| Vee |

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How do you know she's not sticking to her own story? Yeah you don't, you just don't like it.


SerHawkes Leave them be. Repeating same things over and over won't make them understand if they don't want to understand in first place as same things are shoved in their faces with proofs already many times:censored:.

Lets discuss other things in which every can participate;). Ease up the tension in thread:D!
 

Socrambus

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She is relatively intelligent in manipulating and toying with people, so I consider her more ruthless and than Cindy or Alison. Man, this game lacks evil female characters, we don't really have a female Seymour or Axel. Agnes is probably dropped (and not even part of Ians story) and Gillian doesn't seem like a crazy psycho ex either :(
I agree with you, but I think Ivy currently has a better potential for that role than Minerva. If Eva wrote Minera with a different motivation, I could see it. Like for example writing Minerva as a more dom character blackmailing Ian for sex, just make her clearly and unapologetically evil. But she chose to write her as a little bitch to awkwardly express Ian turns her on.


Him occasionally lamenting about her and especially his dream in chapter 11 when she gets fucked right in front of him pretty much seals the connection beween him being upset about her cheating, but also potentially getting turned on out it and embracing the self-loathing and getting toyed with his inferiority.
Cucking is mostly a porn fantasy for instant gratification that barely makes sense - especially the million NTR scenarios that just don't work in RL when people use their brains and think about mid and long-term ramifications of cheating or doing it with a dubios partner. I assume IRL its done through swinging and requires mutual arrangement and communication so thats its clear what the other partner even want.
I get the reasoning in game, but as you said, I find it difficult to translate that reasoning to RL. That's why I asked for someone with RL experience on the matter, to understand if the reasoning might be valid and I just don't get it or is a case of "game logic" not making sense IRL.

Thank you very much.
 

| Vee |

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Gicoo and Socrambus the only character with the potential of literally cucking Lena where Lena is cuckqueen as of now is Ivy. Minerva is not upto par to do that with an unknown character (no LenaxMinerva story progression except Lena can mock Minerva behind her back with Ivy scene). Ivy has the most possibility or EK might throw in Jessica in Future as EK mentioned IanxJessica;) who is also another capable character of putting Lena on cuckqueen path.

So possible are 2 candidates:
  1. Ivy (as of now)
  2. Jessica (may be in future)
  3. or BOTH:oops::devilish:
 
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Nifferman

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I have my criticisms about the direction this game's story is taking, but EvaKiss' care for the quality of the material is undeniable. I believe this is one of the only games available here in which your choices REALLY MATTER and change the course of the story considerably.

EvaKiss deserves these numbers, which will rise even higher after the release on Steam.
True ,but am just suprised cuz the growth was so rapid
 

dolfe67

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Cucking is mostly a porn fantasy for instant gratification that barely makes sense - especially the million NTR scenarios that just don't work in RL when people use their brains and think about mid and long-term ramifications of cheating or doing it with a dubios partner. I assume IRL its done through swinging and requires mutual arrangement and communication so thats its clear what the other partner even want.
If your wife cheats on you, you're a cuck. Albeit not the kind that likes watching but a cuck nonetheless
 

Gicoo

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If your wife cheats on you, you're a cuck. Albeit not the kind that likes watching but a cuck nonetheless
There are a couple of definitions of that word, yours is perfectly valid. In this game, Ian is a cuck (sad smiley option, cuck flag) if he enjoys getting cheated on. He can also getting cheated on and not be a cuck.
 

| Vee |

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There are a couple of definitions of that word, yours is perfectly valid. In this game, Ian is a cuck (sad smiley option, cuck flag) if he enjoys getting cheated on. He can also getting cheated on and not be a cuck.
That is literally what a cuck is by definition, if another person steals his girl whether he knows or not, exactly as dolfe67 said. If he knows and enjoys it whether just watching or participating too, this falls into netorase or simply sharing.
 

mangosok

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Has anything been added in the new update? The game ends at the moment when Lena leaves the club where she met Axel and Cindy.
 

Mfka5

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Apparently English is a hard language it seems. Then again it explains so much with people here in terms of intellect and IQ.

