mommysboiii

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Living up to the username. :D


She seems amused by him the same way an influencer thot would be with a poodle. Like a "dog-mom", but with her very own soyjack. :ROFLMAO:

IVY: "So Cute! He thinks he's people!"
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ohh my lord I would go on a leash for ivy any day and even bark wuff wuff :oops::oops:

hope for twisted ivy/ian hope ivy is not only for mega chad ian:rolleyes:

hope there is at least ivy route were she use him to destroy cindy or something kinky for the non chad players
 
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Pr0GamerJohnny

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I'd say it's a collective victory and we dodged a huge bullet. From my understanding, Eva did intend to cut corners in writing and make Lena automatically turn into a bitch on the cucking path (she kind of still is in the no-sex route). But after I reported it initially (after the prologue), this Ch 11 scene was soon written to address it. It's still not ideal in the no-sex route (because Lena might not have any sex either, so she denies herself sex just as much), but overall the role-playing is handled with much better care, especially with an after-play consolatory deepthroating.

And the cherry on top is, you don't know to what extent Lena was telling the truth in her story or if she altered some details to intentionally make it more kinky (or conversely downplayed it if Ian isn't into it as much) or she did those things with someone else. So, it could just be her fantasy that never happened in reality or she was in fact even wilder in her younger days. We can never know for certain because Lena never references this story in her POV.
Bluntly, this isn't correct. Almost every lena-ian sex scene in ch10-ch11 checks [if not ian_cuck] to proceed. I wouldn't call that an emotionally healthy couple. I was eager to see the evolution of this path - one where they were still a couple and in love, having sex, while she titillated him with stories of other guys, but that was not this - in many scenes the handjob option defaults by nature of the script conditions.
 
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And the cherry on top is, you don't know to what extent Lena was telling the truth in her story or if she altered some details to intentionally make it more kinky (or conversely downplayed it if Ian isn't into it as much) or she did those things with someone else. So, it could just be her fantasy that never happened in reality or she was in fact even wilder in her younger days. We can never know for certain because Lena never references this story in her POV.
If she didn't reflect on it on her POV saying otherwise, we can only assume it's true.
 
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Xupuzulla

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Dude literally gives Ian the stink eye after being introduce to Stan after he asks if Lena and Ian are a thing, then comes up with his whole confession when he knows Ian and Lena are a thing, making out like he's SUPER BETTER than our guy Ian whose been balls deep in Lena and knows how to take care of her. It's a laugh and makes Stan even more cringe worthy. I say let the guy die of a heartattack already and let Holly move in with Louise and Lena.
Holly moving to the aparment would be so cringe.
You know is going to happen too,the Evakiss self-insert has to be there 24/7.
 

ffive

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Dude literally gives Ian the stink eye after being introduce to Stan after he asks if Lena and Ian are a thing, then comes up with his whole confession when he knows Ian and Lena are a thing, making out like he's SUPER BETTER than our guy Ian whose been balls deep in Lena
NGL, i kind of stopped right there. You shouldn't distract the reader with this sort of imagery when you're trying to make a point. :sneaky:
 

SerHawkes

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Holly moving to the aparment would be so cringe.
You know is going to happen too,the Evakiss self-insert has to be there 24/7.
Pretty sure Lola is the self insert, but sure, slander the wholesomest of waifus. See where that gets you.


NGL, i kind of stopped right there. You shouldn't distract the reader with this sort of imagery when you're trying to make a point. :sneaky:
I like to make my points fully detailed and explain the point throughly. Not my problem I'm a man of word imagery.
 

Xupuzulla

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Pretty sure Lola is the self insert, but sure, slander the wholesomest of waifus. See where that gets you.
Your "waifu" is the self-insert.
Funny how you can completely try to ignore her with Lena and she STILL joins the pole dancing classes again,so annoying.:LUL:
 
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Vengeance_11

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To be fair the twist (if it indeed happens) is easier to spot when the players have literally years to scrutinize and ponder every tiny bit of dialogue between the updates.
What got me thinking is that Eva opened up the cameo spots again for a spot in the upcoming epilogue. Chances that the mystery boyfriend will be whoever wins that spot and that Lena will meet them during her first shift at the club?
 

ffive

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What got me thinking is that Eva opened up the cameo spots again for a spot in the upcoming epilogue. Chances that the mystery boyfriend will be whoever wins that spot and that Lena will meet them during her first shift at the club?
Hmm i guess it's possible, but i think the cameo might be for a smaller role, e.g. some completely random customer who shows up during Lena's bar shift. I mean, someone who is there so the mysterious boyfriend isn't the only person Lena gets to interact with.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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I'd say it's a collective victory and we dodged a huge bullet. From my understanding, Eva did intend to cut corners in writing and make Lena automatically turn into a bitch on the cucking path (she kind of still is in the no-sex route). But after I reported it initially (after the prologue), this Ch 11 scene was soon written to address it. It's still not ideal in the no-sex route (because Lena might not have any sex either, so she denies herself sex just as much), but overall the role-playing is handled with much better care, especially with an after-play consolatory deepthroating.

