VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.2 Full] [Eva Kiss]

[SilverArrow20XX]

Porn would be considered sexual relations for money no?

No, because the sexual relations are not being done with the person paying.
The actors are paid to create content, and then consumers pay for the content.

Strip clubs are similar.
Dancers are paid to do erotic dance performances by the club, and the customers pay an entrance fee to watch.
Sure, they can give tips and request specific dances, but it's not prostitution until they can pay to give or receive physical sexual contact.

 

[Princess Groundhog]

Porn and OF is definitely a type of sex work. Even Eva is technically a sex worker, since she's making a porn game.

 

[Ninja of Death]

Porn and OF is definitely a type of sex work. Even Eva is technically a sex worker, since she's making a porn game.

 

[BlandChili]

I loved the sugar daddy route back in gggb and i wonder if seymour will be geater sugar daddy for lena and maker dirtier than ask ( I love dark fantasies ) hhhhhhh

I don't get the impression that it will be entirely the same, assuming the direction will at least be similar. Tbh I don't really understand why Seymour is so interested in Lena but it might just be an obsession thing from his side.

Rather, I think the Seymour route will be less about sexual depravity and more about social dependence. Lena who leans Seymour's way could become a glamour model propped up by his money. He gets to appear suave and crafty while Lena gets to taste the good life, behind the scenes is an unknown but Lena might end up becoming one of Seymour's business perks, like, a business interest could be persuaded to work with Seymour for some entertainment with Lena? Lena might put up with being objectified like that if it benefits her, or if Seymour gains a hook on her somehow.

I'm not personally interested in the typical sugar-daddy themes, just sex for stuff, but I could find it interesting if Lena and Seymour were to set up more of a quid pro quo relationship where one gains by indulging the other in some way.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I don't get the impression that it will be entirely the same, assuming the direction will at least be similar. Tbh I don't really understand why Seymour is so interested in Lena but it might just be an obsession thing from his side.

The satisfying thrill of conquering a confident, intelligent and self-respecting, gorgeous young woman who would otherwise never put herself in that position. The power involved in turning a Madonna into his own personal whore.

Cindy is arguably the more attractive character, but with a will that's much easier to crush. Maybe it's a way of getting back at that hot crush in Junior High who rejected him long before he was a rich old lecher. Who knows? But the challenge and power involved is a huge part of it, and maybe some sort of vengeance on a deeply buried insecurity or even misplaced jealousy that a girl like Lena embodies to him.

 

[BlandChili]

The satisfying thrill of conquering a confident, intelligent and self-respecting, gorgeous young woman who would otherwise never put herself in that position. The power involved in turning a Madonna into his own personal whore.

[...] But the challenge and power involved is a huge part of it, and maybe some sort of vengeance on a deeply buried insecurity or even misplaced jealousy that a girl like Lena embodies to him.

I can buy the premise of all this speculation, I just don't think the game sells it entirely in all outcomes.
Lena can meet Seymour that one time in the museum and then elect never to contact him again, randomly running into him on the job and then he will still turn up at her music gig for some reason.

Sure, Seymour could assume that Lena is confident, intelligent and self-respecting but I don't think she's expressed all this thoroughly enough for him to have made such a conclusion, unless you do decide to meet him and eventually work with him. On the routes where you ignore him as Lena I don't get why he'd remain interested in her specifically. She's just a pretty nude model he met once, he has to have encountered women similar to Lena a ton of times.

Of course one could argue that the Lena that denies his requests, or just ignores it completely, intrigues him too but then I think the story better express so soon and do it convincingly.

 

[dogedoge]

Tbh I don't really understand why Seymour is so interested in Lena but it might just be an obsession thing from his side.

Maybe it's a way of getting back at that hot crush in Junior High who rejected him long before he was a rich old lecher. Who knows? But the challenge and power involved is a huge part of it, and maybe some sort of vengeance on a deeply buried insecurity or even misplaced jealousy that a girl like Lena embodies to him.

Could this mystery person be Lena's mom?

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I can buy the premise of all this speculation, I just don't think the game sells it entirely in all outcomes.
Lena can meet Seymour that one time in the museum and then elect never to contact him again, randomly running into him on the job and then he will still turn up at her music gig for some reason.

Sure, Seymour could assume that Lena is confident, intelligent and self-respecting but I don't think she's expressed all this thoroughly enough for him to have made such a conclusion, unless you do decide to meet him and eventually work with him. On the routes where you ignore him as Lena I don't get why he'd remain interested in her specifically. She's just a pretty nude model he met once, he has to have encountered women similar to Lena a ton of times.

Of course one could argue that the Lena that denies his requests, or just ignores it completely, intrigues him too but then I think the story better express so soon and do it convincingly.

