VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Beta] [Eva Kiss]

[Zedire]

I think she has help with coloring and translations, that's it. Also more cooks is not always a good idea when everyone will be working from their homes.

Having extra help might not be ideal from her perspective, but the alternative is probably a lot worse for everyone and everything involved.

As long as Eva has the final say and the communication is smooth (she's gotta make sure she gets people who know how to be professional and are reliable), hiring additional workers is better then her keeping up the same crazy workload for 10+ more chapters and who-knows how many more years that will probably take.

Also, considering that the volume of work is unlikely to become less with all the routes she needs to write, if she doesn't make some change there is a good chance every update will take roughly the same amount of time as this, and she's only human - that constant pressure to produce results is not gonna be good for her mental health in the long run (if it isn't already wearing). It can lead to creative burnout and even abandoning a project altogether if things get too hard.

Sorry to be such a downer, but I genuinely want Eva to retain her sanity through the process. lol.

 

[victkh]

&p will be faster

nope

 

[patachoucs]

ModeratorsDeletePls could we perhaps finally get people's posts only complaining about updates delay be erased please ? It's getting annoying to have so many not even talking about the game but rather complaining about not having their freebies faster.

 

[Zedire]

Considering what we saw of Axel and his reactions to Lena, I don't think it's likely he'd involve her in a threesome with another guy. He seems to want her all to himself and only willing to share her with another girl.

You're right, but maybe in this threesome scenario, it's not about Axel getting what he wants, but Lena getting what she wants for a change.

I mean, we know Axel wants Lena back, and that he's unlikely to get her back as he currently is unless she goes down the corruption path and is up for anything (in which case she probably wouldn't be exclusive to Axel anyway, so he could take it or leave it, and in this case he'd be taking it); or an Axel who is in love with Lena cleans up his act in some way so Lena will reconsider him as relationship-material. In the latter case, it wouldn't be unreasonable for a Lena who's become more assertive (sick of being the 'silly naive girl who was cheated on) to have her say in the sort of sex the have, and we know she's not against a threesome anyway, since she was okay with going along with the whole Cherry arrangement as long as she thought Cherry was just 'some girl', and not fucking Axel on the sly. So maybe she'd be open to threesomes in the future providing they're transparent about it - no more lying - and she gets to choose the third party sometimes too.

Anyway, that's just how I saw it potentially working if there was gonna be a Seymour/Lena/Axel threesome, and providing the player was going to get a choice about how much control Lena has over her life and her relationships (if they want it that way).

EDIT: That being said, you're right in that it would be hard imagining Seymour being willing to share Lena in any scenario, at least where he wasn't the one pulling the strings in the situation. Can't really fault that logic.

Axel and Seymour is a very interesting duo. They both want to corrupt Lena for their own selfish reasons. Although now they are working together (even though I suspect Seymour is using Axel without the latter being aware of it), it might end up leading to conflict betweem the 2 down the line, which could potentially lead to a very interesting scenario.

That does sound pretty interesting, too.

 

[_Zebra_]

My theory is that Eva worked too much on Chapter 8 and in order to avoid burnout, she took a longer vacation. The real development of this chapter probably started in the last week of August. The release date target: end of September. Development went on and now we got a more realistic date: end of October.

It is what it is.

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[John Doe Jr.]

I feel either she needs more help or the game will need to be downscaled. I think she has already mentioned something about the possibility of axing people like Ed's path if needed and I think she's rapidly getting close to having to make that decision. Maybe the thing with Stan is axing his route now that I think about it

 

[sztrb]

Just to clarify - are you saying you do or don't like anal for Alison?

Because if you do like it (which is what I assume), I'm thinking that anal may be something that Alison eventually come around to, although it could be a while.

I know Alison said she doesn't like anal and won't do it, but we know that Alison starts out kinda conservative, both in the way she dresses and the way she handles sex, but we also see that she is both eager to please Ian (barking like a dog during sex, which I don't think any of us were expecting) and willing to bend to Ian's will in her attempt to keep him close (first being angry when he came inside her despite her telling him not to, then accepting it, and eventually admitting it was really hot - possibly loving to do it in future). We also see how much she insists on being the focus of Ian's attention, either by cutting in on his conversations with other people, or by changing up the way she dresses when Ian comments that he finds Cherry's outfit sexy (and it's sexier then what she's wearing). A lot of what she does is an attempt to have Ian completely to herself and only looking at her - she's nuts about him. So it doesn't seem impossible that her strict stance on 'no anal' might slip down the track, especially if she finds out that Ian has done it with other girls, and/or that he really likes it.

