manscout

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Lets see: A set of antagonists that aren't all that thrilling and bland. You have Seymour, who wants to control Lena and make her a sex slave. How is that interesting? You have Axel, who is also obsessed with Lena and can't take a fucking hint and is apparently involved every fucking where. Do we really need Axel to be at a gay bar next? Jeremy is just a BBC kink and has no depth to him at all whatsoeer. Stan is... Stan. And yet the revolving drama each chapter is: Will Lena be able to afford anything while slutting it up or not? Will Ian not get cucked and become the writer he wants to be? Will Stan die in a fiery crash and be replaced?

And sure, I'm bitter and jaded as fuck about Ivy-Ian, yet the writer in me screams 'Eva could do better'. Less kink/fetish crap, more character building. Make Jeremy a decent guy instead of being the Tyrone-lite and wanna be player. Add some depth and delve into characters and their relationships such as Jeremy and Louise and have Lena try to mediate that rathr than gloss over it and reward Jeremy over and over again without little to no punishment. Not to mention Lena more or less being able to fuck around while still being into Ian and have no punishment to speak of but if Ian does it's grounds for murder. Expand on Perry's or Emma's or Cherry's or whoevers passions and interests.

So for me, yeah the story is below average and isn't interesting and lack creative 'villains'.
I agree Eva's games fall into the trap of following a strict "release cycle" development plan that often loses track of what would work best in terms of a full-fledged product. But that's pretty much the only thing I agree with, everything else reads like an extremely shallow read of most characters and mismatched expectations of what you think the story should be and what it is actually trying to be.

Also I'm just confused why you are compaining about the game's story under the argument that "Eva can do better", she made ORS, which you are currently ranking as "below average writing" in a porn game forum, and GGGB which, in relative terms, is much more riddled with stereotypes and characters that are bland representations of generic fetishes. It just sounds way more that your taste doesn't mesh well with Eva's writing than it "failing to live up to its potential".

Ultimately Eva's games are kinda like a season of a 90's sitcom you kinda liked, the characters are there to fulfill very clearly defined roles while still having some charm of their own and the story is pretty much slice of life. It is a comfortable and fun thing that works well as long as you're not looking to be challenged by it.
 

jaylop09

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But I want Seymour to be an evil mastermind trying to test and corrupt much younger girl. Axel to be a toxic, aggressive and dominant bf/ex. I want Jeremy to be a walking BBC fetish. Stan to be a creepy loser perv...

I'm not even judging those who want more from this game. But come on, it's fucking porn after all. It just has a few extra steps of context and imagination
 

JohnnyKiss

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But I want Seymour to be an evil mastermind trying to test and corrupt much younger girl. Axel to be a toxic, aggressive and dominant bf/ex. I want Jeremy to be a walking BBC fetish. Stan to be a creepy loser perv...

I'm not even judging those who want more from this game. But come on, it's fucking porn after all. It just has a few extra steps of context and imagination
SerHawkes has some weird obsession/hate for Jeremy, it's not even funny to see it anymore.

Anyway, I don't think the characters are the issue; some people, like you pointed out, want to see Jeremy be the BBC fetish and Axel being the dominant male. It's what the game is about. If you don't want for Jeremy to be the guy who fucks your girlfriends then just don't play the game that way.

It's a multip-choice, multi-path game; literally the whole point of the game is the freedom of choices.
 

Samuel Hidayat

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SerHawkes has some weird obsession/hate for Jeremy, it's not even funny to see it anymore.

Anyway, I don't think the characters are the issue; some people, like you pointed out, want to see Jeremy be the BBC fetish and Axel being the dominant male. It's what the game is about. If you don't want for Jeremy to be the guy who fucks your girlfriends then just don't play the game that way.

It's a multip-choice, multi-path game; literally the whole point of the game is the freedom of choices.
One genuine criticism I have for ORS and GGGB is that the dialogues can be pretty stiff and bland at times. There are moments when I play them and keep thinking "EK could've paraphrase this," "Character X wouldn't talk like that," "Word X would've fitted this situation better than Word F," etc.

I thought EK hiring a better wordsmith and rewriting tons of dialogues caused the long delay, and I couldn't be more wrong.
 
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Oliver Wendell Homely

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Lets see: A set of antagonists that aren't all that thrilling and bland. You have Seymour, who wants to control Lena and make her a sex slave. How is that interesting? You have Axel, who is also obsessed with Lena and can't take a fucking hint and is apparently involved every fucking where. Do we really need Axel to be at a gay bar next? Jeremy is just a BBC kink and has no depth to him at all whatsoeer. Stan is... Stan. And yet the revolving drama each chapter is: Will Lena be able to afford anything while slutting it up or not? Will Ian not get cucked and become the writer he wants to be? Will Stan die in a fiery crash and be replaced?

And sure, I'm bitter and jaded as fuck about Ivy-Ian, yet the writer in me screams 'Eva could do better'. Less kink/fetish crap, more character building. Make Jeremy a decent guy instead of being the Tyrone-lite and wanna be player. Add some depth and delve into characters and their relationships such as Jeremy and Louise and have Lena try to mediate that rathr than gloss over it and reward Jeremy over and over again without little to no punishment.
I like my porn to be on the high-brow side, too, dude, but it's too early to make the judgements you're making. I imagine if your in-game choices put Ian and Lena together on a "pure love" path and then have Lena fuck Jeremy and others, there will be "punishment," or what I prefer to call consequences. Same for Ian and Cindy, etc. But if those consequences come too early in the story, their effects are weakened.

