VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

There is a difference between trying some drugs during a vacation and then being taken care of while just chilling the rest of the evening and trying some drugs and then your supposed friend is like "yo wanna go to a gloryhole and suck like 7 dicks while I take pictures and share them without your consent lmao".

Why, both sound like perfectly good fun times to me.

What makes you think that the pictures were shared without Holly's consent?

Like, the gloryhole event is obviously intended for Holly's corruption arc with Ivy so it is very stupid for people to act like the Holly that goes through with it is the same innocent little angel of the romance routes, but Ivy is still the one doing the corrupting. This hardly makes Ivy a villain since it is unlikely Holly's corruption arc will have a tragic ending, but she's still (and always has been) kind of an asshole and a bad influence.

"Corrupting" is such bullshit concept i don't think i can roll my eyes hard enough at it.

Ivy is just teaching Holly how to have fun, in a way that Ivy herself views as fun and supposedly partakes regularly. It's not like Holly is 12 and can't choose not to hang out with Ivy, if she didn't like what Ivy lets her experience. I hardly think this makes Ivy in any way an asshole, or a bad influence, unless we're going to claim that being sexually open and having fun is something bad that no girl should have her hand in? It can be a pretty tall claim when in the meantime player-driven Lena potentially sucks all the dicks and fucks everything that moves.

 

[Christ P Bacon]

The face emotion of Lena and few NPCs are getting overdramatic imo

 

[notstaged]

What's confusing? Doing something on your own volition and doing something that's caused by influence/coercion/blackmail etc. is different.

Nothing, really. We can probably frame it as Ivy just being a good friend to Ian, eliminating his potential future market competitor or even a rivaling novelist.

 

[boobthief]

An introverted and very weak willed Holly is peer pressured into doing drugs. There is a power disparity here. It's pretty coercive compared to homegirls passing each other drugs. But whether it be drugs or cocks that she is high on, Ivy and Lena are real fucked up people in this route, for real lol. Because let's face it, Eva took the dive into the corruption spiral. It's no longer a nuanced look of perhaps a shy girl breaking out of her shell with some sex positive message from her close friends. It's two horrible sluts corrupting a girl who had a bright future ahead of her.

Not all drugs are bad, some are great!

You are the same person before going in and taking and the same person after taking, but you both probably had a mind-expanding amazing experience while up.

Don't blame the drugs for your behavior. Consider your options and decisions, carefully, so you can make your own informed choices.

Also, don't slut shame because you're "pure" i.e. have not made anyone orgasm. Try doing The Sex. Maybe leave the drugs until later.

 

[Xupuzulla]

No all drugs are bad,all Ivys in all saves are canon pieces of shit through.
Is not about the drugs,is about the person behind the graduation,the gloryhole experience of hell.
Ivy FUCKING Feynman.

 

[LaVinotinto]

Fixed

Here's a better fixed:

I believe the best decision, for the future of ORS, would be to kill Axel

 

[CreativeCritic2]

My read on Holly is that she's a dilettante... there's one beach scene where she talks about how she wants to move away from Young Adult to writing actual erotica and I can imagine her wanting to 'research' that type of stuff by experiencing it for herself.

My read on Holly is that she spends the entire story desperate to be 'shown the ropes' and while there are threads where Ian or Lena basically take it upon themselves to seduce Holly, it is also possible for the MCs to kind of ignore Holly leaving the door open to Ivy who is almost completely without scruples - She hooked up with Axel without telling Lena, she manipulated Jeremy away from Louise during the drinking game, and she not only pushed Lena towards nude modelling but also towards taking drugs.

I don't have any problem believing that Ivy could drug Holly, get her riled up, and then drag her to a gloryhole. She doesn't care about Holly... to her it's just fun and hot.

The question of assuming responsibility for Holly is a thread that runs through the rest of the story too as there's a Minerva scene where she notes Ian's connection to Holly and not only dumps him but warns him away from Holly because she's easily influenced and too pure for this world.

To me, this all seems reasonable... it just needs a bit more connective tissue explaining it and it shouldn't appear in any run where Holly is involved with either Ian or Lena.