Personally its very much my main interest in real life, porn in general and gaming. But yes, now that I've thought about it, you are right in Alison having changed her character for Ian.

Personally I really don't like the idea of Alison feeling compelled to do it just because she knows Ian likes it, while secretly not being convinced herself. It's emotional manipulation if Ian recognizes these patterns of hers and deliberately plays on her insecurities and her feelings for him to get what he wants in future, but I guess it might work for a chad Ian who is only with Alison for the sex, has thoroughly hooked her, and doesn't really care about what she wants because he believes she'll love it anyway. Man, he sounds like an asshole in that scenario. lol.

I feel like even when you don't fuck around with anyone else, it doesn't seem like Alison is quite what Ian considers to be a serious thing or have the potential to become serious, which is partly why I haven't really played the route as my consistent route since the beginning but I only played through the Alison-only route once. Although I'm also someone who has played the Ian-Lena route for at least three chapters now.

If Ian and Alison are in romantic relationship though, or Ian at least cares about her in some way, I think it makes sense for it to happen more naturally and for Alison to be totally on board with it. Like Alison goes from having her misgivings to being a bit curious, and feeling secure and trusting enough in her relationship with Ian at that point to try it. Maybe Ian has helped her to explore some other exotic aspects of sex/bdsm by that point so anal seems relatively tame or normal in comparison, and something she'd be more willing to try as a result.

But you know, if none of that happens and Alison sticks by her refusal to do it, you gotta at least admire that she knows what she wants, and won't bend on every little thing.

I mean, thats fair. Its not for everyone and I feel like you shouldn't push it in both the game or in real life.

 

[jollyjoker27]

My theory is that Eva worked too much on Chapter 8 and in order to avoid burnout, she took a longer vacation. The real development of this chapter probably started in the last week of August. The release date target: end of September. Development went on and now we got a more realistic date: end of October.

It is what it is.

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Pretty much sums up what I have been thinking for quite some time now. I didn´t want to go there since I don´t know the person "Eva Kiss" but my gut feeling plus a little reading between the lines, even going back to the last few status reports for Chapter 8 tells me the work load of this project + her pushing her work rate above healthy limits is what lead to where we are now. I may be completely off and this is all an elabote plan to milk patreons but I´d give the benefit of doubt here.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

ModeratorsDeletePls could we perhaps finally get people's posts only complaining about updates delay be erased please ? It's getting annoying to have so many not even talking about the game but rather complaining about not having their freebies faster.

Dude is unironically doing "Crying to the mods" meme.

 

[dav121]

I feel either she needs more help or the game will need to be downscaled. I think she has already mentioned something about the possibility of axing people like Ed's path if needed and I think she's rapidly getting close to having to make that decision. Maybe the thing with Stan is axing his route now that I think about it

I agree, I think what we are seeing the limitations of how much 1 person can do with a game with every growing number of multiple choices and paths. Having 2 MC's was always going to be tough then having so many other characters and arcs only added to the workload until it has become unmanageable.

 

[cheesetriangles]

Feel like the only reason to be upset is if you are an actual patreon sub. If you aren't paying then you haven't really lost anything.

 

[Skjall]

ModeratorsDeletePls could we perhaps finally get people's posts only complaining about updates delay be erased please ? It's getting annoying to have so many not even talking about the game but rather complaining about not having their freebies faster.

I agree. Cleansing flame of delete button would be most welcome indeed.
3 pages of nothing significant but complaints.

 

[BigSexy57]

Feel like the only reason to be upset is if you are an actual patreon sub. If you aren't paying then you haven't really lost anything.

Absolutly not.

If you still pay to a irresponsible developer, with constant delays of delivering that primitive content, lack of ingame options and poor scenario - you actually say "i'm allright with it, yes, you can do it with me, here's my money" - so it is complitly your fault that such a tricky developer is still in the business.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

lmao Marx was an autist who didn't understand humans and would fit in perfectly with the starbucks communists of West Coast US. He was a hypocrite who lived off the generosity of a rich friend, just like the star bucks parasites live off their parents in million dollar gated communities. It's sad anyone takes that centuries old sperg seriously.

