VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.3] [Eva Kiss]

[lucadiadis]

It could be, but then why doesn't she tell Lena way before?. It's easier to mess a relationship in the early stages than when it's more consolidated. I think that Ivy's intentions are the harder to know for sure in the game, there might be something of what you say in her relationship with Lena but it's probably more complex than just that. My bet is a different conspiracy, I think she had an agreement with Axel to help him getting another chance with Lena in exchange of Axel helping her with the Wildcats gig. She might have fucked Axel as she feels he didn't deliver on their agreement even if you are playing a Lena who has no contact with Axel at all. She could have told Lena about Ian and Cindy just to potentially cause trouble for Cindy (who "stole" her opportunity), the same way she tells Ian about the rumours (probably initiated by herself) of Cindy and Axel fucking in order to get more info out of Ian and also possibly cause trouble for Cindy too.

Her first priority is clearly herself and she's very manipulative and seems to enjoy "corrupting" others to behave like herself. If she's in love with Lena, it's a twisted love and just part of a more complex set of feelings than just having a crush since their highschool years. I think we will clearly see that during Billy's event where she will probably push Lena to take drugs and just fuck whoever is necessary to advance their careers. Her flirting with Ian I think it might be a genuine attraction to a chad Ian, which doesn't mean that she wouldn't use him for her own purposes if she sees an angle.

Ok quite a few things here:

- In my hypothesis (again I am NOT saying this is for certain, it is just one possibility I can see and I would definitely NOT bet money on it), she doesn't tell Lena before because she wanted to be certain Ian and Lena were a serious thing.

- As far as your conspiracy is concerned (we are all getting "weird"), I have another conspiracy blending both our conspiracies: depending upon our choices, it could be that BOTH theories will be available in the future. For example, if you have chosen the least friendly choices with Ivy, your theory will apply. If we choose the exact opposite options, my theory will apply. It might give ideas to EK and her writer's block.

- Re. Billy's enterprise: I am quite sure it will turn out to be a porn movie production, and Lena will have the option to go into porn with Ivy or decline.

- What you say about Ivy's attraction to Chad Ian makes sense, however one fact goes in my theory's direction: even if Lena cheats on Ian and that Ivy has texted a few moments ago to Lena she could get a hotter guy than Ian anytime she wants, she STILL flirts with him...........

 

[lucadiadis]

So Ivy is the lesbian power fantasy: destroy a hetero relationship so she can show her target how much better pussy is, specifically her pussy.

Pretty much.

 

[Socrambus]

It could be because with Lena and Ian's relationship at early stage she didn't think Lena was all that serious about Ian. Also note, that if your idea about conspiracy with Axel was true, or if she wanted Lena for herself, then wouldn't it be in Ivy's self-interest to shit on Ian as soon as possible, so that Lena would drop him and run back crying to her ex-boyfriend, or to her? So the fact she did not puts that into question.

Ok quite a few things here:

- In my hypothesis (again I am NOT saying this is for certain, it is just one possibility I can see and I would definitely NOT bet money on it), she doesn't tell Lena before because she wanted to be certain Ian and Lena were a serious thing.

- As far as your conspiracy is concerned (we are all getting "weird"), I have another conspiracy blending both our conspiracies: depending upon our choices, it could be that BOTH theories will be available in the future. For example, if you have chosen the least friendly choices with Ivy, your theory will apply. If we choose the exact opposite options, my theory will apply. It might give ideas to EK and her writer's block.

- Re. Billy's enterprise: I am quite sure it will turn out to be a porn movie production, and Lena will have the option to go into porn with Ivy or decline.

- What you say about Ivy's attraction to Chad Ian makes sense, however one fact goes in my theory's direction: even if Lena cheats on Ian and that Ivy has texted a few moments ago to Lena she could get a hotter guy than Ian anytime she wants, she STILL flirts with him...........

