VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[KitsuneG]

thinks we speak another language,hard sex,obscene sex men with suitable character,Ian has the face of a good boys from the boys that moms adore,a director can not cast a hard killer in him Mr Bean nor to play the role of a stupid comedian Chuck Norris.
the GGGB had the right characters for the game.
with characters like Perry,Ian,Stanley I make comedies not hard porn.

In my opinion ORS is much more a novel than GGGB, Perry, Ian, Stanley, etc are really more complicated and alive than even Ash in GGGB. If i remember correctly EVA wants to make an interesting story not just porn, and i think she as a writer really grows up.
She already a legend in a porn games not with porn, how many games here with good and unique art, and a story like "im stuck in a window pls bro help me"? There is good, quality art but not very unique, but there is 844 pages of discussion about Ian cuck, Stan help and licking Cindy's feet because we really enjoy this characters.

I really hope someday Evakiss write a non-porn, not even a romantic book, and i bet it will be a good reading.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

I really hope someday Evakiss write a non-porn, not even a romantic book, and i bet it will be a good reading.

Agreed, I don't know what her next project might be, but a romantic non-porn dating sim would be wonderful. Probably won't happen, because Eva is such a kinky and sex-positive person.

 

[Priappus]

Mr. Bean? What on earth are you talking about?

what i'm saying Mr Bean is that can't play the role of the evil killer in a movie.(he thinks you know him Mr Bean).

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

what i'm saying Mr Bean is that can't play the role of the evil killer in a movie.(he thinks you know him Mr Bean).

So… Ian, with his pretty, kind looking face, can’t play the role of a bad guy, just like Mr. Bean, with his comic nature and looks, wouldn’t fit the role of an evil murderer? Is that what you mean?

In that case I get your point, but I don’t think I fully agree. Sure, Rowan Atkinson probably only fits as Mr. Bean or a very similar character. But casting Bryan Cranston as Walter White in Breaking Bad worked so well at least partially because everyone knew him as the dorky dad in Malcolm in the Middle. And a lot of villains in pop culture have at some point been good guys. Characters change because of what happens to them during the story. And Ian, despite admittedly seeming like a typical nice guy at the start of the game, is no exception. He might not reach the levels of Eric’s dad, the thugs or Tyrone’s friends from GGGB, but that’s just because the nature of the game. Jeremy, Axel and the other guys probably won’t either.

 

[Zedire]

thinks we speak another language,hard sex,obscene sex men with suitable character,Ian has the face of a good boys from the boys that moms adore,a director can not cast a hard killer in him Mr Bean nor to play the role of a stupid comedian Chuck Norris.
the GGGB had the right characters for the game.
with characters like Perry,Ian,Stanley I make comedies not hard porn.

You're right, we do speak a different language, in that I can see how a character can be more then just how they may first appear, and that a character can grow and change (and their personality along with it), whereas you prefer the physical appearance to match the personality right from the start in order for the character to feel convincing to you. I can see how you preferred GGGB in that way - GGGB is a game that has more stereotypical characters then ORS has; in many ways it's a simpler game then ORS is. That's not a bad thing, just testament to how Eva's writing has evolved since GGGB.

As I said, I believe Ian would be every bit capable of hardcore sex acts by the end, and feel suited to the part, if Eva chooses to go that route for him. But I also believe that Axel and Jeremy probably won't become as deeply depraved as you're hoping they will, so I think how far they go will set a standard for how far Ian can potentially go. In any case, I think Ian's content will probably be around the same level of extreme that Lena's will by the end, considering how Eva tries to keep their stories somewhat equal. I'll be interested to see to what level Eva will let us customize our Ian too, like changing his hairstyle (and we know he'll be able to get tatts and probably facial hair), to better suit his changing personality. That can go a long way in altering a character from how they start out.

Will he ever be as buff as Axel - no, and will he ever have a huge dick like Jeremy - no, but I don't think he needs them to fit the part.

BTW, I'm not judging you on any of this despite how some of it may sound - it's your opinion and that's totally fine; I'm just saying it's likely the reason why we'll never see eye-to-eye on Ian. We see him very differently.

 

[Zedire]

gisgus that's bizarre - you wrote almost the same thing as me (just in not so many words lol), and posted it about two seconds before I did.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

gisgus that's bizarre - you wrote almost the same thing as me (just in not so many words lol), and posted it about two seconds before I did.

Yeah, I found that rather satisfying – I think it’s been the other way round a few times in the past

 

[BloodyMares]

So… Ian, with his pretty, kind looking face, can’t play the role of a bad guy, just like Mr. Bean, with his comic nature and looks, wouldn’t fit the role of an evil murderer? Is that what you mean?

Ironic, since in real life, most notorious serial killers have the "pretty-boy" look. That is how they charm you and you never see them coming. The way Ian can beat up Robert in Chapter 7... You don't want to cross him, especially if he's learning Jiu-Jitsu. Ian has all the potential to become a very confident and sexually dominant person. He can already put the bitch Minerva in her place and even humiliate her by rejecting her pathetic attempt to seduce him. And when guys like Axel have an "asshole" written all over him, Ian would always be able to charm the ladies into thinking he's cute, until he turns the table in bed and makes you woof for him or brutally fucks your face to the point of almost non-consent.

