VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

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GGGB was equally balanced in story and kinks

I feel like this is a case or rose nostalgia glasses more than anything else. Most of individual plot lines in GGGB were basically devices for different kinks, with very little story content that wasn't directly tied to those kinks.

 

[Ray_D]

Nah, we are being tame in our judgement here, specially me.

Some of us here have been here since the very first iteration of this game. Hell, some of us even supported this game finacially, self included. Many hoped that this game would turn out to be something other than a fancied up iteration of GGGB. Myself? I had two things in mind: Naturally Ian and Ivy, but also I was curious on how EK would grow going from GGGB into this one.

For the first year and a half or so, things looked promising. Story did have some bumps but there was some measure of ground work laid that could have been built on. At the same time: There wasn't a months apart meeting from Lena ala the Prologue, Ian and Axel could be semi buddy with each other, and Ivy and Ian had some measure of a flirty exchange in the first iteration.
Similiarly when asked about Ian and Ivy, EK said and claimed that they were on the back burner and she was trying to figure how to incorperate them. This was in year two. Sure, that makes some sense, being around Chapter 6 or so.

Then came the first rework. Wade. Now, originally, Wade had a job yet was not putting in enough effort in the relationship with Cinders. Also, Ian and Ivy's flirty moment was changed to her giving him a peck on the cheek. Outside of that nothing changed. Story remained the same yet there was more of a different tone of things. Not longer were we getting more story being progressed and we saw more and more panderment to kinks. More sex, less story. Sure, some could say thats a good thing. Others would argue differently. Me, I see it as a problem. At the time there were some kinks here and there, scattered among the chapters, which is well and fine. But since Chapter 6 there has been more and more showings of more and more kinks and fetishs. Not really a great sign, esspecially when EK herself said she didn't want to ORS to turn into another GGGB. Also... and here is a kicker: She said that she WASN'T GOING TO ADD ANYMORE CHARACTERS TO THE STORY SINCE THE CAST WAS ALREADY BOLSTEROUS AS IS.

What do we get? Cameo Jack for a one off scene and possible romance with Lena, Shopclerk Gal likely going to hook up with Lena at some time, Mark, Marcel, fucking Arthur from GGGB, among others, ALL FOR LENA. Ian though? Path pending scene with Bad Girl Jess and a one time meet and greet with Natalie.

And of course we can't forget the illustrious STAN UPDATE in year three. An update that not only didn't change or add anything to Stan's character, but also changed the prologue to a pointless months away remeet and greet with Lena and made Ian think he was a creepy stalker, as well as change the possible buddy ship with Axel to spending more time with your dumbass friend Jeremy and removed the peck on the cheek with Ivy into a normal, boring encounter. And instead of advancing on from the story side on both, its been a slog of Lena being able to fuck anyone without any consequence and Ian getting possibly punished if he does anything, while slamming in more kink and fetish content because EK lives in a constant echo chamber filled of sycophants that want their kinks catered too over and over again.

I stopped my support of this game just after Wade's update because I had a feeling this was how it was going to be and of course I was right. To have such hopes for this game only to be met with disregard and a sharp change of direction, all because of the risk of "losing" her supports in not catering to their very kink it to be quite frank, disappointing and very frustrating. I'm not alone in this venture, though I am certainly the most vocal in my disappointment. The thing with being critical of developers is that some tend surround themselves with yescunts and live in their safe little space of an echo chamber, thinking they can cater and appease everyone but end up failing to such ventures, all because they listen too much to the supporters and their requests over and over again for certain content which is already overly pandered to. As a result, their own game suffers, despite their best efforts to try and "balance" things. And as a result, here we are.

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Certainly, it is a pity that eva has lost her balance. All that to see jabba the hutt fuck lena.

 

[Jplays512]

Stop it guys. The game is amazing and her work is a masterpiece. With all the different paths and angles and how each and every choice effects the story, there is no VN out there that can match ORS. You can virtually write your own story each time you play. How many VN's can boast this? None.

Honestly the amount of branching is the problem tho. It turned the game from being a story with sex to a porno that sometimes gives more story. There are so many love interests that the story is snail paced.

