VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.3] [Eva Kiss]

[Zedire]

Yeah, still, Lena got the short end of the stick. So far the only decent partners for her are Ian, which Is my only option, and the girl Holly...

I agree, Lena has definitely come out worse for choice in this game. Either the guys are douches, or they're not that interesting, or I don't find their sex scenes anywhere near as hot as Ian's scenes (which are almost all fantastic, and nothing tops that Ian x Cindy scene).

Jeremy - boring douche with no personality, Robert - boring douche with bad personality, Mike - not much of a personality and just kind of meh all round. Personally I don't really feel that any of the guys, besides Ian, are up to Lena's standard right now.

I do like Axel (I found him interesting when he had those conversations with Ian), but I'll only feel he's okay for Lena if he has some sort of reformation path along the way. Reason being, I don't plan on playing a Lena who's willing to overlook how he treated her just because she likes his cock, and I wouldn't want Axel with her as he is right now because of the obsessiveness and likelihood he'd just cheat on her again. I'd really like something akin to what we got with Jack in GGGB where one he falls for Ashley and opens up to her he genuinely turns out to be a decent guy under that shallow exterior. Originally I didn't think I'd like Jack (besides his looks), but I ended up loving him.

I'd like for there to be guys that can appreciate Lena for more then just her beauty and body, seeing as what makes her stand out from other characters is her love of writing and playing music, and the fact she has a compassionate and (mostly) moral head on her shoulders. Only two people truly seem to appreciate that in her right now - Holly and Ian.

I also don't mind Seymour (or at least, there's potential there if he's written well), but I really hope there will be the chance for Lena to earn his respect over time via her intelligence and resilience, to the point that he'll eventually see her as something akin to an equal, and then fall for her despite himself. A relationship between Seymour and a Lena that doesn't take any crap could be seriously interesting if done well. The fact that it would probably cause a lot of tension with some of her (former-) friends would make for some interesting storytelling, and sex scenes could be hot af and quite wild if there's a shifting power dynamic between them.

 

[John Doe Jr.]

I would love to see why the people love Stan so much. To me, he seems pretty forgetable and your standard run of the mill loser with not much interesting or going on in their lives.

 

[Deleted member 53157]

I would love to see why the people love Stan so much. To me, he seems pretty forgetable and your standard run of the mill loser with not much interesting or going on in their lives.

I am baffled as well, he has nothing going for him. Looks or personality. Stan preference is just here in this forum. The vast majority of Eva patrons prefer Jeremy and Seymor.

 

[lifehacks]

It’s exactly because he is a loser and a nobody that he is liked by many. Everybody likes an underdog story, and Stan is just that. For some of us he is more relateable than big dick charmer Jeremy and evil rich guy Seymour.

Also as far as I know he is liked by a lot of Patreons, based on his latest mentions in comments and the popularity poll sometime ago.

 

[jamdan]

I would love to see why the people love Stan so much. To me, he seems pretty forgetable and your standard run of the mill loser with not much interesting or going on in their lives.

That just makes him relatable to the average player

 

[jduk]

I am baffled as well, he has nothing going for him. Looks or personality. Stan preference is just here in this forum. The vast majority of Eva patrons prefer Jeremy and Seymor.

The worst of them all lol. The idiot who thinks he is the shit, and the old capitalist who acts smartass... I even prefer Perry above those two guys seriously.

 

[jduk]

People, me included, like Stan because he seems an ok guy with low self-esteem and intelligent enough to have a job in stem. I like to see him get better and more confident and score with chicks. I also hate the way Louise behaves towards him...

 

[BlandChili]

It’s exactly because he is a loser and a nobody that he is liked by many. Everybody likes an underdog story, and Stan is just that. For some of us he is more relateable than big dick charmer Jeremy and evil rich guy Seymour.

See, despite my own lack of attraction to Stan I can totally understand how he might appeal to some players, especially male players (correct me if I am wrong for assuming this applies to you), I imagine he serves as an option to self-insert for a portion of the userbase too, not everyone plays the same way.

My only issue with Stan, in regards to him as a concrete sex/romance option for Lena, is that it feels like any development with him is either at snail's pace or full throttle:
If Lena's naughty with him that one time in the beginning you'll catch him wanking the trunk to her images later and if you don't go that far nothing further really develops till the current point in the story.

What I don't understand about some of the people that like Stan (not pointing at you specifically lifehacks) is the section that wants him to rape Louise and blackmail Lena. Given the audience on a porn forum I won't judge people for their fantasies but surely there are more options for Stan than that of the complete creep?

I've said previously that I wouldn't give Stan the time of day unless he improves his situation himself, by that I mean that I'd want something to happen to prove that Stan could be more than "a loner who never leaves his room" to Lena.
This doesn't necessarily have to result in a romance, it could be purely sexual too.
For example Stan could stand up for Lena in some way or show his ability to function normally, it could be a specific moment that shows his character when it comes down to it, or it could develop as the early chapters indicated; with continuous pleasant conversation options for him and Lena to interact which, might finally give him the bravery to ask her on a date (or something) of his own accord. I could imagine playing such a route, where Stan gets to the point where he braves whatever social anxiety he has, to ask out the girl that doesn't treat him like crap.
While I won't ever be physically attracted to Stan by his current design I could totally play his route, sexual scenes and all, if it ran along that kind of theme.

 

[doctor13]

That just makes him relatable to the average player

Yeah, he's basically the average F95zone member.

 

[lifehacks]

See, despite my own lack of attraction to Stan I can totally understand how he might appeal to some players, especially male players (correct me if I am wrong for assuming this applies to you), I imagine he serves as an option to self-insert for a portion of the userbase too, not everyone plays the same way.