 

[mehGusta]

Ironic, since in real life, most notorious serial killers have the "pretty-boy" look. That is how they charm you and you never see them coming. The way Ian can beat up Robert in Chapter 7... You don't want to cross him, especially if he's learning Jiu-Jitsu. Ian has all the potential to become a very confident and sexually dominant person. He can already put the bitch Minerva in her place and even humiliate her by rejecting her pathetic attempt to seduce him. And when guys like Axel have an "asshole" written all over him, Ian would always be able to charm the ladies into thinking he's cute, until he turns the table in bed and makes you woof for him or brutally fucks your face to the point of almost non-consent.

i guess Ian could become a person like this. the problem though is that there would need to be a explanation as to how, as now he isn't anything like that. i mean, one thing i really really like about Ian is how forthcoming he is with lies that could deteriorate. "Minerva doesn't want me to meet Ward? fuck that, i'll show up anyway" "Axel is Lena's ex? better tell him straight away!" "shit, i couldn't deny Holly! better tell Lena i fucked up!". that does mean he has the attitude and the confidence to get whatever he wants, but he lacks any drive to manipulate anyone for just his own gain.

a scenario that i can think of that could jump-start him becoming a chad player, actually could include a cuck scenario a lot of people seem to want here:
for example Ian could find out in a gruesome way that Lena fucks Jeremy (like he is unbeknownst to Lena and Jeremy at the club and sees them go out into an alley. for cuck route he stays and watch). he gets reminded of Gillian and starts to not only resent Lena, but also Jeremy because he trusted him when he said he loved Lena. now he has to face Jeremy in the tournament and uses his rage to win the match. he realizes he felt good after that and decides to outplay the "player" Jeremy, by trying to get every girl Jeremy wants. this is also a good introduction for Ian x Ivy scenes.
the only problem i see with my scenario is what should happen, if your Lena isn't interested in Jeremy, as then it could become a little hard to give Ian the drive to be manipulative and would lock everyone out on that path, who don't want Lena to go after Jeremy.

 

[Priappus]

I'm just saying that Ian does not do porn games but romantic games,I do not understand that with what I say vanilla people put me facepalm.
I dedicate the photos to the vanilla people (until they delete my post you can put as much facepalm as you want)

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

Ironic, since in real life, most notorious serial killers have the "pretty-boy" look. That is how they charm you and you never see them coming. The way Ian can beat up Robert in Chapter 7... You don't want to cross him, especially if he's learning Jiu-Jitsu. Ian has all the potential to become a very confident and sexually dominant person. He can already put the bitch Minerva in her place and even humiliate her by rejecting her pathetic attempt to seduce him. And when guys like Axel have an "asshole" written all over him, Ian would always be able to charm the ladies into thinking he's cute, until he turns the table in bed and makes you woof for him or brutally fucks your face to the point of almost non-consent.

Absolutely. And there's already a lot of those situations where he ends up betraying the trust people put in him because he seems like a nice guy (which he's probably also been for most of his life, admittedly). The most obvious example is of course when he finally has his moment with Cindy – that opportunity arises because Wade thinks Axel is trying to steal Cindy away from him. Then, once Wade's gone, one of his best friends does it instead.

I'm also looking forward to seeing how a more confident "chad" Ian reacts to being treated bad in the coming episodes. If he finds out that Lena and Jeremy slept together, it could obviously lead to a more submissive version of Ian, taking it as another blow to his hurt self esteem. But I could also see the storyline with Lena and Jeremy in combination with Ian and Jeremy's MMA training leading to a fight between the two guys. It would be fun having a more confident and dominant Ian deciding that he is done with taking shit and ending up beating the shit out of Jeremy.

 

[Deleted member 3064965]

i guess Ian could become a person like this. the problem though is that there would need to be a explanation as to how, as now he isn't anything like that. i mean, one thing i really really like about Ian is how forthcoming he is with lies that could deteriorate. "Minerva doesn't want me to meet Ward? fuck that, i'll show up anyway" "Axel is Lena's ex? better tell him straight away!" "shit, i couldn't deny Holly! better tell Lena i fucked up!". that does mean he has the attitude and the confidence to get whatever he wants, but he lacks any drive to manipulate anyone for just his own gain.

a scenario that i can think of that could jump-start him becoming a chad player, actually could include a cuck scenario a lot of people seem to want here:
for example Ian could find out in a gruesome way that Lena fucks Jeremy (like he is unbeknownst to Lena and Jeremy at the club and sees them go out into an alley. for cuck route he stays and watch). he gets reminded of Gillian and starts to not only resent Lena, but also Jeremy because he trusted him when he said he loved Lena. now he has to face Jeremy in the tournament and uses his rage to win the match. he realizes he felt good after that and decides to outplay the "player" Jeremy, by trying to get every girl Jeremy wants. this is also a good introduction for Ian x Ivy scenes.
the only problem i see with my scenario is what should happen, if your Lena isn't interested in Jeremy, as then it could become a little hard to give Ian the drive to be manipulative and would lock everyone out on that path, who don't want Lena to go after Jeremy.

