VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[| Vee |]

No. Cuckoldry is based on jealosy and humiliation. Seymour isn't attached to Lena as a person, so he isn't jealous and, therefore, there is no humiliation. She is jast a blank canvas for him. A perfect doll. Even if she is related to someone from his past, it's this connection that matters, not Lena as a person. That's why he doesn't give a fuck what she does with her life if he still gets to mold, corrupt and control her. He gets off on the power itself, not on any particular act.

The only thing I am not sure about is his endgoal. He can corrupt her into the Queen of Whores or into the lowliest of bitches. I would hope for the former but it's probably the latter.

So he can be simply a Voyeur. Damn! Games among riches is quite fucking different.

If anyone have similar stories/VN do share I'm gotta need to learn about them methods.

 

[Socrambus]

IRL it depends on the promotions, managers, and fighters themselves. Amateurs who seek to elevate their skills and brand might fight often, maybe even up to two times a months (Mike Tyson did this pace until his 20th fight I think).

Well, since Wen confirmed there's a fight every month, this could be a great opportunity to consider injury and potential drug abuse affecting your combat performance. Like, Ian can win with severe injuries, so he either has to back out, keep fighting with fucked up physique, or abuse "chicken and broccoli" to boost his recovery.

Would be fun if we get to see fighters based TRT Vitor and Allisteroid Ubereem lmao.

It would fit with Eva's preferred narratives if doping appears as an option for Ian and probably Jeremy. It would probably be treated as any other drug with her usual overstated addictive effects. It would also be pretty easy making doping negatively affect libido and sexual performance (I don't have any idea of IRL dopping and how realistic it would be but it fits with most people preconceived notions and the most prevalent tropes).

Narratively, it would fit better with Jeremy because he seems to be really interested in the competitive fighting and sees himself with a real possibility of being succesful and earning money. For Ian is more like a hobby than a possible career path, so you would need to make the fights personal somehow to make it semi-realistic Ian being tempted into cheating using doping.

 

[Andrea9999]

Who knows what is the endgame of Seymour,old ass man with snail pace plot development smh

But Xupuzulla (love the name!),
I believe Eva's plan is for the Seymour arc to eventually take center stage for those who want to go down that road. There are two main reasons I believe this.
1. On their second dinner date, before going for the second time to his office for the mirror vibrator game, there is a frame where Seymour asks for Lena's "dream trip". Lena is given the choices of 1. Italy, 2. Japan, 3. Dubai. This seems very out of left field unless Eva has big plans for Lena in this arc. I also want to point out the sinister suspenseful music in their interludes and the fact that Dubai is a big center for white slavery and human trafficking.
2. While I have only played one full instance of the game so far, it was with Lena being very promiscuous and nowhere else does she act uncomfortably and somberly erotic and then have an orgasm in which she completely loses control of her bladder with such a contorted facial expression. See below; i hid it in a spoiler envelope. I think EK means this to be very special. (I am playing a second instance in which I am keeping Lena celibate except for lesbian affairs in order to focus on the Seymour arc. While my sex life is rather vanilla now, I use to be quite wild and submissive and like to vicariously relive those days online.)

Spoiler: Lena's first orgasm within Seymour's contract

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[Leongen43]

They believe that Seymour takes advantage of the opportunity to kill Ian at the tournament, maybe he hires terminator Jack to destroy him there when Jeremy sacrifices himself to save him unless Ivy goes topless and distracts him, in that case we will have the updates inside the mind Ian because maybe the rest of his body doesn't work, I wonder if he regrets signing up for the tournament?

 

[Andrea9999]

Yes and I believe that Seymour is EK's favorite/invested character imo as she was pretty butthurt about polls and Seymour. I forgot exact line she said. It was about polls in Q&A iirc.

I completely agree! See my above reply to Xupuzulla.
I have a feeling EK may really push the envelope. She cannot do anything illegal given that all is drawing, but she may need to keep within the confines of Patreon....or publish "alternate" versions elsewhere. I love that Lena can be developed as beautiful, artistic, intelligent, and respectable while having such a dark sinister providing an intense dramatic contrast. This has much more potential than GGGB in my view.
BTW What did you mean about this: " s she was pretty butthurt about polls and Seymour. I forgot exact line she said. It was about polls in Q&A iirc." I am very curious.

 

[| Vee |]

...BTW What did you mean about this: " s she was pretty butthurt about polls and Seymour. I forgot exact line she said. It was about polls in Q&A iirc." I am very curious.

She was a bit down that after putting so much on Seymour he is not receiving the results as EK desired that he should achieve in polls specifically and she stated something like "I guess audience is not appreciating/interested that much in Seymour as she thought they would be".