 

[jollyjoker27]

So, the other question is: Would Ivy just randomly suck a cock sticking through a gloryhole, when she intends to "play" Holly? Or is it more likely that they probably both beamed themself way out of their minds?

 

[boobthief]

No all drugs are bad,all Ivys in all saves are canon pieces of shit through.

All drugs are bad: That's what they told ya.

Ivy seems like fun, liberating excitement in this game. Are you saying Ivy is a piece of shit? For why?

Is not about the drugs,is about the person behind the graduation,the gloryhole experience of hell.
Ivy FUCKING Feynman.

I guess the glory hole enjoyer is one Holly path that can be played. Feynman lectures: is it physics???

Sorry, don't understand you?

 

[Zirael Q]

Ivy-Ian content in this episode?

 

[slightchance]

The updates play like Eva has run out of steam and lost her vision for this game.

I've kinda run out of steam as well. There are so many paths, POVs and possibilities now that the game has become quite difficult and tiresome to navigate. The goal in GGGB was less complicated. ORS deals with more drama in shorter bursts, additional game stats and too many side characters on top of mundane stuff like finding the right book topic or lyrics to a terrible song.

Almost let out a groan when the game switched back to Ian in my last playthrough. That's how much I detest having to switch between two characters that I stopped caring about. I'd rather see Ian throw away his book career to become a stripper for soccer moms than helping him with his sports or book career any further.

I mean why is Holly in the gloryhole and not Lena? Ian should have followed her into the booths to get his dick sucked by her only to shoot his load into the whale instead. That's how you cross paths and stop the sidelining that is watering down the game. They should challenge each other doing crazy shit while playing cat and mouse. Let the player decide how they'll become an item, not if. It should be a story of two stars colliding, not flying past each other in a safe distance.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I just replayed the scene,if you make Lena avoid to learn about the graduation no one finds out about Ivy crimes
I hate Ivy so much is UNREAL!

All drugs are bad: That's what they told ya.

Ivy seems like fun, liberating excitement in this game. Are you saying Ivy is a piece of shit? For why?



I guess the glory hole enjoyer is one Holly path that can be played. Feynman lectures: is it physics???

Sorry, don't understand you?

Feynman is Ivy last name

 

[boobthief]

The updates play like Eva has run out of steam and lost her vision for this game.

Just getting started. Strap in/on and sit down/on. Enjoy the ride!

 

[manscout]

Why, both sound like perfectly good fun times to me.

What makes you think that the pictures were shared without Holly's consent?


"Corrupting" is such bullshit concept i don't think i can roll my eyes hard enough at it.

Ivy is just teaching Holly how to have fun, in a way that Ivy herself views as fun and supposedly partakes regularly. It's not like Holly is 12 and can't choose not to hang out with Ivy, if she didn't like what Ivy lets her experience. I hardly think this makes Ivy in any way an asshole, or a bad influence, unless we're going to claim that being sexually open and having fun is something bad that no girl should have her hand in? It can be a pretty tall claim when in the meantime player-driven Lena potentially sucks all the dicks and fucks everything that moves.

Pray tell how a lightweight like Holly would give informed consent while under the influence of party drugs? Also c'mon, it is plain obvious that Ivy sends private stuff to Lena without consulting with Holly. You really think she was like "Okay Mark you can take a picture of me sucking you off and then send that picture to Ivy and it is okay for her to then send it to Lena "

And no, the problem with Ivy is that she is very single-minded and thinks she knows what's best for everyone and never listens to how other people feel. It is very clear in any playthroughs where Lena is not going along with Ivy's advice regarding stalkfap or working for Billy, she repeatedly brings it up, flaunts how much money she is making, and acts condescending when Lena refuses to do the same as her for her own reasons.

Again I don't think Ivy is a villain or trying to harm Holly, but her idea of being friendly is to insist on other people doing things her way and going along with what her idea of fun is, and anyone that disagrees is either foolish or an inexperienced prude. That kind of attitude is what makes her a bit of an asshole.

 

[snowman44]

So, how much Ian content is in the newest update?

 

[ffive]

Hmm playing the update, it's kinda disappointing that for Lena who broke up with Ian in Ch.12 and has lena_go_holly at 5 there's apparently no way to get together with Holly. They just briefly mention the breakup and that's basically it, the visit is over.