It's true that he in a lot of those situations is very forthcoming. But he's also had sex with Cindy behind Wade's back, and is sleeping with Emma without Perry's knowledge, among other things. I don't think he's deliberately manipulating people around him at this point, but it's still kind of what he's doing.

And about your second point: I agree, as I wrote about in my previous post (before I saw what you wrote). It's difficult to say how far he would go to get revenge on Jeremy (or Lena, for that sake), but I could absolutely see a chad Ian reacting like that if and when he finds out about Lena and Jeremy.

 

[mehGusta]

Absolutely. And there's already a lot of those situations where he ends up betraying the trust people put in him because he seems like a nice guy (which he's probably also been for most of his life, admittedly). The most obvious example is of course when he finally has his moment with Cindy – that opportunity arises because Wade thinks Axel is trying to steal Cindy away from him. Then, once Wade's gone, one of his best friends does it instead.

I'm also looking forward to seeing how a more confident "chad" Ian reacts to being treated bad in the coming episodes. If he finds out that Lena and Jeremy slept together, it could obviously lead to a more submissive version of Ian, taking it as another blow to his hurt self esteem. But I could also see the storyline with Lena and Jeremy in combination with Ian and Jeremy's MMA training leading to a fight between the two guys. It would be fun having a more confident and dominant Ian deciding that he is done with taking shit and ending up beating the shit out of Jeremy.

, you practically wrote what i did, just 15 min apart.

great minds think alike

 

[herrzimm1]

Hmm... not a very bright couple, aren't they?

LOL, no. But then again, I am still trying to figure out how Wade obviously scored outside of his league. I mean, charisma can only go SO far before it runs out of influence.

Especially when you consider how Wade acts overall. I mean, it is almost like he is BEGGING someone to mess around with Cindy..... which I do every chance I get. =)

 

[herrzimm1]

I find it funny that Holly has less charisma than Perry - a fat, lazy alcoholic.

Well, you have to take into account that Holly's shyness factor (low charisma) has really "held her back" in regard to confidence. So, while Perry is a fat, lazy alcoholic, he at least has the higher level of confidence between Perry/Holly. And confidence can carry you a good way when it is considered "charisma" overall.

 

[herrzimm1]

There's no reason whatsoever that Ian can't do hard porn further on in the game - unless Eva doesn't want that. It'll probably just take some time to get to that point.

Well, I can see Axel pushing Cindy to doing it during a photoshoot with Axel behind the camera. And due to "comfort" level, Cindy would rather have Ian involved than Axel. That way Cindy can keep the whole "keep it profession" with Axel.... for now. lol

 

[Brickman]

what i'm saying Mr Bean is that can't play the role of the evil killer in a movie.(he thinks you know him Mr Bean).

Are you sure about that my friend?

 

[herrzimm1]

So… Ian, with his pretty, kind looking face, can’t play the role of a bad guy, just like Mr. Bean, with his comic nature and looks, wouldn’t fit the role of an evil murderer? Is that what you mean?

In that case I get your point, but I don’t think I fully agree. Sure, Rowan Atkinson probably only fits as Mr. Bean or a very similar character. But casting Bryan Cranston as Walter White in Breaking Bad worked so well at least partially because everyone knew him as the dorky dad in Malcolm in the Middle. And a lot of villains in pop culture have at some point been good guys. Characters change because of what happens to them during the story. And Ian, despite admittedly seeming like a typical nice guy at the start of the game, is no exception. He might not reach the levels of Eric’s dad, the thugs or Tyrone’s friends from GGGB, but that’s just because the nature of the game. Jeremy, Axel and the other guys probably won’t either.

Don't forget that it also depends on how you define the word 'villain' in general. I mean, Ian can remain the 'cool guy' overall, but he is secretly trying to bang ever possible girl in the game. Which clearly opens up the possibility of being 'evil' if someone gets there first.

Or even if not a "villain" per se, you still have the ability to play Ian with the "hit-it-once" attitude, and rather indifferent to letting his friends have a spin after he has been with someone. Not outright 'evil', but it DOES allow Ian to have a "casual" attitude in regards to doing porn-shoots with whoever asks Cindy or Lena, as well as torpedoing a possible Emma/Perry relationship just to tap Emma, and then ignore her afterward to the point of "pushing" her towards Perry or possibly even Axel or Robert if he wants.

It all really depends on just what sort of "bad guy" you mean overall. Uncaring, selfish, cruel, criminal? Just how far you go depends on what you can get away with.

 

[Priappus]

Are you sure about that my friend?

it was just a rumor, it didn't really happen,and it will never happen.

 

[Ninja of Death]

As to people playing strikingly different roles, the actor who's been Gordon on Sesame Street for over 40 years was the main character - a pimp - in the 1970s movie Willie Dynamite.