And the cherry on top is, you don't know to what extent Lena was telling the truth in her story or if she altered some details to intentionally make it more kinky (or conversely downplayed it if Ian isn't into it as much) or she did those things with someone else. So, it could just be her fantasy that never happened in reality or she was in fact even wilder in her younger days. We can never know for certain because Lena never references this story in her POV.
Thanks for bringing it up. You can tell her it was really well handled and that those of us who care about that route were impressed & appreciative. I was definitely convinced it'd be another GGGB repeat, which was my least favorite portion of that game. I haven't played the "no sex" for Ian route yet since it's not my thing. Maybe at the end of development for the Steam "Incel" achievement. But I'm glad she left it in, specifically for Mommisboii :KEK: and others who want the path (though I never doubted she wouldn't). It would have been shitty to add/improve a more plausible path just to deny another pre-existing one certain fans had been following.

As you mentioned, I could see it being a weird situation in a scenario where a sexless Lena denies a sexless Ian, then suddenly turns into dom superbitch. It could be an easy text or script fix. But tbf, it's also a relatively small use-case. I don't imagine the "waiting until marriage" route to be too popular for anyone, considering it turns into a sexless game when neither MC is getting fucked.
 
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I dont agree with this there are many poeple that love innocent holly corruption and would like to
make little holly into a gillian with ivys help :devilish: :devilish:

and this scenes with mark,robert ,bouncer and lena and ivy will take her probably on partys with drugs in the future will happen ANYWAY eva will already draw and write this scenes

so it should not be this hard for eva to figure out to make it work because its not much work because this SCENES WILL EXIST ANYWAY

and you can engourage holly as slutty/mean lena and ivy so eva should firgue something out

so i really dont understand the no cheating police in a CORRUPTION GAME on cheracters like cindy,alison and holly because they all will have corruption ROUTES ANYWAY
My educated guess: If you want the possibility of a cheating Holly in the future, then perhaps corrupt her before you make Ian date her. In this chapter she can hit on Ian even if they're not together. And at the same time, she can fuck Mark and even be open to checking Robert out (which is not an oversight or a bug). So you'll have your dream of Ian falling for Holly who is more adventurous and who is wrapped under Ivy's thumb so she'd be more likely to listen to her if she happens to tell her to keep fucking other guys even while dating Ian (or ask for an open relationship).

Just going to point out that tying the scenes together with writing requires way more effort than simply drawing the art and writing it in the context of a pre-planned linear path (with no other complications). You can isolate those paths via a simple use of variable filters.

What you're proposing though, is writing a completely different path that accounts these new possibilities. That way all Holly's interactions with Ian and Lena would need another set of alternative dialogues because the current ones didn't work.

To provide a simple example: there is currently a path where Lena could get together with Louise late in the game (after Ivy blows Jeremy). On technical level, it simply enables Louise route for Lena, even if it's late so it functions the same as the early Louise path. BUT. In this branch, Lena doesn't have access to a "dominant" route. So unless Eva implements a scene where Lena can boss Louise around and become her mistress, then the secondary path will always feel tacked on and weaker than the main path, despite having access to the same scenes (after Chapter 9). And this path was actually intended, and is not a bug. But Eva still struggles remembering about its existence (or about the differences with the main path).

Now, imagine if you're Eva Kiss and the players tell you about these inconsistencies, expecting a properly believable cheating path from you when you didn't actually plan for one at all at this point. What would you do? Sacrifice your intended vision just to let the players see more content? But then you'd have to write alternative dialogues for every scene to make the narrative more cohesive. Or would you simply lock this possibility and follow up on your initial plan, to keep your narrative as focused and easy to write as possible? The choice you make would either define you as a good dev or a lazy dev.

I'm not stating that cheating shouldn't be possible (I already provided an example for such possibility), but it's only up to Eva how to implement it. If she wants to make the current Ian x Holly's route separate from single Holly exploring different guys (at least for now), then you can't really shoehorn that option into the game if you care about your own narrative quality. If that option was INTENDED, then yeah, I'd be all for rewriting the plot holes to account for the new possibility even if character-wise it makes no sense yet (Ian hasn't gotten a chance to fuck up his relationship with Holly). Holly was open to explore Mark or experiment with Ivy in the first place because she thought Ian wasn't interested in her. The only force powerful enough to make her reconsider her commitment to Ian is actually Lena. So who knows, maybe Lena will be able to steal Holly away from Ian in the future.
 

dontcarewhateverno

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No, given that Gillian was very recently decided to be added by Eva, and therefore never intended to play an active role originally, I don't think her boyfriend is anyone we know.
To be fair the twist (if it indeed happens) is easier to spot when the players have literally years to scrutinize and ponder every tiny bit of dialogue between the updates.
"Bro. She must be cheating on him with Steve. He's messed around with Lisa and get this... she says he's got a girlfriend. Case proven, motherfucker!"

Real life, in a group of 13 friends/aquaintances or any logical screenplay:
'Dude. Wtf are you talking about? You realize the world consists of more than just our 13 person friend-group?'
"Yeah. Uh.. Sorry Bro. Just high."

ORS logic or average sitcom doing fan-service:
'Checks out, bro. Tha's craazy!!'
"I kno rite?!?"
 
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