It doesn’t help that most of the sex scenes (and soft core scenes) are usually just the same scene with 1 of 3 replaceable love interest models. I feel VN’s need to be properly trimmed and managed or you are going to have some branches not getting enough nutrients and start dying. At least to me that seems to be where we have been for a few chapters now and it seems to be getting worse not better.

 

[Ray_D]

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It's no surprise that you like this kind of thing.

 

[StormHowl]

I feel like this is a case or rose nostalgia glasses more than anything else. Most of individual plot lines in GGGB were basically devices for different kinks, with very little story content that wasn't directly tied to those kinks.

I think the story was good and subjective for different people..

 

[Geigi]

Certainly, it is a pity that eva has lost her balance. All that to see jabba the hutt fuck lena.

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[SerHawkes]

I think the story was good and subjective for different people..

GGGB story was handled well enough given the pathing. You had one main character and various other branches. While some intertwined here and there, for the most part the story was essentially how to handle Ashley: Make her successful with working a corp job (with or without being a slut), going into the modelling path, becoming a stripper, drug dealer, or jail/death. Semi simple.

Here though, we have two main characters, a over abundance of branches that at times is hard even for EK and her supposed helpers, to keep it cosistent. At first, this ambition wasn't bad to begin with. Now though? We see far more sexual content, that is reused scenes 90% of the time just reshaded or tweaked with Lena ad nausium, while Ian gets barely any scenes or screen time with the girls at all. There is no more balance as it was 3-4 years ago.

 

[Jplays512]

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[Ray_D]

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[StormHowl]

GGGB story was handled well enough given the pathing. You had one main character and various other branches. While some intertwined here and there, for the most part the story was essentially how to handle Ashley: Make her successful with working a corp job (with or without being a slut), going into the modelling path, becoming a stripper, drug dealer, or jail/death. Semi simple.

Here though, we have two main characters, a over abundance of branches that at times is hard even for EK and her supposed helpers, to keep it cosistent. At first, this ambition wasn't bad to begin with. Now though? We see far more sexual content, that is reused scenes 90% of the time just reshaded or tweaked with Lena ad nausium, while Ian gets barely any scenes or screen time with the girls at all. There is no more balance as it was 3-4 years ago.

Plus there is no content for Ian cucking other guys. No accountability for females but more accountability for the men. Eva certainly is downplaying the male protagonist and the males in this game in general.

 

[dolfe67]

Plus there is no content for Ian cucking other guys. No accountability for females but more accountability for the men. Eva certainly is downplaying the male protagonist and the males in this game in general.

He's cucking Wade with Cindy, Minerva's husband and might cuck Jeremy with Louise. Do you want him to cuck a random?

 

[Gicoo]

He's cucking Wade with Cindy, Minerva's husband and might cuck Jeremy with Louise. Do you want him to cuck a random?

He isn't cucking Jeremy, that guy doesn't consider Louise his girlfriend.

Jeremy is uncuckable. If you tell him you fucked the girls he is with and/or he tries to go after, his eyes widen, his stature rises, his fist lashes out and with bombastic voice he explodes: "AMAZING BRO, YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN, I'M SO PROUD OF YOU, GIMME FIVE!"

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[SerHawkes]

Stop it guys. The game is amazing and her work is a masterpiece. With all the different paths and angles and how each and every choice effects the story, there is no VN out there that can match ORS. You can virtually write your own story each time you play. How many VN's can boast this? None.

My guy in christ... 5 years ago I would have agree with you. Now? The game is borderline below average and her "work" is entirely run of the mill at this point. Sure there are all different paths that affect the story, yet I'm 5 years in waiting for one damn path to come onto the launch pad, with only recent times getting small crumbs of hope. There are quite a number of games that have many paths that affect the story that are on par, if not do a better job than ORS.

So, politely, I call bullshit.

 

[StormHowl]

He's cucking Wade with Cindy, Minerva's husband and might cuck Jeremy with Louise. Do you want him to cuck a random?

It's more like cheating than cucking, wade and Minerva's husband don't know anything about it when it happens.

might cuck Jeremy with Louise.

Jeremy is uncuckable just like other person said, he doesn't care who fucks his women.

