VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.6] [Eva Kiss]

[SerHawkes]

She is the most unless character we got in this game, she is even worse than Emma.
No personality, dumb and a waste of a pretty shell overall.

Emma would like a word with ya... Bring lube.

 

[bitofaperv]

She is the most unless character we got in this game, she is even worse than Emma.
No personality, dumb and a waste of a pretty shell overall.

Cindy's selfishness, and tendency to freeload is extremely off-putting - but she is absolutely one of the best secondary characters in the game.

She's dealing with (potentially) a boyfriend, who she had once loved deeply, turning into a socially anxious hermit - developing a crush on one of his best friends - discovering that she has more options in life than administration of her father's business - questioning the pursuit of her happiness when it might hurt others (granted, this isn't handled as well as it should be by the author) - running away from her feelings after cheating...

... and probably more that I have missed due to certain permutations.

Cindy has a very strong character arc, and referring to her as a "shell" is clearly falsifiable. Being naive and selfish does not make her "dumb" either.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

F95 users will never see a game like that unfortunately... Seems like EVERY dev who wants to put as little as 1 scene of NTR (or just have the tag at that point) has to put a whole essay either in the Dev notes or in the OP about it being avoidable or not important or in some extreme cases delete it from the game before people start exploding with insecurity and fear of it ... Not to mention the fact that most people here dont know that NTR can have different meanings, like Netori or Netorase, and not just the classic Netorare "My LI is gonna be fucked by some other dude without me knowing"

Hell, some people dont even know what a lot of the terms and words they use really mean (like cuck and dom for example, as we have seen in the last 10 pages or so ). So trusting F95 users to know the difference is pointless

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I have no issue with NTR; I just don't see the difference between the two example. They are both NTR games, despite there being other options to enjoy. That's the point of the tags.

It seems to me that people who try to distinguish the two are the ones who have the real issue with it.‍♂

 

[MF_DOOM]

F95 users will never see a game like that unfortunately... Seems like EVERY dev who wants to put as little as 1 scene of NTR (or just have the tag at that point) has to put a whole essay either in the Dev notes or in the OP about it being avoidable or not important or in some extreme cases delete it from the game before people start exploding with insecurity and fear of it ... Not to mention the fact that most people here dont know that NTR can have different meanings, like Netori or Netorase, and not just the classic Netorare "My LI is gonna be fucked by some other dude without me knowing"

Hell, some people dont even know what a lot of the terms and words they use really mean (like cuck and dom for example, as we have seen in the last 10 pages or so ). So trusting F95 users to know the difference is pointless

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Thats a problem indeed. I have seen people saying that Axel touching Cindy's leg while shooting is NTR and Eva should be crucified for it.

 

[MF_DOOM]

Cindy's selfishness, and tendency to freeload is extremely off-putting - but she is absolutely one of the best secondary characters in the game.

She's dealing with (potentially) a boyfriend, who she had once loved deeply, turning into a socially anxious hermit - developing a crush on one of his best friends - discovering that she has more options in life than administration of her father's business - questioning the pursuit of her happiness when it might hurt others (granted, this isn't handled as well as it should be by the author) - running away from her feelings after cheating...

... and probably more that I have missed due to certain permutations.

Cindy has a very strong character arc, and referring to her as a "shell" is clearly falsifiable. Being naive and selfish does not make her "dumb" either.

I didnt play the game since the last update came out but from what I remember Cindy being the dumbest character out of everybody and every time I had to read through her scenes I wanted to poke out my eyes.
I dont know if it's a design choice or just shit character building from Eva Kiss, but either way if she disappears from the game tomorrow she will not be missed by me.

 

[Turret]

Welcome to F95zone.

As I argued yesterday, that is more a specific problem of this thread, this extreme focus on one topic.
For example in the "Pale Carnations" thread most aspects are discussed in depth without focussing on just one thing. For instance, we discussed scenes which the various fans found to be especially well done. We agreed that one of the very best scenes in the game is the evening drive of Felicia (a major character) and the MC. Great renders, e.g. we can even see the changing reflections of the houses on the drivers rearview mirror, coherent render sequences, very fitting music, topped off with a choice at the end which will have serious impact on the storyline. What is not to like?