I do feel like the game is implying something along those lines. He lusts for her in the sense that he needs to control and conquer her. But yeah. I agree that it wasn't sold that well in the writing since other than being pretty, Lena doesn't come off as fully fleshed out or remarkable enough to warrant that obsession in his interactions with her. Nor does he with his intellect. It's all just implied by their reactions to each other and other characters' reactions to them. In a movie, this could be sold by good actors, but in a book or VN, it needs to rely on great text or extremely well-communicative expressions that only the best comic artists can pull off with time on their side.

Though your experience can partially also be explained by phoned-in writing on the paths where Lena has no interest in working with him. His involvement in the game is unavoidable and since he was likely planned to be a major path for Lena, Eva focused more on that than on cleaning up the writing where Lena had no interest.

The buried resentment that forces the motivation is pure speculation on my end, but nothing else made sense to explain his motivations to me or why he chose her specifically.

It's a bit like a film about the best fictional painter in the world. If you can't manufacture a work of art that will dazzle the viewer IRL, most filmmakers would just avoid showing the picture, instead of letting the picture do it's thing and leave the audience wondering what the big deal is.

[What would wrap this up greatly - and justify it - as an alternate, is if Lena finds out, maybe from Agnes, that he does this to every very pretty girl of a certain age. She's not special at all. Both she and the viewers have been had. Seymour's merely a rich, old, lecherous pervert who's believed his own lies so long that most everyone else does too. I'd give Eva props for that. Though I haven't played the path where she's ignored him completely so I'm unsure how their interactive text matches up in that situation].

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Could this mystery person be Lena's mom?

Or his, or a certain type of woman in general. Or just a deep-seeded insecurity or resentment that he has no-one to blame for but himself. But there's some sort of motivation for lusting after that kind of control of whatever Lena's supposed to represent to him. [Unless he's deceiving everyone and goes full-blown corruption path on every hot young woman of a certain physical caliber he can get his hands on].

 

[TheUnforeseenMessenger]

Porn and OF is definitely a type of sex work. Even Eva is technically a sex worker, since she's making a porn game.

You're not wrong since she provides "adult entertainment" and provides a sex-related product/service, according to wikipedia. I was very surprised to see that she'd fit that category. I don't think she'll consider herself one though, despite the definition - just my thought. She's a game developer is what she sees herself. She has always been trying to improve her game, which may or may not always involve sex elements.

 

[dogedoge]

Or his, or a certain type of woman in general. Or just a deep-seeded insecurity or resentment that he has no-one to blame for but himself. But there's some sort of motivation for lusting after that kind of control of whatever Lena's supposed to represent to him. [Unless he's deceiving everyone and goes full-blown corruption path on every hot young woman of a certain physical caliber he can get his hands on].

Plotwise, it would make sense if Seymour was holding some sort of grudge against Lena's mother. That would explain his obsession with Lena (to a certain extent), and it would also fit in the "red string" aspect of the narrative.

 

[Sorrow85]

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Hi guys,
I don't have much to report other than work has been progressing in the same manner than I reported last time: I'm combining the writing with editing and finishing the illustrations bit by bit. This past week my birthday happened (another thing that gets in the way of work!) but my focus is still on Chapter 9 and so far I thing it's coming along nicely. Soon I'll be done with the first block of the content and I'll send it to my trustworthy testers so we can tidy things up while I keep working on the second block.

Hi hope I can make good progress during this week and move further with the writing. I'm trying to move the plot forward in this chapter, and it also contains some long-awaited (at least to me) scenes. After forgetting for two weeks straight, here's finally the title reveal for Chapter 9. Does it give you any hint about what's coming in this update?




I hope you enjoyed the character-card gimmick, it was very interesting reading your comments and thoughts about the stats and you made me want to revise some of them. At some point I'll probably make a second edition with more characters and variations (might as well come up with some kind of rule-set to play with them just for fun). I'm sure you noticed Stan missing amongst the cast, but I'll talk about that further down the line, when Chapter 9 Alpha is out.

Talk to you soon!

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Hi guys,
I don't have much to report other than work has been progressing in the same manner than I reported last time: I'm combining the writing with editing and finishing the illustrations bit by bit. This past week my birthday happened (another thing that gets in the way of work!) but my focus is still on Chapter 9 and so far I thing it's coming along nicely. Soon I'll be done with the first block of the content and I'll send it to my trustworthy testers so we can tidy things up while I keep working on the second block.

Hi hope I can make good progress during this week and move further with the writing. I'm trying to move the plot forward in this chapter, and it also contains some long-awaited (at least to me) scenes. After forgetting for two weeks straight, here's finally the title reveal for Chapter 9. Does it give you any hint about what's coming in this update?

