VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[Tulrek]

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In Chapter 10 I strived to create a variety of major scenes with the main cast, as well as some fun and creative moments. And, of course, I tried making the art as nice as possible. I quite like some of the final images. Which was your favourite scene? Were you surprised by anything, or did any particular illustration catch your eye?

Emma's scene was the first one that was hinted at. Her sexual connection with Ian has turned out to be more intense than expected and I wanted this scene to be lewd and kinky, with Emma jumping on him in a dirty bathroom to satisfy her newfound urges for her friend.

Ian and Lena's scene was very tricky to write, since it can vary greatly depending on your previous choices. But if you play it right, the sexual connection between Ian and Lena continues to develop as they discover how their desires slot together... or not.

I has been wanting to include a scene like this for quite some time, and it was finally the moment. I know you're starved for Ivy content, but she's not an easy catch: Jeremy has been trying to get her since Chapter 1 and he's still struggling! Did you make Ivy struggle in the grappling match or was she too much for Ian?

And speaking about Ivy, Lena and her finally found some intimacy. It was about time the two explored their "friendship" further, and after coming up with many ideas of how this scene would take place, I was able to find a place for it in Chapter 10.

Ivy can also be present during Holly's photo shoot, in which case she will make it her mission to spice things up... Or she can be absent, leaving Holly and Lena to have a tender moment of intimacy together (which can also end up in an even spicier way).

Incidentally, one of my favourite scenes was Ian checking out Bad Jess' videos. It seemed like a cool idea and I wanted to make it a bit more immersive, so I took the time to recreate the website and make several videos available to watch. I used this chance to try out a couple artists to help with these drawings, but the results weren't up to my standards... Did you notice some of the drawing were a bit different? I drew all the hairs and faces, but most of the bodies were drawn by somebody else. As you can see I wanted to add a fourth video, but didn't have time to create yet another scene... But I'd like to fill in that blurry rectangle at the bottom with something. What kind of video would you like Jessica to star in for you viewing pleasure?

If you're interested I'll make another post commenting on more scenes and some facts about their creation. Also, check out the

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, I've gone over it a few times now and answered most of the questions. Comment any question you might have, and if I haven't gotten to yours yet, I will in the following days.

 

[aykarin]

Does anyone have a whishlist they would like to see in the next update(s)?

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[Sgoghan]

Indeed. It happened to me. The background change to the street too early.

how did you get to that stage can you help me ?

 

[Thriller]

I has been wanting to include a scene like this for quite some time, and it was finally the moment. I know you're starved for Ivy content, but she's not an easy catch: Jeremy has been trying to get her since Chapter 1 and he's still struggling! Did you make Ivy struggle in the grappling match or was she too much for Ian?

Ahh I can't wait for an any Ivy scene at this point..

 

[Mr. Muscles]

It seems it doesn't.

 

[Tulrek]

how did you get to that stage can you help me ?

I played so many paths and variations that I could not tell you.

 

[Sgoghan]

I played so many paths and variations that I could not tell you.

The scene is coming, isn't there a problem?

 

[Mr. Muscles]

Really interesting how Lena thinks that being with Louise and Ivy might not be cheating, she's even more sure of that about the former. As for Ian, he's quite sure of what to think regarding the same topic. I guess that's the set-up for the threesomes the Ian/Lena path might have if they chose to experiment, depending on how well Ian takes the news.

 

[dolfe67]

Another dev who thinks a female cheating on her male SO with a female is not really cheating She's a woman though!

 

[ffive]

Really interesting how Lena thinks that being with Louise and Ivy might not be cheating

I mean, it's not really surprising. The idea that cheating is when some guy other than girl's boyfriend sticks his penis in her, while two girls fucking are just a sexy picture to jerk off to isn't exactly uncommon. And there would be probably quite a few people saying exactly this, if the game flat out prevented Lena in relationship from having sex with other women.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

Another dev who thinks a female cheating on her male SO with a female is not really cheating She's a woman though!

What I mentioned happens from Lena's POV, how Ian will react (I meant the choices Eva will give us here for him to react) is yet to be seen. I was merely pointing out what could be coming next. It's pretty evident how that might be the set-up for the future -somes for Lena and Ian.