Don't see what the difference is? It's still something that is part of the game so naturally it's something that will be discussed.

The thing is, as I tried to show yesterday during discussion is that here in the ORS thread the discussion about NTR blots out nearly every other topic. ORS brings more to the table than just NTR, but that sinks below waterline because some members here bring up NTR every, single, frakking page. As said, this game has more facets than just one single topic!

 

[fatpussy123]

As I argued yesterday, that is more a specific problem of this thread, this extreme focus on one topic.
For example in the "Pale Carnations" thread most aspects are discussed in depth without focussing on just one thing. For instance, we discussed scenes which the various fans found to be especially well done. We agreed that one of the very best scenes in the game is the evening drive of Felicia (a major character) and the MC. Great renders, e.g. we can even see the changing reflections of the houses on the drivers rearview mirror, coherent render sequences, very fitting music, topped off with a choice at the end which will have serious impact on the storyline. What is not to like?
The thing is, as I tried to show yesterday during discussion is that here in the ORS thread the discussion about NTR blots out nearly every other topic. ORS brings more to the table than just NTR, but that sinks below waterline because some members here bring up NTR every, single, frakking page. As said, this game has more facets than just one single topic!

I think the main reason everyone is talking about NTR so much right now is because all other topics have been heavily exhausted aswell. Just before the NTR discussion everybody, myself included, was arguing about cheating in general. Once the new chapter releases hopefully everyone will chill out and go back to discussing the game and its new content.

 

[Moryaka26]

If Ian is on Cindy's pure route when do you think they are going to start dating openly?

 

[fatpussy123]

If Ian is on Cindy's pure route when do you think they are going to start dating openly?

Well there was a two week timeskip at the end of chapter 10 and Cindy and Wade are already "taking a break" so if you're lucky maybe towards the end of this next update. But I would guess around chapter 12.

 

[88stanford88]

The thing is, as I tried to show yesterday during discussion is that here in the ORS thread the discussion about NTR blots out nearly every other topic. ORS brings more to the table than just NTR, but that sinks below waterline because some members here bring up NTR every, single, frakking page. As said, this game has more facets than just one single topic!

Because talking about NTR is so much fun… NTR includes various and different aspects of fetishism…and fetishism is the thing that warms the imagination and is an integral part of sexual desire
Nwithout fetishism in sex ,,, The result is "WHAT A BORING SEX I HAD YESTERDAY"

For example in the "Pale Carnations" thread most aspects are discussed in depth without focussing on just one thing

I have checked using the following parameter
Number of PAGES:
in Pale Carnation are less than 500
I wrote NTR in the search engine... there are 16 pages of boring post that explain .. there is no NTR...

in this thread of ORS there are almost 1800 pages.
I used the search engine the same word "NTR"

there are just 49 pages and the majority of the posts are very very interesting....
they are so interesting that I had to put on my reading glasses

even just using math...
PC thread has about 400 pages and 16 talk about NTR

here ORS thread has 1800 pages and only 49 of NTR

IMO i think you are wrong!

 

[Fibito]

New chapter should potentially come out today?
Or this weekend. If everything goes right according to eva's last status report.

 

[Gicoo]

ORS brings more to the table than just NTR, but that sinks below waterline because some members here bring up NTR every, single, frakking page. As said, this game has more facets than just one single topic!

True, to showcase the games rich facets, there is not only Netorare, but Netori, Netorase, Reverse Netorare, Cuckqueen, Swinging and so on.

 

[Turret]

Because talking about NTR is so much fun… NTR includes various and different aspects of fetishism…and fetishism is the thing that warms the imagination and is an integral part of sexual desire
Nwithout fetishism in sex ,,, The result is "WHAT A BORING SEX I HAD YESTERDAY"

I have no problem with talking about various fetishes, but for quite a while the ORS thread is just about one topic.

