VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.3] [Eva Kiss]

[Yokanzo]

Can someone explain to me what made GGGB such a masterpiece?
My understanding is the plot plays out into some intense bimboification where she ruins her life by the end of it or at best gets a middling career in porn if she doesn’t join a gang.

Are there some interesting or cool routes I missed?

 

[SearingFive]

Can someone explain to me what made GGGB such a masterpiece?
My understanding is the plot plays out into some intense bimboification where she ruins her life by the end of it or at best gets a middling career in porn if she doesn’t join a gang.

Are there some interesting or cool routes I missed?

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[Radnos Salazar]

In most cases I would agree: the interest of a story, in adult games just like in any other field, is that it comes from a story teller who has something to say to the outside world, and the reader/player must let himself be guided by them. However, in the particular case of EK, the very specific interest of GGGB which made it unique was that the labyrinth of choices and options was so vast that it let the players create their own story. I am not a porn game connoisseur and ORS is the only game I really play, but from the few other ones I have looked at EK seems very unique on this. And one could argue that she loses this specificity with ORS, as she deliberately closes some paths and options for the player. To me the ultimate example is the threesome Lena/Louise/Ian: you cannot have it unless Lena has cheated on Ian with Louise. I mean, how absurd is this ? Why would faithful Lena not be interested in experimenting with her serious boyfriend without cheating on him ? This is the sort of constrains EK brings to her game which make the whole thing particularly annoying.

are you being serious??? I thought after they agreed to experiment and have a open relationship, Lena would just invite louise for a threesome with the couple there is literally no sense in cheating anymore!...Man this is absolutely absurd!! The more and more i'm reading people's views after playing the game the less i'm liking absurd decisions like these!

 

[lucadiadis]

are you being serious??? I thought after they agreed to experiment and have a open relationship, Lena would just invite louise for a threesome with the couple there is literally no sense in cheating anymore!...Man this is absolutely absurd!! The more and more i'm reading people's views after playing the game the less i'm liking absurd decisions like these!

Not sure you get my meaning: what I'm writing is that if you have not cheated on Ian with Louise, you cannot offer him the threesome. This is what is absurd.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

Not sure you get my meaning: what I'm writing is that if you have not cheated on Ian with Louise, you cannot offer him the threesome. This is what is absurd.

is the cheating part before they agree to have an open relationship or after??

 

[lucadiadis]

Can someone explain to me what made GGGB such a masterpiece?
My understanding is the plot plays out into some intense bimboification where she ruins her life by the end of it or at best gets a middling career in porn if she doesn’t join a gang.

Are there some interesting or cool routes I missed?

It seems you have missed several dozens of them. She can be happily married, bear the child of her father, become an influencer, the sextoy of her mother, end up with her suggar daddy, end up with Jess with a successful career in marketing, Dave's romantic muse....

 

[lucadiadis]

is the cheating part before they agree to have an open relationship or after??

After. They do not agree to go behind each other's back. In her inner monologue Lena even admits her fooling around with Louise after "the talk" is cheating.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

After. They do not agree to go behind each other's back. In her inner monologue Lena even admits her fooling around with Louise after "the talk" is cheating.

that's what i meant earlier as well....man idk wtf the dev is thinking. The threesome with ian/lena/louise is not consensual then. Lena feels she betrayed Ian, so that 3some is just a consolation prize. It can not be because they agreed to experiment in an open relationship. I feel the open relationship path in this game is neglected and damaged the most by the dev.

 

[SearingFive]

The game portrays lesbianism as not cheating if you are in a relationship. They still have conflicting monologues about it but just don't accept it. It's the same with Lena/Ivy too. The cheating part happens after they get in a relationship, if Lena was fooling around with Louise before the talk she will say that she's going through an experimentation phase and Ian understands it but she never discloses their name.

 

[ffive]

And one could argue that she loses this specificity with ORS, as she deliberately closes some paths and options for the player.

I think the obvious counterpoint here would be the fact that GGGB also has certain potential paths and options which are not possible. It's not that ORS is more limited in this regard, but more of player's opinions being shaped by whether the game happens to implement particular scenario the player may want, or not.

 

[ffive]

The threesome with ian/lena/louise is not consensual then. Lena feels she betrayed Ian, so that 3some is just a consolation prize.

The threesome is consensual since all three involved parties consent to it. Lena is absolutely able to choose not to bring up the subject at all, and the whole idea comes from her.

I feel the open relationship path in this game is neglected and damaged the most by the dev.

