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Mmh stan the man has infinity stats, so if he would masturbate with an Glove, would it be the infinity gauntlet?
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Mmh stan the man has infinity stats, so if he would masturbate with an Glove, would it be the infinity gauntlet?
Just replayed and went the Ian/Cindy route. That sex scene was probably one of the hottest scenes I've ever seen. Really good writing and build up. I'm curious what you guys think will happen if they do decide to pursue a relationship. Perry has made it clear that he does not tolerate this behavior. Ian could potentially lose his friend group and home. Would Cindy still want to be with him if he loses all that?
- Jan 24, 2020
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I need the update so bad. Hope it will be soon, I want to see more Cindy and Lena.
- Nov 25, 2019
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Yeah Stan might be a cuck and Lena will just let him take a look when she gets fucked by studs like Mike, Axel, Jeremy etc...
lot of the previous posts regarding Seymour's stats is a bit over focus on the idea of intelligence. Arguing the flawed view of philosophy and etc. Over looking the basic facts and traits of the character. That is he is politically connected and economically successful; dont get that way without some kind of smarts.
More importantly; the man is a manipulator. Now maybe Eva didnt do it quiet that well, the reception is debatable and subjective, but that is the point of the interactions with him thus far is suppose to convey.
The man is of means and able to use it and can do so directly and indirectly and should not be taken lightly. Least thats my take on the character thus far in the story.
Also, the dialogue over the philiosphy (forgot who exactly) is mainly to convey how that character views things. Right or wrong.
More importantly; the man is a manipulator. Now maybe Eva didnt do it quiet that well, the reception is debatable and subjective, but that is the point of the interactions with him thus far is suppose to convey.
The man is of means and able to use it and can do so directly and indirectly and should not be taken lightly. Least thats my take on the character thus far in the story.
Also, the dialogue over the philiosphy (forgot who exactly) is mainly to convey how that character views things. Right or wrong.
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Perry is a whiny loser... Ian should not help him with Emma and especially with Cherry...
I thought about leaving him by not paying rent. Then his dad appeared so I kept him for Lena.
I think the issue is more that, at least with how those cards had their stats arranged, is that both "wits" and "charisma" are kind of overlapping into one big ball of "social intelligence".
Doesn't make much sense to have two stats to convey the same ability (in this case, social aptitude) so some people are of the opinion that "charisma" should be the stat for characters that can be good manipulators, while "wits" should be a stat for more general intelligence. Issue is that EvaKiss had those cards make Ian's and Lena's friends look like literal cavemen compared to Seymour, Axel, and Ivy, which feels a bit silly when we consider the only things those characters are better at so far is social manipulation (also internally inconsistent since Holly had really high wits but she is as socially naive as they come).
Also if "wits" was to be more general intelligence, I feel that would involve a level of mental wellbeing and introspection, which characters like Seymour, Ivy, and Axel are all lacking with their borderline sociopathic behavior.
- Dec 4, 2017
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Stan wouldn't say no to banging Louise, the dude is so desperate that it'd be consensual, even if she humiliates him verbally in the process (unless I underestimate his dignity). Stan "hatefucking" Louise can never be consensual i.e. is impossible unless she's drunk, drugged, blindfolded, or otherwise tricked. Louise is disgusted by Stan and isn't even attracted to him. The only consensual sex scenario I can picture between Stan and Louise is the one initiated by Louise for various reasons (guilt + newfound appreciation that ends up in a romantic attraction OR sexual frustration mixed with disgust which makes her develop some sort of kink, etc).
To reiterate, hatefucking needs to have a mutual desire, even if both participants can't stand each other in terms of personality but are attracted to each other sexually. This is why the only hatefucking I can imagine is the one initiated by Louise because then it means they both desire each other (Stan ogled Louise several times implying that he'd like to fuck her if she presents him the opportunity).
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There even is an example in-game: IanxMinerva.
Seymour overall is very intelligent and is charismatic to maneuver to achieve and profit. the two dont really overlap; a person dont have to be very educated to charm people or convince them to do things.
again manipulator, he is smart and very persuasive to be where he is.
Ian's and Lena friends measurements does not mean they are lesser, its general measure of who these people are and fairly representative on the interactions with them. overall they are generally average people given the point of their lives and dialogue we interact with as the story progress.
Jeremy is charismatic but not exactly all that bright on a lot of things considering a key flaw of his is driven by his lust and in a triangle dilemma with Ivy and Louis.
Louis is same only not that charming considering how blunt and judgemental, right or wrong.
Holly meek and naive personality is fairly fit give her a low charisma. lot of it is based on confidence to argue or sway a person. She is smart, but i but is less likely to convince others or lose her nerve or be shaken in a conversation.
perry's personality and dialogue show he aint a very charming person and appropriate given how defiant on going beyond what he is comfortable with and lacks a bit of restraint considering he did almost drive wade in a rage regarding cindy.
sociopath....read many of those arguments many times and many on cindy. dont think a lot of people clearly understand what a sociopath is or how they operate or defines them.
Not that im an expert either, but in regards of Ivy....way off base.
Basic definition is a person who is antisocial and lacking a conscience. Seymour is perhaps accurate on it given he is self serving and based on revealing connections and etc thus far, man is self serving and will use and exploit and anything and anyone to get what he wants.
