part of their brain telling them to resist but their entire body begs them just to have one last sip.

All good and all that- but I think its dumb that getting the Axel kiss sets Lena's willpower to 0.

Like- let the player use a will-point to extract themselves or something. Is Lena seriously this spineless?

While we are on the subject of Will points- it would be nice if there were some non-sexual things Lena could spend them on; because I think I would have earned like 5 on my play-through and I spent 0.

 

[BloodyMares]

Like- let the player use a will-point to extract themselves or something. Is Lena seriously this spineless?

You can. Lena only loses all of her Will points if you don't and just let it happen.

While we are on the subject of Will points- it would be nice if there were some non-sexual things Lena could spend them on; because I think I would have earned like 5 on my play-through and I spent 0.

You can't earn more than 2 Will points at the same time. It's the limit that you have to get around by and it motivates you to spend it occasionally so you could refill it by doing certain things.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

edit: by the way, it's funny that Lena is against threesome due to her past with Axel and Cherry, but she is ok to suck dick of her friend's boyfriend (with said friend in the same room + another friend)

And to fuck her cheating Ex while she has a boyfriend, and to fuck someone else's DJ boyfriend, and to fuck her friend's boyfriend in her own room while she has the lena_loves_ian tag in her friends own room on her friend's bed.....

I really don’t get this apparent expectation that the characters need to act rational or in accordance with their own principles in every situation. Yes, a fictional character’s actions obviously shouldn’t feel random or completely out of the blue, as that’s just poor writing. But it’s also bad writing if the characters don’t have any flaws or never make the "wrong" choices when they’re given immoral alternatives. A character who helps an old lady across the road every single day: boring. A character who does it for a while but then one day suddenly decides to not help: interesting.

In a porn game one of the main conflicts will obviously be between the rational, good and considerate options, and the egotistical and instinctive ones which offer immediate satisfaction.

People have conflicting feelings. Lena can both develop feelings for Ian and secretly be drooling over his best friend’s cock which she coincidentally saw one night. That’s completely compatible. It’s not like she chose it because it’s a good idea, she just saw it and instinctively did it.

And when they’re at Ivy’s place, where Lena’s judgement is weakened by alcohol and drugs, and where Ivy sets it all up and makes it seem more harmless because it’s just a "game", she can take the unexpected chance to suck said friend’s cock. The next morning it seems like a bad idea, but most of us have done things which the next morning makes us think: "Why the hell did I do that?"

Of course it’s a question of whether it’s done convinceingly. Personally I’m not similarly convinced by the second Jeremy scene or the whole Mike path. But in the Axel scene I have no problems accepting that Lena can tell Ian she wants to be with him, but then immediately afterwards end up in Axel’s bed. First she’s thinking rationally and listening to her emotions, but then the instinctive lust for immediate pleasure defeats the rational thoughts when Axel makes his move.

And how much fun would it be if the Ian and Lena romance by default locked out all those other options? I also have an exclusive Ian and Lena playthrough among my saves, but that would have been a lot more boring if it didn’t include actively deciding not to do anything when the other options arise.

 

[PervySageKem]

Love and lust never do make sense or need to. They just happen to you and you can't help but experience them. When Axel kisses her and reignites all of the familiar passions while subduing her jealous hurt (especially if they had the talk before and she stopped hating him), her hormones just tell her to fuck him and it's very hard for someone who's been in that relationship for so long to resist falling back into that lust just to once again feel safe and carefree at the same time. Logic or thoughts about other people can fly out the window. Lots of female cheating happens this way. They don't pre-plan it, but they feel so good in the moment they can't find strength to resist. Which is why if Lena lets it happen, all of her remaining Willpower just disappears. Just like that of a recovering alcoholic who once again finds themselves alone with a bottle and only a tiny sane part of their brain telling them to resist but their entire body begs them just to have one last sip.

That's biological determinism and it has little to no basis in real life, and even trying to think of it as real is pretty dangerous reasoning.

People aren't slaves to their "hormones", at all. They can be a slave to their desires, which is 1000% different from what you said. You can't just mess with a girl and "her hormones tell her to fuck you", that's simply not real.

You can say things like: "her mindstate is pretty confused right now, seeing Axel reignited some pent-up desires and since she has low willpower and self-esteem, she went with it". Saying "her hormones made her do it" is just plain ignorant.