PilotLara sorry to bother you, because it's technically not a bug, but is there a chance you could mention this idea to EK? Have a path on Saturday during Holly's visit, for Lena with v12_ian_lena_breakup and lena_go_holly at 5, to bring up their feelings for each other, with option to start dating and maybe linking to the sex scene they can have there? For Lena who has lena_axel_fuck active this could be good moment to spend willpoint to decide to end things with Axel in order to be with Holly, too. Well, just a thought.

edit: found a bug while at it: on the throuple route, after the # HOLLY TRINITY sex scene ends, the game is likely to directly jump into # IAN DATE SECOND CHANCE because the conditions for it are fullfilled:

    if v13_lena_ian_date == False and ian_lena_dating and ian_lena_crisis != "forgive":

the check should exclude cases where holly_trinity == 2

 

[boobthief]

I just replayed the scene,if you make Lena avoid to learn about the graduation no one finds out about Ivy crimes
I hate Ivy so much is UNREAL!



Feynman is Ivy last name

Everyone needs an Ivy in their life.

Pushes you to enjoy what you find.

Still your choice, but more choices if you expand your horizon.

To be serious for just one moment, please: I credit EvaKiss for all these interactions (creating a deep social game), people coming together (no, not on each other, not meant that way), it is a shared experience. I am happy we can discuss and are invested in their game.

 

[LaVinotinto]

Ivy-Ian content in this episode?

Nope just Lena's pov, but according to the Christmas poll, she could be the next one in getting a big content.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Everyone needs an Ivy in their life.

Pushes you to enjoy what you find.

Still your choice, but more choices if you expand your horizon.

To be serious for just one moment, please: I credit EvaKiss for all these interactions (creating a deep social game), people coming together (no, not on each other, not meant that way), it is a shared experience. I am happy we can discuss and are invested in their game.

Im not happy,next update is Ivy central,more crimes from her,more backstabbing,more drugs,MORE EVIL!
Im going to laugh my ass off when Billy fucks that ass before Ian through

 

[ffive]

Pray tell how a lightweight like Holly would give informed consent while under the influence of party drugs?

You are presuming the suggestion was made after Holly was made to take the drugs, when it's perfectly possible it was the other way around -- Holly could've agreed to try the glory hole experience, and then agreed that taking some molly could make it even more fun.

Also c'mon, it is plain obvious that Ivy sends private stuff to Lena without consulting with Holly. You really think she was like "Okay Mark you can take a picture of me sucking you off and then send that picture to Ivy and it is okay for her to then send it to Lena "

Sure, why not. (about Ivy sending the pictures to Lena, Mark is a questionable case but then that's Mark, not Ivy) You think that Holly is somehow naive enough to think that Ivy isn't telling and showing Lena what Holly has been up to, where the three of them have potentially fucked together in public shower? Or that Ivy would be hiding that from Holly, when it's pretty reasonable to think at this point Holly wouldn't give a fuck about Lena seeing those pictures?

And no, the problem with Ivy is that she is very single-minded and thinks she knows what's best for everyone and never listens to how other people feel.

That's hardly a problem, given those people are perfectly capable of not going along with Ivy's suggestions. Yes, Ivy is one of these people who think they have everything figured out and their way is best, but then this is something that can be said about many characters in the game. Emma, Cindy, Alison, Minerva, Perry, Jeremy, heck even Robert, and of course people like Axel and Seymour. None of them are good at taking other people's view into account or change their minds about things. And then there's of course player driven characters, with the player thinking they know best and not caring how the NPCs might "feel" about it.

Again I don't think Ivy is a villain or trying to harm Holly, but her idea of being friendly is to insist on other people doing things her way and going along with what her idea of fun is, and anyone that disagrees is either foolish or an inexperienced prude. That kind of attitude is what makes her a bit of an asshole.

To be fair, she is not wrong in that assessment

And clearly, she's also not wrong in how things she offers Holly are something Holly actually enjoys, otherwise she'd hardly change her behavior the way she did, nor would she keep hanging out with Ivy.