Both of you might be right. That's what I meant when I said Ivy's full intentions are the harder to guess in the game. So far she's one of the best written characters, perfectly ambiguous. Let's see when the story is finished if the final definition of the character holds. It can get pretty tricky to execute, specially if it's made dependant on MC's relationships with her. I hope we don't see a redemption arc "from whore to pure girl", bad Jess path already seems directed to it and one is enough.

 

[BunnyDevil]

From what I know about women working in sex-like industries (strippers, dancers, masseuses, but not actual sex workers), there is a type who just loves it. They tend to be easy-going and funny. They don’t make tricky plans unless someone pays them for that or involve them in the game. Unlike sex workers, they do what they do because they love the attention from men and not desperate for money. Some of them might even value the attention more than the money. Ivy seems to be a classic example of this type of woman. So, what are her true intentions? I guess it’s simple: to have fun and make money.

 

[Gicoo]

From what I know about women working in sex-like industries (strippers, dancers, masseuses, but not actual sex workers), there is a type who just loves it. They tend to be easy-going and funny. They don’t make tricky plans unless someone pays them for that or involve them in the game. Unlike sex workers, they do what they do because they love the attention from men and not desperate for money. Some of them might even value the attention more than the money. Ivy seems to be a classic example of this type of woman. So, what are her true intentions? I guess it’s simple: to have fun and make money.

Pretty much.
Occasionally a few theories are brought up how Ivy manipulates everyone and is ruthless, but as of now, there is no payoff shown. Ivy is too simpleminded to have those goals and motives, she is the female counterpart of Jeremy in how she just wants to live in the moment and lead a carefree life, ideally fucking hot partners without commitment. She is a hammer, not a scalpel.

Above all, EvaKiss never pulled off such complex plot twists, either because they can't and most likely because thats not what they implement in their game. The allegedly most intelligent character is Seymour and his blackmail is laughable even for hentai rapist standards.

 

[SearingFive]

One thing that intrigued me was the mentioning of a foursome at Ivy's birthday party. Could it be a hint for a possible Ian/Lena/Holly/Ivy four way?

 

[SearingFive]

Speaking of attention. Ivy gets pretty upset when Lena steals the spotlight without even trying. First instance happened when Lena met Billy for the first time, he ignored Ivy not once but twice in a row and you can see her dejected face. The second instance happens if Lena decides to wear the expensive outfit at Ivy's birthday party and Jeremy flat out proclaims that Lena is the hottest one by far which triggers Ivy a little.

 

[Turret]

From what I know about women working in sex-like industries (strippers, dancers, masseuses, but not actual sex workers), there is a type who just loves it. They tend to be easy-going and funny. They don’t make tricky plans unless someone pays them for that or involve them in the game. Unlike sex workers, they do what they do because they love the attention from men and not desperate for money. Some of them might even value the attention more than the money. Ivy seems to be a classic example of this type of woman. So, what are her true intentions? I guess it’s simple: to have fun and make money.

As an addendum, even among the sexworkers there is a subgroup you could call "hobby prostitutes" who are in it because they (and oftentimes their partners) get off on it. It is not a large group, but not all that small either and the money is simply a bonus for them. As it is not difficult to see, these girls are not full timers and have lives outside the red light. Hence the "hobby" label is not wrong to apply here.

Question I read the status update and saw mention of epilogue. Is this game near completion or is that just a possible early ending? cause I thought I read comments saying how there is something like 15 - 20 chapters at least planned. Sorry new to this thread just played this game a week or 2 ago still need to finish it if I can stop playing one of my normal / non AVN / VN video games lol.

No, the game is quite a way away from ending. Almost all chapters of ORS have an epilogue. The mentioned epilogue is just the one for ch.12. for instance ch. 13 also will have an epilogue.

 

[Dessolos]

No, the game is quite a way away from ending. Almost all chapters of ORS have an epilogue. The mentioned epilogue is just the one for ch.12. for instance ch. 13 also will have an epilogue.

