VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[ffive]

Mark sending the picture to Ivy without Holly's permission doesn't exempt Ivy from her responsability for forwarding it to Lena (and god knows who else) without permission. I think that people are entirely within their rights to expect other people to not share private and explicit pictures of them without their consent, not really something where you can argue "Holly should have known better" while simultaneously excusing Ivy's behavior and saying she isn't "corrupting" Holly.

I'm mostly arguing that with Ivy and Holly becoming friends, they're probably considerably less uptight about "mah privacy" in the context of sending sexy selfies to another friend they've been sexual with. And that it's perfectly plausible for Ivy to be upfront with Holly about sharing these pictures with Lena, instead of doing it behind Holly's back.

It is also worth noting that if this is invasion of Holly's privacy, then Lena shows zero concern about it and doesn't bother to check even once with Holly if maybe her precious privacy was compromised by evil Ivy.

I don't know how far into the "radical free will" direction you want to argue, but unless you want to ignore the existence of pushers, enablers and deny the existence of any kind of social influence, then I will point out once again that Ivy is really insistent in propagandizing her lifestyle and targetting insecurities to manipulate other people.

Existence of these factors doesn't mean people are incapable of saying no, or expressing displeasure or discomfort when they were coerced into doing something that caused them either of these feelings. If not to the person responsible, then to one's other friends. Not only Holly shows no signs of such reactions, but she also willingly participates in casual sex entirely on her own and without any input from Ivy. So i think it's reasonable to accept simple possibility her continuous participation is out of her own volition.

Idk what you were cooking with Cindy (I guess the single-minded stubborness?) or with Alison (she's in a midlife crisis and easily suggestible towards anything, her "tough" personality is barely allowing her to cope).

Stubbornness *and* very little interest in trying to see things from other person's point of view, or even showing any real interest in the feelings of those other people. Both Cindy and Alison are mostly concerned about what they want and the problems in their own lives. They expect to always be listened to, but rarely listening themselves.

Emma actually has several conversations about how she won't push her lifestyle on other people, the vegan thing is an easy example, I do not recall any instances of her acting condescending or treating someone as lesser for disagreeing with her, even her beef with Seymour is much more about opposing his actions and their consequences.

Emma regularly tries to push her views of Seymour on Lena despite earlier disagreements, and she dislikes Lena disagreeing with her about it, to the point where it'll damage the relationship score. She'll similarly dislike it if Lena displays opinions on other subjects which don't match her own.

Is your argument that the literal corruption route results in a corrupted Holly?

My argument is that the whole "corruption" thing is bullshit and the idea that Ivy shows Holly how to have fun in ways Holly hasn't experienced, and that Holly has the nerve to enjoy this experience, isn't really basis for any sort of hand-wringing how bad Ivy is for doing it. Holly isn't becoming a worse or "corrupted" person because she learns that casual sex is something she likes.

Holly will embrace her inner lust and become a baddie alongside Ivy or whatever and everyone lives happily ever after.

Really, enjoying casual sex makes Holly a "baddie"? Why would you say that?

 

[ffive]

Right after the second Holly Trinity sex scene my playthrough jumps to a really short scene between Lena and Ian that feels disconected from everything. Is this a bug or its just like that?

It's a bug, the game doesn't take into account a condition which should exclude that scene on the Trinity route.

 

[manscout]

Really, enjoying casual sex makes Holly a "baddie"? Why would you say that?

"baddie" as in a compliment. Hot, confident, seductive, etc. Her general demeanor is already changing towards that in the corruption route, I never said it was wholly a bad thing, just that I don't respect how Ivy goes about it and that it could easily have ended as a bad thing.

The romance routes (specially with some points in holly_change) also show a Holly that is more in touch with her sexuality, it feels considerably more "casual" than the more hardcore fetishization of sexual acts in the corruption route. Let's not act like corruption route is just healthly "enjoying casual sex", it is much more about pushing Holly's sexual boundaries beyond its limits to cover for her insecurities after things don't work out with Ian.

For the rest, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I would not trust the wellbeing of a person looking into picking up some new habits to someone like Ivy because she simply won't listen while also being very pushy and self-assured with some pretty reckless methods, and she is uniquely more manipulative and judgemental compared to characters that aren't straight up bad guys. Lena losing RP points with Emma by disagreeing with her about Seymour means nothing for this argument until she starts treating Lena as an inferior person over that, in the same way Seymour treats Lena as inferior if she refuses to go along his bs and in the same way Ivy constantly treats Holly as an inferior woman for having less of a body-count.

 

[Xupuzulla]

I kinda knew Ivy was popular with both patreons and F95 users but this whole "im going to drug my friends and people are still going to defend me" popularity is wild to me
The one and only the BBC queen,Ivy the VIPER

 

[russelld]

Is it true that if I want Lena to agree to a serious relationship with Ian, she cannot wake up Jeremy while he's sleeping in Louise's bed?

