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What you're talking about, is what Lena 'believes' to be her position.
I'm talking about Lena's position encoded by mechanics of the game. If you're going to just disregard it and assign your own preference to her with nothing but "she believes this but she's wrong and she actually has no stance whatsoever" then this is pointless debate.

Also, "she believes this is her position" as implication that's not the actual case is pretty much sophistry -- the belief is what determines one's position. If i believe Robert is a piece of shit worthy of nothing but scorn then that is my position on Robert and not "something i think but i actually don't".

But the reality is, that she doesn't know her own mind, until the player decides that for her.
No, in reality Lena does have position which the player can influence and overturn with their choices. Just like Holly has her own initial mindset which can be influenced and changed.

Note that it would be just as easy for the game to start with Lena's desire for Axel to be active, and only to be deactivated if she chooses to destroy his pictures (or retained if she doesn't) The outcome would be the same as far as Lena/Axel is concerned, and it'd be a better match for this idea that Lena is supposedly conflicted about Axel. So the fact this is not the case and Lena starts without such urge likely reflects what is her initial, actual stance on this matter.

If Lena calls Ivy, she tells Lena, that it's clear Lena hasn't moved on from her relationship with Axel.
Just because Ivy says that doesn't mean this is objective truth -- Ivy has shown herself to be manipulative, and there's speculations she's actively working to get Lena back with Axel, either because she believes this is actually good for Lena, or due to more nefarious/selfish motives.
 
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I'm talking about Lena's position encoded by mechanics of the game. If you're going to just disregard it and assign your own preference to her with nothing but "she believes this but she's wrong and she actually has no stance whatsoever" then this is pointless debate.

Also, "she believes this is her position" as implication that's not the actual case is pretty much sophistry -- the belief is what determines one's position. If i believe Robert is a piece of shit worthy of nothing but scorn then that is my position on Robert and not "something i think but i actually don't".


No, in reality Lena does have position which the player can influence and overturn with their choices. Just like Holly has her own initial mindset which can be influenced and changed.

Note that it would be just as easy for the game to start with Lena's desire for Axel to be active, and only to be deactivated if she chooses to destroy his pictures (or retained if she doesn't) The outcome would be the same as far as Lena/Axel is concerned, and it'd be a better match for this idea that Lena is supposedly conflicted about Axel. So the fact this is not the case and Lena starts without such urge likely reflects what is her initial, actual stance on this matter.


Just because Ivy says that doesn't mean this is objective truth -- Ivy has shown herself to be manipulative, and there's speculations she's actively working to get Lena back with Axel, either because she believes this is actually good for Lena, or due to more nefarious/selfish motives.
My like is due to the fact that anyone using the term "sophistry" on a porn game forum deserves to be praised.
 
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Fired up some of my alt saves to check out some different paths. Seems like if Lena sluts around enough and Jeremy has a high relationship with Ian he'll actually be a good friend and basically tell Ian she belongs to the streets and Ian will be conflicted about keeping her in his life. Wonder how that will play out...
 
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What the hell is this VN. I've been playing it all week and It's still going. There is so much freaking content. I've locked myself out of so many paths and yet there is no end in sight. I love the veiny cocks. I love leading the neckbeard on. I love having Axel dominate the main girl. I love hate fucking Miranda. I love having threesomes with Jeremy. I love Cindy. I want Axel's veiny cock in Cindy.

Amazing game.
 
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