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I hope you enjoyed the character-card gimmick, it was very interesting reading your comments and thoughts about the stats and you made me want to revise some of them. At some point I'll probably make a second edition with more characters and variations (might as well come up with some kind of rule-set to play with them just for fun). I'm sure you noticed Stan missing amongst the cast, but I'll talk about that further down the line, when Chapter 9 Alpha is out.

Talk to you soon!

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Well, that chapter title more or less proves that it's Seymour's time to shine. I imagine that the "long-awaited scenes" also will include Axel.

But what's the deal with waiting until Chapter 9 to say anything about omitting Stan? My first reaction was "Oh wow, did something happen to Stan?", but then I remembered that it's just a game and nothing happens to him if Eva doesn't say so. I'm sure we'll manage to come up with a bunch of more or less conspirational theories about it before the chapter is out…

 

[Aiwass]

I don't know. Sometimes the old saying is true. "If you want something done right you've gotta do it yourself, as long as you're limber and have a long enough penis." - Abraham Lincoln, I think.

Put on The Greatest Love Of All. Light some candles. Break out the personal pizza. Cheap date that always puts out and is never stingy with the tongue action.

I mean, you jack off, right? So does that mean you enjoy giving handjobs?

Nope, it's about the feeling. In fact when you jack off you're not putting a lot of attention on what your hands feelings, and for the hardcore jerks there are also some techniques to make it even more of a weakened feeling about your hand (for example, sitting in your hand for at least 15 minutes before jerking off, doing it with the weaker hand etc.). When you jack off it's about 80% penis feelings and maybe 20% hands feeling, in self sucking is pretty much 80% like sucking a dick and 20% getting sucked. It could be a 50% 50% if you like both, but I don't.

 

[daliath]

But what's the deal with waiting until Chapter 9 to say anything about omitting Stan?

My bet is that Stan's surname is a big spoiler, so it can't be revealed until after alpha is released.

I don't know... maybe Stan is Seymour's son?

 

[dundun]

Well, that chapter title more or less proves that it's Seymour's time to shine. I imagine that the "long-awaited scenes" also will include Axel.

But what's the deal with waiting until Chapter 9 to say anything about omitting Stan? My first reaction was "Oh wow, did something happen to Stan?", but then I remembered that it's just a game and nothing happens to him if Eva doesn't say so. I'm sure we'll manage to come up with a bunch of more or less conspirational theories about it before the chapter is out…

Seymour/Axel confirmed! But that is just Lena. What about Ian?
That thing about Stan is really weird, though. It is just a frigging card, what could there possibly be a problem?

My bet is that Stan's surname is a big spoiler, so it can't be revealed until after alpha is released.

I don't know... maybe Stan is Seymour's son?

His surname is Korzybski. The phone/menu has an agenda with Name/Age/Bio of all characters.

 

[gena orlov]

My bet is that Stan's surname is a big spoiler, so it can't be revealed until after alpha is released.

I don't know... maybe Stan is Seymour's son?

Stan Korzybski is already in the game (since v0.1 i think).

 

[Satiro]

LUST AND POWER

We had Cindy with new outfit, for this reason, Cindy Should be in the next update

Seymor(power) no doubt.... Maybe Axel with Lena and/or Cindy

Who Knows?!

 

[Dirtytreenaturd]

My bet is that Stan's surname is a big spoiler, so it can't be revealed until after alpha is released.

I don't know... maybe Stan is Seymour's son?

That sounds like a very good guess! Damn! Stan is probably a shut in because he couldn't live up to his father's expectations. Very interesting indeed!
Edit: Just read some of the comments below yours and was reminded we already know Stan's last name. Doesn't mean it's impossible though. He could be using his mother's last name in order to draw less attention to himself.

 

[lcvargas]

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Hi guys,
I don't have much to report other than work has been progressing in the same manner than I reported last time: I'm combining the writing with editing and finishing the illustrations bit by bit. This past week my birthday happened (another thing that gets in the way of work!) but my focus is still on Chapter 9 and so far I thing it's coming along nicely. Soon I'll be done with the first block of the content and I'll send it to my trustworthy testers so we can tidy things up while I keep working on the second block.

Hi hope I can make good progress during this week and move further with the writing. I'm trying to move the plot forward in this chapter, and it also contains some long-awaited (at least to me) scenes. After forgetting for two weeks straight, here's finally the title reveal for Chapter 9. Does it give you any hint about what's coming in this update?

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I hope you enjoyed the character-card gimmick, it was very interesting reading your comments and thoughts about the stats and you made me want to revise some of them. At some point I'll probably make a second edition with more characters and variations (might as well come up with some kind of rule-set to play with them just for fun). I'm sure you noticed Stan missing amongst the cast, but I'll talk about that further down the line, when Chapter 9 Alpha is out.

Talk to you soon!

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This screams a lot of LenaxSeymour scenes!!!