For future reference, the term is 'Whining'.
Sure. It seems like you know all about 'Whining'.
Why dont we test your IQ and intellect on my native language, huh :unsure:
 
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BunnyDevil

Creator of "Unholy Angel"
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When do you think Ian will propose to Lena or ask her to live together? I can't wait to see how one of them will come back home and find beloved in bed with someone else. That would be a lot of fun, lol.

And if you're looking for a game made in a similar style to ORS and GGGB, you can also check out my game Unholy Angel (sorry for shamelessly promoting myself here). EvaKiss is one of the developers who inspired me to work on my own project.
 

MilesEdgeworth

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yep if you're fucking cindy, you're cucking wade. If ians fucking someone else while fucking lena or vice versa, they're chucking each other
 

dontcarewhateverno

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Cuckoldry has been twisted due to pornography, undoubtely. But I like how much of a slow burn it is for Ian.
It really has. I remember back when it was wholesome, before internet porn made it a sick bastardization of its former self. Simply one man + one woman... and then three or four other men or maybe half the neighborhood dumpin their batter in er before an episode of "You're not the father" on Maury where they dance or scream and cry based on paternity results.

'Yep. Things 'ave really gone out of whack these days what with all them newfangleds.'
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noturiah

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I agree with you, but I think Ivy currently has a better potential for that role than Minerva. If Eva wrote Minera with a different motivation, I could see it. Like for example writing Minerva as a more dom character blackmailing Ian for sex, just make her clearly and unapologetically evil. But she chose to write her as a little bitch to awkwardly express Ian turns her on.
My take on it is that, as others have suggested with various storylines, Eva started with a clearer idea of Minerva as a character and that's gotten hazier as time has gone on. You can spin it positive and say she's now more "complex," or spin it negative and say she's been "muddled" and I think both are valid, and I don't really have a dog in that fight.

In the early part of the story, she's a very clear threat to Ian, with his job, and with the pitch for his novel to Seymour. The first time Ian can have sex with her, which is a very slow burn and doesn't happen until (I think?) at least a half-dozen chapters in, it's pretty much just hate sex. You can shade Ian's dialogue in different ways but her responses are pretty similar regardless: she despises him, even though he turns her on.

But I agree with you Minerva gets bitchy/whiny and awkward pretty quickly after that. Ian can quickly dominate and insult her if the player wants, and it's more hate sex. I personally like the route where, if Ian treats her well (in between screwing her brains out) she comes to respect him and actually open up to him about her life, but that does also make her far less of a threat to him - especially after Ian has switched jobs, and if he's gotten his pitch to Seymour one way or another (personally, through Lena, or through Holly). It's also possible Eva always meant for Minerva to be neutralized as a threat, in order for Ian to be brought into Seymour's orbit; we'll see. It's also possible, depending on player choices, that Minerva is still a threat to Ian winning the book contest because she's on the judging committee; we'll see.

I don't think I'd agree Ivy has the potential to be a serious threat to Ian. Sure, she outs Ian as cheating with Cindy to Lena (if a player's Ian is cheating) but that seems to have a lot more to do with Ivy's anger towards Cindy over the Wildcats contract. If I remember correctly, the extent of Ivy being antagonistic to Ian without the Cindy situation is a fairly mild "Well, you seem to be sexing this Ian guy a lot, Lena, are you really sure you don't want to play the field?" (I'm paraphrasing, but I think that's pretty much it, even if Ivy and Lena do their own horizontal mambo.) And if Ian is with Holly, I don't think Ivy notices him much at all, partly because in that scenario, Ivy never gets a chance to corrupt Holly and the most Holly is to her is this shy nerd at the gym Lena is friends with. (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on any of that.)

I also think part of why Ian doesn't have a strong enemy is they're either waiting in the wings (I'm thinking of Seymour and the book contest, and/or Wade and possibly also Perry depending on how the affair with Cindy shakes out) or it's simply that Eva doesn't have as much story for Ian as she thought she would have. Somewhere in the Q&As she says one protagonist is easier to write for than the other, and she doesn't name names, but looking at how much Lena content vs. Ian content there is in chapter 11, it seems obvious which one Eva is more interested in lately.
 
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