Thank you for clearing that up, it's what I wanted to assume but wasn't sure

 

[lucadiadis]

From what I know about women working in sex-like industries (strippers, dancers, masseuses, but not actual sex workers), there is a type who just loves it. They tend to be easy-going and funny. They don’t make tricky plans unless someone pays them for that or involve them in the game. Unlike sex workers, they do what they do because they love the attention from men and not desperate for money. Some of them might even value the attention more than the money. Ivy seems to be a classic example of this type of woman. So, what are her true intentions? I guess it’s simple: to have fun and make money.

Erm I have met this kind of women in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, and, digging a little bit, I realized that it was a bit more complicated than that, and that there were dependencies, addictions, explained quite a lot by exploitation of men or the system that were not far away....however if it conforts you as a man to believe it is that simple, enjoy your permanent Xmas carol. It is quite conforting indeed to choose the blue pill.

 

[Andrea9999]

...... kind of women in ....... and the Middle East, and, digging a little bit ...... that there were dependencies, addictions, explained quite a lot by exploitation of men or the system that were not far away....

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which is why the last three chapters will be in Arabic.

 

[Ray_D]

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which is why the last three chapters will be in Arabic.

That was a good one.

 

[Ray_D]

Ivy is a bad person,im sure her money comes from something shady.
Everything she does around Lena is to fuck her life.
I have no proof but no doubts either.

I mean, ivy's intentions are pretty obvious in that regard. The bitch makes decisions for lena and if you question her she gets angry.

 

[Dessolos]

Ivy is a bad person,im sure her money comes from something shady.
Everything she does around Lena is to fuck her life.
I have no proof but no doubts either.

While I still haven't seen everything or finish my first playthrough only played up till chapter 9. I have somewhat mixed feeling about Ivy. She comes across as controlling and just about having a good time while being a bit of a free spirted girl doing whatever she wants and all that while making that money. Despite her controlling nature I do believe she has good intentions , like with Holly for example. I think if she doesn't like you she will put money before you and will be self centered but I do think she actually cares about Holly and Lena enough to protect them if it came down to it , even tho she does try to change them to be more like her lol.

So despite all of that Ivy is my 3rd favorite.

 

[BunnyDevil]

Erm I have met this kind of women in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, and, digging a little bit, I realized that it was a bit more complicated than that, and that there were dependencies, addictions, explained quite a lot by exploitation of men or the system that were not far away....however if it conforts you as a man to believe it is that simple, enjoy your permanent Xmas carol. It is quite conforting indeed to choose the blue pill.

Cry baby, cry…

 

[Geigi]

The allegedly most intelligent character is Seymour and his blackmail is laughable even for hentai rapist standards.

At least he's not an ugly bastard.

 

[Turret]

Erm I have met this kind of women in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, and, digging a little bit, I realized that it was a bit more complicated than that, and that there were dependencies, addictions, explained quite a lot by exploitation of men or the system that were not far away....however if it conforts you as a man to believe it is that simple, enjoy your permanent Xmas carol. It is quite conforting indeed to choose the blue pill.

You can meet this special type of girl anywhere on the globe and in the western world and parts of Asia you will find quite a number of them who are NOT under pressure, addictions or else and in it for the kick alone. You are comparing apples and pears when you come with experiences from regions of Earth where systematic exploitation of women and partly men is commonplace.

 

[Geigi]

From what I know about women working in sex-like industries (strippers, dancers, masseuses, but not actual sex workers), there is a type who just loves it. They tend to be easy-going and funny. They don’t make tricky plans unless someone pays them for that or involve them in the game. Unlike sex workers, they do what they do because they love the attention from men and not desperate for money. Some of them might even value the attention more than the money.

A movie Showgirls reminds me of this, specifically MC Nomi.

 

[Gicoo]

Don't see the value in debating if those people exist. It only matters that Ivy is playing the crowd to further her career, since she is very interested in money and likes to fuck hot guys and girls. She isn't a poor surpressed sexworker fucking ugly dudes. GGGB Jessica was much worse, she actually fucked sugar-daddies for money and its explained how it fucked her up.

 

[lucadiadis]

Cry baby, cry…

Nothing to reply to this, except that I've always thought it is the coolest song by the Beatles.