I don't think you're giving them a fair shake. TBH, most of them think Starbucks is for plebs and go to the fair-trade coffee shop down the street that charges $8/cup of 100% organic Tanzanian coffee beans collected from serval shit by barehanded African peasants with a surcharge of 25 cents an hour so the village can eventually get a new water pump with the sliver of a percent not skimmed off the top. All so Skyler and Tacoma can feel good about themselves, sipping their serval-shit lattes as they write revolutionary calls to direct action and doxx working-class families for wrongthink from their apple laptops. Their biopics are already planned out in their minds and they hope to be on another douchebag's t-shirt one day, just like Che Guevara. Those t-shirts look dope, especially when accessorized with the right neo-retro $200 handbag.

 

[mommysboiii]

lmao Marx was an autist who didn't understand humans and would fit in perfectly with the starbucks communists of West Coast US. He was a hypocrite who lived off the generosity of a rich friend, just like the star bucks parasites live off their parents in million dollar gated communities. It's sad anyone takes that centuries old sperg seriously.

I learned to not care anymore I gave upbut if you are lucky and life long enough you will see that he was right.

 

[oopsoops]

I could be wrong, but judging on Eva's update she seems to be trying her best.

If you think the delay is due to Eva slacking off... she was in hospital a couple months ago. So show some moral support?

If you think the delay is due to Eva has too much work... pay her more so she can hire help?

Think of last time you worked your socks off and still missed your deadline, and people throw £2 at you yelling:
"Why can't you do better?"
"How long were you off to holiday for?"
"Why do you lie to me, again?"
"We are going to stop paying you ok?"
"So I guess you gona stop working until next year?"
"I've never done your job before, but obviously you need to rethink your approach!"
"Haha you are slow!"

 

[Tallyhoe]

You guys are pathetic. Nobody can say anything or is a crying complainer? We just saying constructive critics while you're too busy to lick dev's ass. We love this game or we won’t be here, talking about problems isn't hating. This game can't be completed if someone doesn't help her. Every chapter become more complex with an absurd quantity of choices, it's obvious that requires more time but if the chapter 9 taked 5 months(at best) chapter 20 will take 2 years? It's impossible to do all by herself if she want to finish this game and that's a fact.

Doesn’t sound constructive to me though.

 

[kartolas]

You guys are pathetic. Nobody can say anything or is a crying complainer? We just saying constructive critics while you're too busy to lick dev's ass. We love this game or we won’t be here, talking about problems isn't hating. This game can't be completed if someone doesn't help her. Every chapter become more complex with an absurd quantity of choices, it's obvious that requires more time but if the chapter 9 taked 5 months(at best) chapter 20 will take 2 years? It's impossible to do all by herself if she want to finish this game and that's a fact.

This thread clearly shows why I don't watch big game threads. They are a shitshow.

 

[elysium1988]

I think Eva might have hit a writers block during this update and probably found it hard to string through a way each of the plotlines will move on coherently. That's why things are taking more time. Add to that the break she had taken earlier. I think she bit more than she could chew by having two different protaganists with so many branching plotlines which is becoming harder and harder to maintain with each update.

Add to that I apparently also read somewhere that she writes the major storylines as per each update which now seems like a bad strategy. Think she should have taken 2-3 months before she even started working on the game and had readied a proper draft of the story which would have made making the game far more easier and the time between updates lesser.

It's understandable she is just human after all but yeah if it's getting harder for her and the updates are taking more time because of whatsoever reasons, think she should hire help to tackle those specific reasons. Ah well anyways can't wait till the end of the month.

 

[Wallsfalldown]

You guys are pathetic. Nobody can say anything or is a crying complainer? We just saying constructive critics while you're too busy to lick dev's ass. We love this game or we won’t be here, talking about problems isn't hating. This game can't be completed if someone doesn't help her. Every chapter become more complex with an absurd quantity of choices, it's obvious that requires more time but if the chapter 9 taked 5 months(at best) chapter 20 will take 2 years? It's impossible to do all by herself if she want to finish this game and that's a fact.

As if even 10% of the complaining here is constructive. For the comments that ARE constructive, my mockery doesn't apply to them. Use your brain, it's really not hard to figure out who I was mocking.