Ivy....very free spirit individual i suppose and is driven by her confidence in her own sexuality but highly doubtful on her being a sociopath. Considering her friendship with Lena and , from what i remember, general attitude when or should the reader choose to reveal or setup the dilemma regarding with Jeremy and Louise. Now unless a reveal shows otherwise, she is a person who embraced her sexuality and willing to use it, but its not completely morally bankrupt, unorthodox sure, and does have a....at least unusual stance on caring for her friends or friendship with Lena.
Louise is the best example character for this, I'm fine with her having low charisma for the reasons you mentioned, but she's getting a master's degree on literature and she has a "wits" stat of 5, tied with Ivy (who didn't go to college), losing to Mike (???) and Axel. We have seen absolutely nothing to even indicate those characters have "higher than average" intelligence besides their social aptitudes (which should fall under charisma, not wits), and yet they are handily beating characters like Emma, Perry, and Wade, which we have seen nothing from them to indicate "lower than average" intelligence aside from social ineptitude (which again should fall under charisma, not wits).
Again, in matters of social aptitude, it is clear Seymour is much more skilled than Holly, but that is already reflected in his charisma stat, you can't argue it is fine for him to have an absurdly high "wits" because of his manipulation skills and at the same time also argue there isn't an overlap between "wits" and "charisma" in the form of "social intelligence".
Also we know basically nothing of how Seymour got his money, assuming that it happened strictly because of his intelligence is a bit of "wealth worshipping". For all we know he could have inherited most of it, or been involved with crime and gotten lucky.
Also the issue with his take on "philosophy" is that if he were to debate his "social darwinist" takes with anyone that has an academic level of knowledge in sociology, he would be straight up embarassed. Which is why some people hold the opinion that him having a "wits" stat of 10 is a bit silly, since from what we have seen so far he is just a rich stubborn old man doing evil shit and cherry-picking quotes from philosophers to desperately try to convince people he isn't actually evil.
I'm not saying he can't actually be a genius and just willingly evil rather than ignorant and self-deluded, but most demonstrations of his intelligence so far have been little more than pretension.
You might have missed some details about Ivy's story, we know already that she was actually ostracized and bullied during high-school, with Lena being pretty much her only friend. She wants to pass an image of a confident and completely self-reliant person, but she has some concerning attitudes here and there that maybe indicate she might be a little obssessed with Lena and that she seems to be a bit ruthless and uncaring about other people's wellbeing if they get on her way.
Mostly only theories for now, but it is a bit suspicious how she is trying to stonewall any possible ammends between Lena and Cherry, how she is pretty pushy about trying to "corrupt" Holly during their hangouts, and just how much she antagonizes Louise.
Maybe it is a little bit too early to call her behavior sociopathic, but the stuff she can do to hurt Louise is definitely leaning towards it.
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Are you blind? Louise insists on prancing around half naked in front of Stan, she leaves her door open when she has sex and she is extra loud just to make sure Stan can hear everything. And then the constant taunting. She even dropped her panties in his room (the whole Lola story doesn't make any sense) so she could accuse him. She is basically begging him to take her!
- Nov 15, 2020
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Are you blind? Louise insists on prancing around half naked in front of Stan, she leaves her door open when she has sex and she is extra loud just to make sure Stan can hear everything. And then the constant taunting. She even dropped her panties in his room (the whole Lola story doesn't make any sense) so she could accuse him. She is basically begging him to take her!
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Haven't thought about that, but I can't think of anything that makes it likely in the short term. Alison wants Ian for herself. We've probably all noticed the small hints at a Ian/Jeremy/Alison threesome, which requires that Ian doesn't show maximum interest in Alison early in the game. I guess the female equivalent to Jeremy in that sense would be Cherry. Ian can sleep with her during their first encounter without Alison getting insanely jealous (unlike if he sleeps with Lena), and Cherry and Alison are already friends. So if you don't burn any bridges with either of them (if you're dating Lena you won't get the latest Cherry sexting scene), that might be a possibility later on. But I haven't noticed anything that specifically hints at it.
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Very likely, imo. She is heads over heels for Ian. She may do almost everything that he asks her to, like cumming inside her, modelling for him - anal, that she said she doesn't like, will probably happen as well. If Ian tries for a threesome, I can see her agreeing to it, as long as she is with someone she feels confident on herself with (it wouldn't work with Lena, for example) and it being a one time only with said girl.
Now that I'm thinking about it, this might end up leading to similar scenario that happened between Axel, Cherry and Lena.
- Dec 4, 2017
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For now, very unlikely. The only girl she's cool with (in terms of fucking the same guy occasionally) is Cherry, but in Alison's route, Cherry wants to stop seeing Ian because she doesn't want to mix up in weird feelings. Emma is a hard stop for Alison, I can imagine Cindy being as well (since it shows Ian to be kind of an asshole to his friends). Lena makes her feel very jealous and challenged, even if they haven't met. I could see her potentially being okay with Holly though, Alison isn't as concerned with Holly's feelings and wouldn't feel threatened by her presence. And I can see Ian influencing Alison's decision in his favor with pretty much any girl if he's dominant enough in their relationship, but that would require some time and first some commitments on Ian's part (like that trip together). Otherwise, she'll just hop on the Jeremy ride whenever Ian prefers to hang out with other ladies.