IMO Seymour is still the ultimate villain of ORS and the other candidate would be Agnes but she is not given that much screen time. Axel is just a baby infront of Seymour.

 

[Socrambus]

She was a bit down that after putting so much on Seymour he is not receiving the results as EK desired that he should achieve in polls specifically and she stated something like "I guess audience is not appreciating/interested that much in Seymour as she thought they would be".


IMO Seymour is still the ultimate villain of ORS and the other candidate would be Agnes but she is not given that much screen time. Axel is just a baby infront of Seymour.

She tries to write a sophisticate villain who quotes Nietzsche and people prefer big cocks and an incel. Kinda depressing.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I get it but she has to learn the audience shes writing for. You could make him as sophisticated as you want but if he's not in enough sex scenes being dominant as fuck its not gonna play to this audience for the most part

 

[BlandChili]

She tries to write a sophisticate villain who quotes Nietzsche and people prefer big cocks and an incel. Kinda depressing.

Actually the pretentiousness is one of the elements about Seymour that turns me off of him. That and the unexplained obsession with Lena, of course.

He spouts blog-level brain-farts in an attempt to seem cultured and suave and all his points are very black/white in terms of political outlook. If he was more self-aware, even if ultimately still selfish, and didn't present highschool-level philosophy as a basis for his world-view, I'd be more curious to see what his route contained. To add to what he presents as, his attention towards Lena makes zero sense if you play negatively towards him. He comes off as extremely cartoonish. His ultimate deal is so limiting towards Lena and what she can do, that I don't even feel it's all that attractive even when you play her as a more selfish character.

 

[SerHawkes]

Actually the pretentiousness is one of the elements about Seymour that turns me off of him. That and the unexplained obsession with Lena, of course.

He spouts blog-level brain-farts in an attempt to seem cultured and suave and all his points are very black/white in terms of political outlook. If he was more self-aware, even if ultimately still selfish, and didn't present highschool-level philosophy as a basis for his world-view, I'd be more curious to see what his route contained. To add to what he presents as, his attention towards Lena makes zero sense if you play negatively towards him. He comes off as extremely cartoonish. His ultimate deal is so limiting towards Lena and what she can do, that I don't even feel it's all that attractive even when you play her as a more selfish character.

The kick is this: EK has put in so much to this character, just to try and draw him as this super evil villain and well crafted character... And yet? He's really not all that interesting. You nailed with him being cartoonish. It was almost like EK's attempt to have a character be THE BIG baddie flopped hard.

Now, granted we could see more of him and see if there will be actually any true consequences if we choose not to go in league with him. But as of right now, despite EK having a love boner for him, he's really not all that hyped.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Actually the pretentiousness is one of the elements about Seymour that turns me off of him. That and the unexplained obsession with Lena, of course.

He spouts blog-level brain-farts in an attempt to seem cultured and suave and all his points are very black/white in terms of political outlook. If he was more self-aware, even if ultimately still selfish, and didn't present highschool-level philosophy as a basis for his world-view, I'd be more curious to see what his route contained. To add to what he presents as, his attention towards Lena makes zero sense if you play negatively towards him. He comes off as extremely cartoonish. His ultimate deal is so limiting towards Lena and what she can do, that I don't even feel it's all that attractive even when you play her as a more selfish character.

Pretty much, you took the words from my mouth.

Also Eva Kiss should have started way sooner with him if she wanted people to "fall in love" with his corruption game. The fact that his route is way late when compared to the other (boring) male love interests for Lena likely helped kill any hype the dev wanted to pass to the players.

 

[Andrea9999]

She was a bit down that after putting so much on Seymour he is not receiving the results as EK desired that he should achieve in polls specifically and she stated something like "I guess audience is not appreciating/interested that much in Seymour as she thought they would be".


IMO Seymour is still the ultimate villain of ORS and the other candidate would be Agnes but she is not given that much screen time. Axel is just a baby infront of Seymour.

Very sorry to hear that. If the Seymour-Lena-Dubai arc is abandoned then my interest in this game drops to near zero. Where can I vote? It might be that females are more drawn to this sort of thing than males.
Maybe the general populace misinterpreted the poll to indicate people they "like" as opposed to those they "enjoy".

 

[dolfe67]

She was a bit down that after putting so much on Seymour he is not receiving the results as EK desired that he should achieve in polls specifically and she stated something like "I guess audience is not appreciating/interested that much in Seymour as she thought they would be".

She also said a lot of the audience recognize themselves in Stan because of his popularity

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

She also said a lot of the audience recognize themselves in Stan because of his popularity

Damn now that is a third degree burn.

 

[noturiah]

Actually the pretentiousness is one of the elements about Seymour that turns me off of him. That and the unexplained obsession with Lena, of course.