Stan is certainly not for everyone. I am male, I do not insert myself into the story in that kind of way. I think Stan and in some ways Perry as well, can symbolize the complete corruption of Lena. That is the ‘fetish’, full on corruption, because they shouldn’t in any world stand a chance with a woman like her.

 

[jduk]

Well very few people globally are Axels. Average guy is trying hard to get women. Perry is annoying, Jeremy is a fool, Ian is the generic option, Wade is kind of relatable maybe to some, Mike is one of those fuckbois, Robert is kind of douche , Seymour an old capitalist egoistic idiot... Etc. Stan looks an ok guy, just shy and awkward, he has repressed sexual energy and combined with social anxiety, makes him appear weird to girls. I stand by Stan. Stan the man. Maybe Lena can help him, and he can meet Holly etc...

 

[mannice431]

That just makes him relatable to the average player

Stan's the guy who is such a total SIMP that he's not afraid to admit it (he also dresses up with a fedora, that's a win in my book).

He's relatable in his shamefulness, which is exactly why people want to get him with Lena.

Then you have Perry, man fuck that guy, can't wait to tell him i'm pounding Emma in the ass.

Edit: I think it's tied to who we would probably be if we were in the EvaKiss Cinematic Universe, we'd be less Ian and certainly more like Stan.

 

[bauman]

He's relatable in his shamefulness, which is exactly why people want to get him with Lena.

Stan stopped being a relatable insecure guy the moment he became a Peeping Tom, spying on Lena fucking other guys. Since then, he's been giving me 'i studied the blade' vibes. Hopefully, Eva goes all the way to fedora core territory with his character because the 'shy nerd' type has been done way too often in VNs.

 

[Deleted member 53157]

That just makes him relatable to the average player

I always thought this kind of characters like Stan are an exaggeration for comic relief. Even the most shy and socially awkward people I know are not at this level.

 

[jack518]

I always thought this kind of characters like Stan are an exaggeration for comic relief. Even the most shy and socially awkward people I know are not at this level.

Definitely agree that it comes across as exaggerated comic relief.

I think a part of it isn't just relatability for people but rather seeing someone that is creepy/unattractive get laid. Same reason why there are ntr games like that as well.

 

[jduk]

The fedora thing was so funny... It was clearly meant as a joke...

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Plotwise, it would make sense if Seymour was holding some sort of grudge against Lena's mother. That would explain his obsession with Lena (to a certain extent), and it would also fit in the "red string" aspect of the narrative.

Sure and it could be. But that is speculation upon speculation at this point. There have been zero hints or foreshadowing in the game so far that would lead anyone to that conclusion and most good writers would leave at least a puzzle-piece hint to prepare us mentally for what's coming as that piece clicks into place. It's not nearly as out-there as the great spaghetti monster in the sky that created the universe, but it is random at this point based on what we know so far.

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

Nope, it's about the feeling. In fact when you jack off you're not putting a lot of attention on what your hands feelings, and for the hardcore jerks there are also some techniques to make it even more of a weakened feeling about your hand (for example, sitting in your hand for at least 15 minutes before jerking off, doing it with the weaker hand etc.). When you jack off it's about 80% penis feelings and maybe 20% hands feeling, in self sucking is pretty much 80% like sucking a dick and 20% getting sucked. It could be a 50% 50% if you like both, but I don't.

Ok. Check. So to make sure I've got you right: When you've sucked yourself off, you were more focusing on the the taste and texture of all that dick but whenever you jack it's more of a reflex, like you've given a million and one handjobs and it's just part of the job at this point. Clock into work, get some mindless jacks in as the line forms down the block and collect your check on Friday. Read you loud and clear (I think)!

 

[dontcarewhateverno]

I mean I want a good and non-promiscuous ending too, but a part of the game are the sex scenes. After all, it is an erotic game.

For that matter I wouldn't want "good endings" to depend specifically on not having sex scenes, I like mixing music-aspiring Lena with a bit of sex now and then too. I also don't think the game should dictate "decency" to the player, lots of women who have been promiscuous in their life make perfectly loyal romantic partners too.

Corruption is a part of the game and while I agree that it does get overbearing at times I think ultimately part of the point of Lena's story is to choose to give in to temptation or not.

Still keeping a little candle of hoping burning for a route that ends with Lena as that gold-hearted nympho. With all the branching Eva's got to deal with, I don't think it's going to happen though. More likely that getting with certain characters will make her a bad person no matter how you've otherwise played her.

 

[BlandChili]

Still keeping a little candle of hoping burning for a route that ends with Lena as that gold-hearted nympho. With all the branching Eva's got to deal with, I don't think it's going to happen though. More likely that getting with certain characters will make her a bad person no matter how you've otherwise played her.

Perhaps, but keep in mind that this is a erotic game and Eva doesn't really gain anything if it starts to feel to her players like getting sex scenes is a punishment.

Sure, getting with certain characters will likely influence her development, but I think that will come down to more specific choices with those characters.
This'll be hard to say when will come up with Seymour or Axel, but with Mike and Jeremy there is a very distinct cheating element to their routes, with Mike Lena gets off of the idea of being a better sexual partner than some unknown character and with Jeremy she very specifically tells him not to tell Ian. Therefore any player that wants a good but promiscuous Lena knows to stay away from them. Hopefully some sex options will come up that doesn't contain this element by default, as much as a douche Robert is, she doesn't sleep with him for the sake of cheating, at least initially.

Here's hoping that we'll see some more options soon. Perhaps Billy will offer something different or if Lena gets an Ivy route or Emma.