Re the characters, they all are slightly stereotypical, but I don't find any of it unrealistic. Jeremy is a young guy with a big dick. Even if he was a really good guy, it's really hard to turn down super hot pussy when it throws itself at you. I mean, really hard. Axel, meanwhile, is a narcissist and playboy. Part of him genuinely loves Lena, but he's addicted to the game and he clearly has a dom fetish. His behavior is classic abuser. Stan comes off as a bit incel in the latest update, but his frustration is understandable. He's a decent, but very socially awkward, guy living with two hotties, one of whom treats him like shit and the other walks around half naked, lets him photograph her doing kinky shit, and maybe even invites him to jack off on her. If then she later acts like she's not interested in him romantically, he is colossally confused, because in his naive way, he sees sexual attraction and love as inseparable.
 

SerHawkes

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One genuine criticism I have for ORS and GGGB is that the dialogues can be pretty stiff and bland at times. There are moments when I play them and keep thinking "EK could've paraphrase this," "Character X wouldn't talk like that," "Word X would've fitted this situation better than Word F," etc.

I thought the long delay was caused she hired a better wordsmith and had to rewrite tons of dialogues, and I couldn't be more wrong.
Agree that. Dialouge could be better in spots, among other things naturally. But apparently criticing that is frowned on a porn thread, so I've learned from certain simpletons here. Funny that.

Now to write a diatribe on how Ivy is best girl...
 

Joshy92

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If we do get a Lena cucking Ian path which i really hope we do i hope we get choices and it's not just really extreme
For example my Ian would totally watch Lena have sex with another dude but i don't want to eat a creampie or wear a cage lol
I like loving cuckold stuff not extreme cuck stuff.
 

SerHawkes

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If we do get a Lena cucking Ian path which i really hope we do i hope we get choices and it's not just really extreme
For example my Ian would totally watch Lena have sex with another dude but i don't want to eat a creampie or wear a cage lol
I like loving cuckold stuff not extreme cuck stuff.
You already do in a fashion.
 
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SerHawkes

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I'm sorry but that's literally that jjj you serious meme.

You seem to have very optimistic idea of what constitutes as average for story in porn games.
What can I say, I like well written stories in porn games that interest me and have some actual sense of a story.
 

ffive

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What can I say, I like well written stories in porn games that interest me and have some actual sense of a story.
Sure, i think everyone prefers good than bad, when given choice. But if you truly feel one of better executed porn games is "average or below average" compared to its competitors, then i can only envy you, because it seems you've only experienced the cream of the crop, or managed to successfully block memories of anything that wasn't.
 

SerHawkes

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Sure, i think everyone prefers good than bad, when given choice. But if you truly feel one of better executed porn games is "average or below average" compared to its competitors, then i can only envy you, because it seems you've only experienced the cream of the crop, or managed to successfully block memories of anything that wasn't.
I would say I'm picky. Half the games here, while visually stunning, or have content I am interested, I don't play because either the story uninterests me or the characters are poorly crafted, or their is a literal fuckton of typos... -shivers-.

For ORS, I'm semi interested, mainly in having Ivy get her due with Ian... And some small interest in Lena-Holly blooming, while naturally cucking Jeremy from Ivy in any manner.
 

manscout

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But apparently criticing that is frowned on a porn thread, so I've learned from certain simpletons here.
Or, and I'm just throwing a wild thought here, people just disagree with your criticism, or at the very least find it overblown because of your harsh choice of words.

I think your criticism of the characters doesn't make much sense for the kind of story ORS is trying to tell, changing Jeremy to be "nicer" or Seymour and Axel to be more "complex and interesting" (which I don't find them to be particularly lacking there either, I feel any significant increase on their complexity would border on subverting their roles as clear villains) would do nothing for the story of ORS. You could make interesting characters that fit your ideas and build a different story around them, but at that point you're just making a different type of game from the games Eva Kiss wants to make (her appeal has always been the sheer quantity of choices and ways different scenarios can mesh, which, to be workable at the scale of her games, requires relatively predictable characters).

I don't have much of an opinion on the quality of the dialogue in ORS, but I feel that's more of a technical element and good criticism of it needs to be able to point out specific, or at the very least recurring, flaws in Eva's writing. Not vague stuff like "it could be better".

Just try to not take disagreement as a reason to get combative and call people simps, you can feel strongly about things that other people do not, but it does not make your taste more refined than theirs and neither does it make you some kind of free-thinking literary genius.
 

Doppelgang

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Agreed. Eva's no poet and no award-winning writer by a long shot. But we're talking games here. Not just games. Porn games. My butt poops out better dialogue and more stimulating narrative than 95% of games on this site. Eva's writing: Good enough, considering the competition. (TBF, my butt has won a Poohlitzer).
This sums it up well (and congrats to your butt on the Poohlitzer). It's good enough, which in itself sets it apart from almost every other similar game. The same applies for the other skills needed to make a game like this: create some kind of art; have the ability to also write scenes that are sexy; some basic coding; more administrative tasks like delegating smaller jobs, setting up platforms to distribute the game, communicating with the followers. It's a weird mix of skills, and most people are probably shit at one or more of them (I definitely am), but I'd say Eva is somewhere between decent and good at most or all. Some characters are a bit one dimensional, some illustrations look less good than others, some paths are less well structured than others. But overall the result is still good (and compared to the average of other porn games, I'd say exceptional).
 
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