He spouts blog-level brain-farts in an attempt to seem cultured and suave and all his points are very black/white in terms of political outlook. If he was more self-aware, even if ultimately still selfish, and didn't present highschool-level philosophy as a basis for his world-view, I'd be more curious to see what his route contained. To add to what he presents as, his attention towards Lena makes zero sense if you play negatively towards him. He comes off as extremely cartoonish. His ultimate deal is so limiting towards Lena and what she can do, that I don't even feel it's all that attractive even when you play her as a more selfish character.

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but my take on Seymour is that he's not meant to be cultured or particularly intelligent. I take him as an example of someone who, having achieved a certain level of success and wealth, decides that means he must always have been smart and sophisticated and that he deserves everything he wants. So he starts spouting an easy, surface-level ideology which may sound fancy or literate. But underneath it's all a matter of might makes right and he with the most toys wins. And for Seymour "the most toys" seems to include people, which I would argue is potentially very threatening. He does come off as cartoonish. But his wealth and his ego are, unfortunately, all too real. If he were only obsessed with Lena, that would be creepy. But he seems to be growing as interested in Ian as well, just in a less sexual way. And even Axel, who has plenty of ego and a controlling personality, basically becomes a yes-man in front of Seymour.

 

[Socrambus]

Actually the pretentiousness is one of the elements about Seymour that turns me off of him. That and the unexplained obsession with Lena, of course.

He spouts blog-level brain-farts in an attempt to seem cultured and suave and all his points are very black/white in terms of political outlook. If he was more self-aware, even if ultimately still selfish, and didn't present highschool-level philosophy as a basis for his world-view, I'd be more curious to see what his route contained. To add to what he presents as, his attention towards Lena makes zero sense if you play negatively towards him. He comes off as extremely cartoonish. His ultimate deal is so limiting towards Lena and what she can do, that I don't even feel it's all that attractive even when you play her as a more selfish character.

I said it mostly as a joke, but you're right, she tried, but the execution is lacklustre. For me the main issue with his behaviour is him blocking Lena from all her other sources of income no matter how Lena behaves toward him. It would be a really unsubtle anc inelegant move for the general feeling Eva's trying to give to the character in any case, but it's specially crazy when Seymour does that to a Lena interested in working with him.

Although, I'm not sure if a better written Seymour would have made much of a difference on his popularity. He lost against Marcel before Marcel even got any scene. He literally lost against an almost blank slate who might have a BBC.

She also said a lot of the audience recognize themselves in Stan because of his popularity

It sounds about right. I wouldn't be surprised that even part of the audience hating Stan is also because they partly recognize themselves in him and dislike being confronted against the parts of themselves they hate. A bit like all the hate Shinji (from Evangelion) has always received from the audience.

 

[Xupuzulla]

Pretty much, you took the words from my mouth.

Also Eva Kiss should have started way sooner with him if she wanted people to "fall in love" with his corruption game. The fact that his route is way late when compared to the other (boring) male love interests for Lena likely helped kill any hype the dev wanted to pass to the players.

Yes,is the glacial pace what makes Seymour so boring,doenst help that hes a rich douche who smells his own farts,really hard to like him,the only good about him is he pays Lena good money.

 

[Xupuzulla]

She also said a lot of the audience recognize themselves in Stan because of his popularity

EK hates Stan,at this point is not even a secret anymore.
"I have problems writing him,why you dont like Seymour instead waaaaah"meanwhile she gives tons of content to Robert,the only character hated by everyone.
EK has some weird priorities...

 

[Leongen43]

Because it seems that Seymour is the man who feeds the city and no one goes against him, especially those who have a career and want to see it progress, because what they know, they know that he can help them or he can end their work and projects. in the future, so if Lena accepts, she has to know that the only way to leave him without negative consequences is if he wants to and perhaps it will be when Lena seems like a boring woman to him when he has already satisfied his needs.

 

[0tt0von]

I don't disagree with what you're saying, but my take on Seymour is that he's not meant to be cultured or particularly intelligent. I take him as an example of someone who, having achieved a certain level of success and wealth, decides that means he must always have been smart and sophisticated and that he deserves everything he wants. So he starts spouting an easy, surface-level ideology which may sound fancy or literate. But underneath it's all a matter of might makes right and he with the most toys wins. And for Seymour "the most toys" seems to include people, which I would argue is potentially very threatening. He does come off as cartoonish. But his wealth and his ego are, unfortunately, all too real. If he were only obsessed with Lena, that would be creepy. But he seems to be growing as interested in Ian as well, just in a less sexual way. And even Axel, who has plenty of ego and a controlling personality, basically becomes a yes-man in front of Seymour.

Or say a guy who was born wealthy and thinks he hit a home run. Plenty of real world examples of that cough... elon musk... cough.