 

[GokutheG]

My guy in christ... 5 years ago I would have agree with you. Now? The game is borderline below average and her "work" is entirely run of the mill at this point. Sure there are all different paths that affect the story, yet I'm 5 years in waiting for one damn path to come onto the launch pad, with only recent times getting small crumbs of hope. There are quite a number of games that have many paths that affect the story that are on par, if not do a better job than ORS.

So, politely, I call bullshit.

I think that's a bit too far tho. Is the game living up to the potential that the beginning had? No. Compared to most of the female protagonist tag games on this site it is still in the top percentile even tho it's obvious Eva is having a hard time with the story especially on the non Lena/Ian paths.

 

[SerHawkes]

I think that's a bit too far tho. Is the game living up to the potential that the beginning had? No. Compared to most of the female protagonist tag games on this site it is still in the top percentile even tho it's obvious Eva is having a hard time with the story especially on the non Lena/Ian paths.

And whose fault is that? She's having a hard time on Non Lena/Ian paths because she has completely abandoned her proposed story in favor of trying, abietly failing, to make everyone happy.

She could have told all of her supports who were requesting and demanding things this: "I understand that you want to see certain things. And you will, however I very much want to focus on shaping this story as I see fit. While you may see less of some things, there will be varies things here and there I hope will satisfy some.'

Now, it would be likely she would have lost some money with that possible statement, but I think she still would have retained most of her supports and would likely have supported her even more had she stuck to her story. She didn't. And right now she is scrambling to try and save face with everyone. More Lena fucking every possible dude or chick possible to cater to the NTR/Cucks while shafting Ian with less and less time on screen and time with any of the girls.

 

[silentguardian]

any news about the chapter 4?

 

[russelld]

My guy in christ... 5 years ago I would have agree with you. Now? The game is borderline below average and her "work" is entirely run of the mill at this point. Sure there are all different paths that affect the story, yet I'm 5 years in waiting for one damn path to come onto the launch pad, with only recent times getting small crumbs of hope. There are quite a number of games that have many paths that affect the story that are on par, if not do a better job than ORS.

So, politely, I call bullshit.

Politely I ask name one that even comes close? I've literally played hundreds of AVN's and none come even close to this one when it comes to choices and a variety of paths. If you prefer to see one relationship more than another or you're not happy how one character has not been developed then it's too bad. There is enough of a buffet here to choose from and be satisfied with.

 

[GokutheG]

And whose fault is that? She's having a hard time on Non Lena/Ian paths because she has completely abandoned her proposed story in favor of trying, abietly failing, to make everyone happy.

She could have told all of her supports who were requesting and demanding things this: "I understand that you want to see certain things. And you will, however I very much want to focus on shaping this story as I see fit. While you may see less of some things, there will be varies things here and there I hope will satisfy some.'

Now, it would be likely she would have lost some money with that possible statement, but I think she still would have retained most of her supports and would likely have supported her even more had she stuck to her story. She didn't. And right now she is scrambling to try and save face with everyone. More Lena fucking every possible dude or chick possible to cater to the NTR/Cucks while shafting Ian with less and less time on screen and time with any of the girls.

It's obvious that Lena/Ian is the spark for this game's creation. I think Eva just underestimated the amount of players who aren't interested in this pairing so now she needs to spend even more time developing the side relations to be satisfactory. I'm not interested in the pairing and it's not for any fetish/kink reasons. I find that pairing uninteresting due to how heavily Eva pushed it in the beginning of the game if you just wanted to play it as Lena being friends with him. I think the biggest hurdle Eva set up for her self is trying to make this game have 2 different protagonists at the same time and maintaining all the different branches. I think the kink focus is really just a crutch the dev uses while she tries to come up with an interesting story because she has experience with that from her previous game since it's easier.

Would Eva have had an easier time if she made a kinetic story where Lena always date Ian? Maybe. I know personally I hate when games force the mc to already have a significant other.

The reason Lena seems to get more in terms of content over Ian is because she grew her audience off of being able to play as a girl since her first game and Ian seems to have been a challenge that she set for herself since she thought she could tackle certain topics with a guy mc.

Is it really considered "cucking/NTR" for Lena to sleep with all the girls and/or guys the player can if Lena has no relationship with Ian?

 

[Xiaen]

Man that glory hole scene with Holy was a banger. I can't wait for last chapters where Ivy, Lena and Holly do some crazy stuff together.