 

[Gicoo]

Is it true that if I want Lena to agree to a serious relationship with Ian, she cannot wake up Jeremy while he's sleeping in Louise's bed?

Yes. Closest she can do to him is blow him during the bet, they count that as just as a drunken game and fooling around (sure). But once Lena fucked him, she won't get into a serious relationship with Ian, since she slept with his friend.

 

[Thriller]

We are getting fucking Stan scenes before any real Ivy scene bro smh why must Eva cockblock me..

 

[Zirael Q]

Nope just Lena's pov, but according to the Christmas poll, she could be the next one in getting a big content.

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why am I not surprised lol

 

[russelld]

After playing it around 20 times I finally somehow managed to get Ian and Cindy together. Not sure what choices I made to finally get there. She's a tough nut to crack.

 

[ffive]

I kinda knew Ivy was popular with both patreons and F95 users but this whole "im going to drug my friends and people are still going to defend me" popularity is wild to me

Really, with the wild acclaim Arthur gets both here and from the patrons, you're surprised that drugging people into having sex could be less than capital offense for a character to commit?

 

[BIGBALLCOK!!]

I played like that too

EXACTLY!!! SAY NO TO CUCKERY. IT IS TIME FOR THE RISE OF SIGMAS!!!

 

[BIGBALLCOK!!]

The game dev should at the end of the story merge Lena and Ian where they have two heads, four arms and four legs, and basically become a mutated genghis khan and occur the world with the army of people they have slept with.

 

[Madarahyuuga]

EXACTLY!!! SAY NO TO CUCKERY. IT IS TIME FOR THE RISE OF SIGMAS!!!

This game is so good that I want to play all the routes, so far I played Ian alpha, Ian alone, with Lena but I never got the cuckold

 

[metagrossrj]

If Eva actually followed patreon polls and demands for making her game like these people claim to, we'd be having BBC gangbangs, Arthur and Ed going town on all female cast, Ivy with a male cast and Lena cheating on Ian with Jeremy by now, not to forget Ian would've been dead already but considering we don't have any of it till now I doubt it.
These polls are just for patreon engagement.

On the other hand, we do apparently have some Jeremy and some Stan action, which was also something that patreons wanted.

 

[Lady Lurchimore (No2)]

I kinda knew Ivy was popular with both patreons and F95 users but this whole "im going to drug my friends and people are still going to defend me" popularity is wild to me
The one and only the BBC queen,Ivy the VIPER
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To be honest the scene came across completely different to me than it has to you and others. For me the level of infantilizing of Holly as a character required to blame her actions and choices on anyone other than her is what is wild. It removes any agency from her. She's a woman not a child. If you're a grown ass woman and the only "coercion" needed to get you to take drugs and suck of 7 gross losers is your friends will be disappointed in you by any metric you're pathetic and that would be entirely on you.

Which in my view isn't what happened anyway. Holly is making choice after choice that is leading her to be the sluttiest of sluts. Not much different than the sluttier versions of GGGBs MC where she increasingly went of the rails drugs and sex wise.

Holly is this game's Ashley, the good girl gone bad that's going off the deep end with sex and drugs we just don't directly control her this time. Slut Holly is for the streets, as it should be.

 

[russelld]

This game is so good that I want to play all the routes, so far I played Ian alpha, Ian alone, with Lena but I never got the cuckold

If you tell her that you like the idea of other men seeing her on Stalkfap and when she's giving you a footjob you ask her for details on why she is so good at it (regarding her sexual experiences with other men), then you will be on the cuckold path.

 

[Dr.Sloth]

We don't have any changelog for the last versions, is it only Lena x Seymour?

 

[gregers]

We don't have any changelog for the last versions, is it only Lena x Seymour?

13.1 was Lena in Rome with Seymour, 13.2 is Lena back in town, hooking up with whomever else she might be involved with.

 

[HalloweenBox]

Axel is so cute, I can't-- I'd love to see more content with him and Lena <3

 

[Joshua Sanders]

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Your statement is False. It is the sex positive bullshit that your gender studies professor who never set foot in a strip club will fill young minds with. It is all theory and no practice.

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Heroics are measured by a different bar of conduct than foolishness, greed, or attention seeking.

If my kid is getting attacked by a bear, I'm going to have to step in and put myself between the bear and my kid. I would definitely be sympathetic to anyone in such a situation.

That is not the same thing as me going off the grid, and going to Alaska and trying to be one with the bears like

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. As for Timothy Treadwell getting my sympathy? Not so much!

Very well put. Most people in this forum are immature kids. They talk a big a talk, but most of them have never even left they room to buy candy in a store lol. They have 0 idea of what a life really is and 0 experience with women. I will even tell you this. I know many of these people thinks that a relationship with a woman goes exactly as they see in these vns. What is a shame.