I don't think there's any real inconsistency here. Holly is getting more confident about acting sexual as she keeps having sex with Ian, but she's still a pretty shy girl who doesn't have much experience with relationships. The thing is, she's also smart enough to know that fucking random guys behind her boyfriend's back isn't going to make her any better in this regard, so this whole idea of having Lena/Ivy push her no matter what just comes across as a rather desperate attempt to have some NTR for the character even when it doesn't make sense, than anything else. If there is any actual plans for such content for Holly, then let's just give Eva time to develop it naturally.
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I think they are saying Ian is JesusHow many nuns have gotten Ian's dick?
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Oh those discussions... it's time to rename the thread to Our Red Cucks.
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I mean it has nothing to do with NTR, at least for me. It's just a corruptible influence in Holly's life. And based on whether slutty Lena and Ivy have already been pressuring her, dependent on player choices, that may be something that's already been developing if the player has directed the story in that direction.
So, as far as the Holly route would go, it would be:
Good Ian + Good Lena = Pure Holly
Good Ian + Slut Lena = Corrupted Holly
Holly has been shown to be easily influenced by Ivy and Lena on other routes. To me, it's a bit unrealistic for the love of good man to suddenly make her impervious to suggestion. She might be wary, which is exactly why she reaches out to Lena for advice, and she'll know that cheating is 'wrong'. But plenty of people talk themselves into these situations every day by self-justification, and Holly is much more weak willed generally than any other character in the story.
So, I honestly just think it's a viable path of corruption for Holly, and I think, depending on player choices there's sufficient build up to explain in. We're never going to see inside Holly's POV to know for sure. But I'm not that torn up that it isn't happening either.
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Oh my word, that GIF. Core memory unlocked. "Are You Afraid Of The Dark", right?
Also, good update. Looking forward to the Final version when the gallery is sorted.
Or how about "Our Cuck String"
I think that'd make you an exception -- because what you're talking about, having Holly sleep with some random guy(s) behind her boyfriend's back is pretty much definition of NTR. It's like saying "swimming in a pool has nothing do to with being submerged in water, it's just wearing a bikini". Which, you have to admit, is a pretty absurd stance.
The suggestions given to Holly by Ivy and Lena are all about getting her comfortable with having sex, something she's had little experience with. So when she's in relationship in which she is having sex and is comfortable with it, it's perfectly reasonable she doesn't need to heed advice which amounts to making her do the same thing she already is doing. It's not unrealistic she'd behave differently in two pretty much opposite situations. ("i haven't been laid in years" vs "i'm getting laid regularly and enjoying it, thankyouverymuch")
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. To me, this idea in the way you present it is out of character not just for Holly, but also Lena and Ivy, given how they've acted in the game so far.
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We're not gonna talk about kinks you like, just face it. Go find a game that has them, ur in a wrong thread mate
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Ian gonna get cucked once again by Mike... ehhe
It should be expected. If Ian doesn’t date her, Allison feels her life isn’t going well and acts out in various ways. She wants a devoted husband first and then probably a baby. If there is no chance for that, in her mind she says, “fuck it.”
But that’s just my opinion.
Clearly she is trying to baby trap Ian
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I can like women in bikinis without liking seeing women swimming.
I'm just talking about the descent of the character from pure to corrupted. Can cheating facilitate that? Of course, but my point was that enjoyment doesn't come from the cheating itself, but from the overall descent, and this can be done in ways that don't necessarily include cheating. Like Ivy and Lena encouraging Holly to be more body conscious, and encouraging her to take up modelling while being dismissive of her own personal interests (that's more of an Ivy one, but honestly slut Lena should have more options to do that too.)
But it is mostly a matter of perspective. I don't consider it ntr because I'm not sitting here salivating over Ian getting cucked out of his perfect relationship. I'm just interested in Holly being encouraged to cheat as a vehicle to further her own personal fall in the same way that ORS does for Lena, or GGGB did for Ashley and Eva.
Now that I think about it, GGGB also had examples of characters going from corrupted to being redeemed, such as Jack and Jessica, but ORS doesn't really have characters like that, although I guess there's potential with some of them.
Realistically, Holly can be in a relationship, having sex and still be concerned that she's not enough for Ian, given that he's suggested to be more experienced than her, and depending on the player choices, literally hanging out with 3-4 models weekly. I personally just find it a bit of a stretch that she supposedly comfortable in that situation, and I think her dialogue as well reflects a continued doubt of her self-worth that Ivy and Slut Lena could prey upon. As one optional path for her character. I like to play the pure route too.
C'est la vie
If it’s just looks and nothing else:
Cindy
Cherry and Lena tie
Ivy
and then meh for everyone else.
You are wrong. Ian x Lena is obviously the canon plot which means no Lena x Holly canon.
So Holly's canon route would be with the only person who's shown unconditional love and affection. The only one who doesn't try to corrupt her. The only one who truly understand all her quirks and finds it extremely cute. Marcel the Bouncer.
Ian x Lena is a ruse for the gullible and myopic. Lena x Holly is true love a couple who strengths cover the others weakness and together grow holistically allowing each to become their best selves. Lena helps Holly to break free from the overly protective cocoon her parents and bad HS experiences have placed around her and to embrace her talent and success. Holly helps Lena to learn to love and trust again and gives Lena the confidence to pursue her creative passion. It's a truly beautiful love story I'm getting misty eyed just writing this.
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Honestly, the NTR label at this point is kind of trivial anyway. Basically every 2nd character was, or is ntr-ing or getting ntr´d one way or another, no? Even Ian parents are cucking each other ffs It´s not like it would be an outlier if Holly was included in that (at some point). Technically speaking, isn´t Holly already "cheating" on Ian with Ivy?
Either way, Holly is cleary the most corruptible NPC. If you take the Ian relationship out of the equation, Lena and Ivy can have multiple 3somes with her, hook her up with Mark, twice. Encourage her to hang out with Stan, set up a hook up with Robert. From here what can we expect her progression on that route to be? 3-some with Lena+Mike, Lena+Robert, Lena+Louise, Marcel guy is bound to happen, next up drugs and bj´s in the club toilet and modelling for Billy. Also remember the "having sex with a hot stranger" confession.
So if you put that version of her in a relationship with a version of Ian that is still not over Gillian and generally beta, then fast forward it 1 or 2 chapters, I don´t see it as too far fetched for her to be talked into cheating by Lena/Ivy at max corruption, as an alternative to simply breaking up, etc. but as was said, not in the way or at the time it was presented, which was clearly a bug.
I´m not advocating it, just saying that it could have been a spicy sub-route that is unlinkely to happen.
It´s not like it would be an outlier if Holly was included in that (at some point). Technically speaking, isn´t Holly already "cheating" on Ian with Ivy? Either way, Holly is cleary the most corruptible NPC. If you take the Ian relationship out of the equation, Lena and Ivy can have multiple 3somes with her, hook her up with Mark, twice. Encourage her to hang out with Stan, set up a hook up with Robert. From here what can we expect her progression on that route to be? 3-some with Lena+Mike, Lena+Robert, Lena+Louise, Marcel guy is bound to happen, next up drugs and bj´s in the club toilet and modelling for Billy. Also remember the "having sex with a hot stranger" confession.
So if you put that version of her in a relationship with a version of Ian that is still not over Gillian and generally beta, then fast forward it 1 or 2 chapters, I don´t see it as too far fetched for her to be talked into cheating by Lena/Ivy at max corruption, as an alternative to simply breaking up, etc. but as was said, not in the way or at the time it was presented, which was clearly a bug.
I´m not advocating it, just saying that it could have been a spicy sub-route that is unlinkely to happen.