I have checked using the following parameter
Number of post:
in Pale Carnation are less than 500
I wrote NTR in the search engine... there are 16 pages of boring post that explain .. there is no NTR...

in this thread of ORS there are almost 1800 pages.
I used the search engine the same word "NTR"

there are just 49 pages and the majority of the posts are very very interesting....
they are so interesting that I had to put on my reading glasses

even just using math...
PC thread has about 400 pages and 16 talk about NTR

here ORS thread has 1800 pages and only 49 of NTR

IMO i think you are wrong!

Pardon me, but you are cherrypicking here!
The typical posts in the ORS thread are a couple repeated, ad nauseam, oneliner, e.g. "Update when?", which acount for several hundred pages alone. The typical PC answer is quite a bit longer.
Pale Carnations has not quite as large fanbase as ORS, which explains the lower number of pages. But that is because PC is not for everyone. It might not currently have NTR, but it covers alot more fetishes than ORS and not just the "nice" ones. Pale Carnations is a crime story with strong fetish elements at heart and goes dark quite a bit (and depending on the path you are on it can go much darker in the future).
Some elements are disgusting, but Pale Carnations is a really great erotic game. There is a reason why it is among the top 3 ranked games of F95. Among them the great character design, even most side characters are memorable.
When it comes to Love interests, Mina might be the potentially most vanilla romance route in all of Pale Carnations, but even she blows most of the ORS female cast out of the water without trying.

 

[Tray73]

No, thanks, I dont stick my dick in commies.

What political demand of Emma makes you think that she is communist?

 

[bitofaperv]

New chapter should potentially come out today?
Or this weekend. If everything goes right according to eva's last status report.

Maybe a beta release, but I wouldn't get your hopes too high. Next week is much more likely. I hope I am wrong though.

Edit: I say this because updates have not been weekly for months.

 

[bitofaperv]

What political demand of Emma makes you think that she is communist?

Haha. I almost made mention of this.

Equating protest against gentrification to a Communist agenda is extremely ignorant. I would even argue that it isn't even an explicit "left wing" activity.

It's kind of ironic given the person's post history. I would have thought that getting fucked in the ass by opportunistic privilege would be something that made them uncomfortable.

 

[Turret]

What political demand of Emma makes you think that she is communist?

I cannot speak for Mr_doom ,but my problem with Emma is not mainly her poiitical outlook, but her belief to be always in the right, even if she just goes by gut feeling and nothing else.

 

[JohnnyKiss]

As I argued yesterday, that is more a specific problem of this thread, this extreme focus on one topic.
For example in the "Pale Carnations" thread most aspects are discussed in depth without focussing on just one thing. For instance, we discussed scenes which the various fans found to be especially well done. We agreed that one of the very best scenes in the game is the evening drive of Felicia (a major character) and the MC. Great renders, e.g. we can even see the changing reflections of the houses on the drivers rearview mirror, coherent render sequences, very fitting music, topped off with a choice at the end which will have serious impact on the storyline. What is not to like?
The thing is, as I tried to show yesterday during discussion is that here in the ORS thread the discussion about NTR blots out nearly every other topic. ORS brings more to the table than just NTR, but that sinks below waterline because some members here bring up NTR every, single, frakking page. As said, this game has more facets than just one single topic!

I still don't see the issue, which, according to other people (and math) isn't really even an issue. Just few days ago we had literal pages upon pages of people posting their tier lists which dwarfs the amount of current discussion. I didn't find it particularly interesting but you didn't see me tell people to stop talking about it.

Imo, any part of the game (tag) should be freely discussed as long as people aren't being dicks about it. Like, why the fuck is there a "Turn Based Combat" tag?!?!

 

[bitofaperv]

Like, why the fuck is there a "Turn Based Combat" tag?!?!

It's a very generous descriptor for a couple of the martial arts sequences.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

I have no issue with NTR; I just don't see the difference between the two example. They are both NTR games, despite there being other options to enjoy. That's the point of the tags.

It seems to me that people who try to distinguish the two are the ones who have the real issue with it.‍♂

When you say "[X] is a NTR game," many will immediately think that said game is mainly about NTR. ORS is obviously not that since the NTR stuff doesn't completely overwhelmed other contents.