I hate pulling this card on the internet, becauce people never believe it at face value, but I'm a practicing physician (Internal Medicine), and there is no such thing as mind-control hormones...

 

[PervySageKem]

And just to clarify, all paths are valid in this game. Some make little sense, but it's a porn game so jack off to whatever you want.

The only thing I ask that could be interesting was make as much dumb/random content as expected content. Robert having more scenes then anyone else when he's just a drop-in character to make Ian look better is weird and dumb.

 

[monk_56]

And how much fun would it be if the Ian and Lena romance by default locked out all those other options? I also have an exclusive Ian and Lena playthrough among my saves, but that would have been a lot more boring if it didn’t include actively deciding not to do anything when the other options arise.

The fun part is subjective. For you- it sounds like it would be less fun. For me- it would be equally fun; I derive negative enjoyment from those sorts of routes. In fact, I'd enjoy the game more if Jeremy / Mike weren't in the game at all- they just annoy me.

You can. Lena only loses all of her Will points if you don't and just let it happen.

You can't earn more than 2 Will points at the same time. It's the limit that you have to get around by and it motivates you to spend it occasionally so you could refill it by doing certain things.

Axel Kiss) What I mean is that you should be able to extract yourself after the kiss. Pedantic I suppose- but still another exit point would make more sense than will=0 and auto sex on a kiss- assuming you have a spine.

Will points) Maybe you cannot have more than 2 will points on Ian stashed up but I definitely have 3 non-cheated will points on Lena at the end of a play-through.

Irregardless of point caps, my view was that that it would be cool if there were more ways to spend them to help Lena out in non-sexual situations. Currently Lena can only spend them when dealing with Robert, Axel, Jeremy, and Seymour. All in sexual situations.

Ian has some times he spends will points in sexual situations but you can also spend it to do things like; ask your father for more Money, deliver your book idea to Seymore personally, fess up to Wade about Cindy going to a photo-shoot, and devote more time to training / writing your book / reading Holly's book / working a second job.

 

[Daken9]

That's biological determinism and it has little to no basis in real life, and even trying to think of it as real is pretty dangerous reasoning.

People aren't slaves to their "hormones", at all. They can be a slave to their desires, which is 1000% different from what you said. You can't just mess with a girl and "her hormones tell her to fuck you", that's simply not real.

You can say things like: "her mindstate is pretty confused right now, seeing Axel reignited some pent-up desires and since she has low willpower and self-esteem, she went with it". Saying "her hormones made her do it" is just plain ignorant.

I hate pulling this card on the internet, becauce people never believe it at face value, but I'm a practicing physician (Internal Medicine), and there is no such thing as mind-control hormones...

No better time to pull it, to be honest. Not to make this bigger than it is, but reasoning like that tends to encourage a kind of dissociation and removal of agency from oneself and one's actions that really serves no one.

It's also just kind of weird - not to say somewhat sexist - that anyone would believe a person's brain can be overridden just like that by musk and a pair of pecs. Like, if that's how it works we all might as well go full-on on the 2d girls, 'cause preventing a 3d one from cucking us would downright be too much work.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Robert having more scenes then anyone else when he's just a drop-in character to make Ian look better is weird and dumb.

I think most players agree that Robert’s had more scenes than necessary. But I also think they add something to Lena’s character development: At the beginning Robert’s the one trying to take advantage of Lena. But gradually their relationship changes, and by chapter 9 it’s rather Lena who’s using him, while Robert’s obviously got feelings for her.

Either way I think the latest chapter hinted that there will be fewer Robert scenes from now on. Ian on the other hand is likely to have scenes with Lena in all or most of the remaining chapters.

The fun part is subjective. For you- it sounds like it would be less fun. For me- it would be equally fun; I derive negative enjoyment from those sorts of routes. In fact, I'd enjoy the game more if Jeremy / Mike weren't in the game at all- they just annoy me.

Sure, it’s subjective, but if the simple existence of the paths you don’t like affects the overall experience so negatively, it sounds like you’re bound to be disappointed? Like all similar games it’s got a wide range of routes to cover many different kinks — and to make sure it actually feels like we’re deciding the paths of the characters — and without that it would barely be considered a game. If you dislike one or several characters it obviously affects the replayability, but apart from that I don’t understand why anyone would feel so strong about the routes that are hidden behind alternatives they either way aren’t interested in choosing.