I was actually more frustrated about the lack of communication from them throughout the chapter. I had the impression they could have an open relationship by the end of chapter 9, but it seems I got it wrong. It had been awhile since I last played the game before chapter 10, tho.

EDIT: My thoughts on this: I'm all for the -somes, but if these are the routes (lite cheating?) the MCs must take to get to them, well... we'll have to see.

I mean, it's not really surprising. The idea that cheating is when some guy other than girl's boyfriend sticks his penis in her, while two girls fucking are just a sexy picture to jerk off to isn't exactly uncommon. And there would be probably quite a few people saying exactly this, if the game flat out prevented Lena in relationship from having sex with other women.

I don't think it's that; either way - I think Eva could have written these scenarios slightly better. Lena's just wondering over Louise and Ivy, without giving a proper reason for such thoughts. Regardless, it's clear that the F95 crowd are more than happy with the possibilities here, so can one really blame the writer?

 

[ffive]

I don't think it's that; either way - I think Eva could have written these scenarios slightly better. Lena's just wondering over Louise and Ivy, without giving a proper reason for such thoughts.

I think Lena isn't providing details for her reasoning precisely due to what i said -- because it's a pretty common view when it comes to "cheating standards" so to speak. Consider that Lena also doesn't provide "proper reasons" why she thinks that fucking other dudes behind her boyfriend's back is bad; the writer similarly expects the readers to understand the basis for such views on their own.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

I think Lena isn't providing details for her reasoning precisely due to what i said -- because it's a pretty common view when it comes to "cheating standards" so to speak. Consider that Lena also doesn't provide "proper reasons" why she thinks that fucking other dudes behind her boyfriend's back is bad; the writer similarly expects the readers to understand the basis for such views on their own.

Sure, that's an interpretation. I still think differently, that she didn't have that have mindset. Instead, I'm mostly I'm going after Eva's writing/choices here, because I believe it's not the first time Eva writes slightly shallow motives for her characters, like - some motives are just passable. Perhaps it's just Eva streamlining the game a bit, instead of giving more choices to the player and more MCs to accommodate.

 

[lipe2410]

I guess that's the set-up for the threesomes the Ian/Lena path might have

That's the only way to make it up Ian for the cheating

 

[Mr. Muscles]

That's the only way to make it up Ian for the cheating

Poor Ian, but then again, how does one reject Ivy? I totally get Lena

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Not saying I agree that F+F shouldn't be considered cheating. It's a trust/honesty thing & that's bullshit behavior if those ground-rules aren't laid out beforehand.

That said, there's a more intense, primal, instinctual reaction involved in M+F cheating in an evolutionary mating sense, due to the potential implications there. Doesn't make the former "not really cheating" though. Seriously a bullshit cop-out. I've gotta be honest about my reaction of the former vs the latter though. "WTF? How the hell am I supposed to trust you?" vs "CAVEMAN SMASSSHHHH!!"

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Not saying I agree that F+F shouldn't be considered cheating. It's a trust/honesty thing & that's bullshit behavior if those ground-rules aren't laid out beforehand.

That said, there's a more intense, primal, instinctual reaction involved in M+F cheating in an evolutionary mating sense, due to the potential implications there. Doesn't make the former "not really cheating" though. Seriously a bullshit cop-out. I've gotta be honest about my reaction of the former vs the latter though. "WTF? How the hell am I supposed to trust you?" vs "CAVEMAN SMASSSHHHH!!"

I think it's both the mating sense, but also and perhaps more the inherent physicality and vulnerability in the M+F pairing. Yes, some women are bigger than men blah blah blah but on average, most heterosexual liasons see the woman put in a position of physical vulnerability due to their size and strength. So from that, a female cheating on a male could be viewed as not only a betrayal but a usurping of that "safe/vulnerable" space dynamic the female and S.O. first had; even more so if the affair-guy is seen as a risk for aggression or violence, which is often the case and probably part of the appeal of themes in games like this.