There is no open relationship path in this game, period. The "experimenting" is limited variant of what people think "open relationship" is, and mistaking one for the other is on them. The game never refers to arrangement Lena/Ian make as "open relationship" (on the surface; variable naming is another matter altogether)

 

[Radnos Salazar]

The threesome is consensual since all three involved parties consent to it. Lena is absolutely able to choose not to bring up the subject at all, and the whole idea comes from her.

I didn't meant non consensual as in forced, but there is no point in not telling Ian before sleeping with louise if Lena has agreed to experiment, i feel the main thing about an open relationship is open discussion and not go behind each other's backs. Lena admitting to herself that she cheated with louis just displays she feels like she betrayed Ian in someway even after they agreed to have an open relationship by not letting Ian know about louise, so looking from outside it does seem like she felt she owes Ian for cheating on him and she makes up to him by giving him a threesome with two women. I may be wrong but pragmatically speaking it does look like this doesn't it???

 

[lucadiadis]

I think the obvious counterpoint here would be the fact that GGGB also has certain potential paths and options which are not possible. It's not that ORS is more limited in this regard, but more of player's opinions being shaped by whether the game happens to implement particular scenario the player may want, or not.

I would agree if some of the constraints were not particularly absurd, such as the example I have given.

 

[ffive]

I didn't meant non consensual as in forced, but there is no point in not telling Ian before sleeping with louise if Lena has agreed to experiment

I agree this development it a bit weird, but keep in mind it starts with heartbroken Louise coming to Lena for comfort. It's not exactly great moment for Lena to tell her "No, i just started dating Ian so let me call him and bring him here so he can fuck you too". Afterwards Lena keeps this between just Louise and herself probably because she doesn't really feel like her relationship with Ian is all that solid, and it takes quite a few chapters for both Lena and Ian to come to conclusion that yes, they feel like this is a real, working relationship they're in. At which point Lena does introduce Louise to Ian.

 

[SearingFive]

I didn't meant non consensual as in forced, but there is no point in not telling Ian before sleeping with louise if Lena has agreed to experiment, i feel the main thing about an open relationship is open discussion and not go behind each other's backs. Lena admitting to herself that she cheated with louis just displays she feels like she betrayed Ian in someway even after they agreed to have an open relationship by not letting Ian know about louise, so looking from outside it does seem like she felt she owes Ian for cheating on him and she makes up to him by giving him a threesome with two women. I may be wrong but pragmatically speaking it does look like this doesn't it???

It's the same scenario what Axel pulled with Lena and Cherry. But I am pretty sure Axel didn't feel guilty like Lena did for cheating.

 

[ffive]

I would agree if some of the constraints were not particularly absurd, such as the example I have given.

But GGGB also has its share of absurd limitations. E.g. you can have sex with dad, but can't form a relationship with MC's mother that doesn't include her new guy. Or you can't have "open relationship" with Chad Eric that'd allow you to fuck other guys on your own (now doesn't this sound familiar)

 

[Radnos Salazar]

I agree this development it a bit weird, but keep in mind it starts with heartbroken Louise coming to Lena for comfort. It's not exactly great moment for Lena to tell her "No, i just started dating Ian so let me call him and bring him here so he can fuck you too". Afterwards Lena keeps this between just Louise and herself probably because she doesn't really feel like her relationship with Ian is all that solid, and it takes quite a few chapters for both Lena and Ian to come to conclusion that yes, they feel like this is a real, working relationship they're in. At which point Lena does introduce Louise to Ian.

i see, after reading the situation it does make a little bit sense. But i still think she could have told Ian hey i slept with louise because she was heartbroken and stuff and Ian would understand it right coz he agreed to experimentation. Well... all i can hope for is such experiments with girls keep on coming coz i liked it a lot, sort of a cuckquean path

 

[ffive]

But i still think she could have told Ian hey i slept with louise because she was heartbroken and stuff and Ian would understand it right coz he agreed to experimentation.

This is how Lena explains it to Ian afterwards, in fact. I suppose one could argue that it'd be better if she was upfront about it, i.e. admitted to sex with Louise first and then offered the threesome... but it is what it is.

 

[Radnos Salazar]

This is how Lena explains it to Ian afterwards, in fact. I suppose one could argue that it'd be better if she was upfront about it, i.e. admitted to sex with Louise first and then offered the threesome... but it is what it is.

exactly what i mean!! Just be upfront and tell the truth, hey since we agreed to have experiments i kinda slept with louise. No point in experimentation if you hide said experimentation just sayin...

 

[lucadiadis]

But GGGB also has its share of absurd limitations. E.g. you can have sex with dad, but can't form a relationship with MC's mother that doesn't include her new guy. Or you can't have "open relationship" with Chad Eric that'd allow you to fuck other guys on your own (now doesn't this sound familiar)

Valid point. Still, it is frustrating.