To me the whole trust part is overstated though; I often hear that as a progressive platitute; "oh, its not the physical act, it's the betrayal of trust in the emotional relationship".

Pardon my french, but that's fuckn bullshit.

If a guy's girlfriend tells him she's going out to eat at McDonalds, then comes back home and he asks, "How was McDonalds?", and she replies, "Hahaha I lied to you, I actually went to Taco Bell", he doesn't feel some deep emotional cut at the betrayal, no, he'd probably say; "Uhhhh well did you get me any gorditas?"

He feels devastated at sexual cheating because another guy had his dick in an area she normally only shows to her doctor and significant other; the physical act itself is extremely relevant in the betrayal.

 

[Chuck_Bass]

It's not cheating because it's a girl? What kind of backwards thinking is that?
So if I'll let some guy put one in my ass I would not be cheating on my girlfriend?

The shit people say sometimes...LOL

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I think it's both the mating sense, but also and perhaps more the inherent physicality and vulnerability in the M+F pairing. Yes, some women are bigger than men blah blah blah but on average, most heterosexual liasons see the woman put in a position of physical vulnerability due to their size and strength. So from that, a female cheating on a male could be viewed as not only a betrayal but a usurping of that "safe/vulnerable" space dynamic the female and S.O. first had; even more so if the affair-guy is seen as a risk for aggression or violence, which is often the case and probably part of the appeal of themes in games like this.


To me the whole trust part is overstated though; I often hear that as a progressive platitute; "oh, its not the physical act, it's the betrayal of trust in the emotional relationship".

Pardon my french, but that's fuckn bullshit.

If a guy's girlfriend tells him she's going out to eat at McDonalds, then comes back home and he asks, "How was McDonalds?", and she replies, "Hahaha I lied to you, I actually went to Taco Bell", he doesn't feel some deep emotional cut at the betrayal, no, he'd probably say; "Uhhhh well did you get me any gorditas?"

He feels devastated at sexual cheating because another guy had his dick in an area she normally only shows to her doctor and significant other; the physical act itself is extremely relevant in the betrayal.

I think either you misunderstood me or I misunderstood you, because I'm not sure what exactly you're disagreeing with or trying to say there. Cheating is a bunch more than just betrayal of trust. I never said it wasn't. Emotional betrayal goes a lot further than eating at Taco Bell when you said McDonalds. Especially if you dropped the Chalupa, which is unforgiveable. The physical betrayal element just stings on a more primal level.

Was just saying for me personally, I'd have a much bigger problem with an s/o cheating with a guy than a situation with a girl on a primal level. But if we hadn't already come to some sort of agreement that F/F was ok, it's still quite a bit more than Taco-bell/McDonalds... F/M would feel more like a physical betrayal (due to those primal/pride aspects) as well as emotional for me. But I'd still lose trust in her and could potentially see her under a different light in a variety of ways (including emotionally) in an F/F, especially if I was serious about the relationship. Unless you're just fuck-friends, relationships are far more than just physical. Especially if the F/F was more emotional between the both of them, rather than a sex-toy friend she might bring home to share with you. Discussed and agreed on beforehand, parameters and boundaries set = fair game.

 

[Esti]

Guys are always competing with other guys on some level. More so in the mating sense. And it always has those ownership/exclusive undertones. "She is MY girl", "She will be mother of MY children" and so on. Also, there is a sense of pride in the mate you've got and that she chose you. This shit is wired on the instinctual level. So when your gilfriend is cheating with other guys it's devastating: it's not just the betrayal on it's own. It also means that not only exclusivity is gone, but the pride and the ownership as well. Before you were the strongest mate in world for her, someone she at least partially submitted to, who she respected and believed in. Now you got usurped in that role, now you are just one of many and your whole sense of worth is diminished. When she cheats with another girl it just another mode of relationships alltogether. Doesn't pack that big of a punch from the instinctual standpoint. Another girl can't give your SO babies, so she doesn't pose such a threat in that lizard brain of ours.

Despite that, cheating with other girl is still cheating, of course. Precisely because we are more than our instincts and our emotional connections matter as much as our physical do.