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Why would you reply to my post though?
I'm not a patron and I don't have direct contact with EvaKiss, so I can't anwer your question. I'm just like everyone else here waiting for it PATIENTLY. I suggest you put your energy somewhere else productive rather than constantly asking for an update. It'll be updated when it's ready.
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You forgot to mention that we are making this product famous, so it is not yet clear who owes whom for advertising. )Pirates getting real comfortable demanding content. Wonder how many are actually pledged to the patreon
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- Nov 19, 2017
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ah the good ol' debate between the dev's white knights and the horny pirates whenever an update takes long is always fun to read
- Jul 24, 2021
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Myeah another good dev going down the drain, from one month updates to at some point she said it will be a once at two months release we going for 1-2 updates per year, nice what can i say...
Are you paying now ? So stop the complaining if you are a patron you can go and complain there don't start shiting her while playing her game for free god
Yeah, there's also another option that we don't take in consideration: patreon gives you the option to postpone payments to the patrons, I know because I am part of a group with a patreon and we offer video shows, since we'll not be able to post anything in september since the editor has covid, we postponed every payment until october.
Unless some of her patrons denies this, I can suppose she's doing it.
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Many people look very strangely at copyrights and so on. It's like we're living in the eighties of the twentieth century. Piracy has not been defeated anywhere, in any country of the world. And for twenty years now,the only way to do something with piracy is additional content, from the author's autograph to additional content. Everyone has long since come to terms with piracy and think about it as popularization, advertising. If you wrote a hit song, how can you get money for it from every audio station where it plays? But in return, you will become famous, you will give concerts and earn money on this, and not on the fact that someone in the car listens to a USB flash card with your song. So here the patreons get the goods in the same way as the pirates, but the patreons have privileges, such as influencing the plot or getting information about the development of the game. Pirates stayed in last century we not pirates we are FREE TO PLAY gamers.
- Dec 15, 2020
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This is essentially the same argument bar managers use to not pay a fair wage to amateur musicians.
It is extremely simple: You're pirating a product when you are using it without obtaining it through legitimate means.
You can get ORS on Eva's patreon and you can probably buy it on itch when it's complete. Getting it by any other means is an act of piracy.
I see no reason for the protests though, this whole site is dedicated to sharing content by any means available, just being a user here makes you complicit in the practice.
This isn't an accusation, I'm here too after all, but these justifications are senseless.
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How many people who find the game available to download on this site actually go on to become Patrons of the game, especially when they see the number of Patrons Eva already has?
The 'advertising' a forum like this provides that would go on to creating paying customers for Eva would likely be minimal in comparison to the amount of people getting it for free. She doesn't owe us shit.
Wrong on both accounts. The influence that Patrons have on this game is (almost certainly) minimal:
- They get to do polls, which seem to have no discernible impact on the plot of the game following them, because Eva clearly already has the story well mapped out, and polls likely only satisfy her interest in how aspects of the game are being received. I could be wrong (and correct me if that's the case), but I haven't seen any evidence of a poll actually directing or changing the course of the story.
And I'm thankful that Eva's chosen to retain control, because god knows where fans would take the story if they had free reign, knowing nothing of where Eva truly plans to take the story and characters. It would probably end up cliched, gimmicky, completely devoid of any plot and variety and filled almost entirely with dominant futanari.
- If they're pledging at the highest tier (which is US$190.50), they get a one-time opportunity to have their/a defined likeness appear in the game. But it's just that - an appearance - not a character whose presence has any impact on the story, and Eva gets to decide all the details of who they appear as and when it happens, not the Patron. The patron only gets to decide what the character looks like.
- The only way in which I have seen Patrons have actual influence on something of substance (I guess? though it seems to only be cosmetic, and doesn't influence the story plot) is when they didn't like Eva's original choices for outfits for Ian, and she mixed it up a little as a result.
As for getting information about the development of the game, we get the same info that Patrons do at pretty much exactly the same time as they do, on account of some F95 members being Eva's Patrons and posting the updates here as soon as they drop.
You must be hella bored to find this debate interesting.
I'd prefer to just get back to talking/speculating about characters and game content, frankly.Also, I don't consider myself a 'white knight' - I've found fault with several aspects of the game and would never defend any creator where there's an obvious problem just for the sake of 'simping' or some shit. I do consider myself someone with some knowledge of what goes into the process, as I've had some experience of my own over the years, so I can empathize with some people's frustration here (it's not like I enjoy waiting either), but I also know how much devs throw into their work, creativity and inspiration can't be manufactured, and the fact that they're still human and it can be draining af at times.
patreon is meant to support artists creating content
it's not related to a finished product, that's how kickstarter works
VN games work well with patreon because they can be released in episodes
if ORS updates are taking longer to create because its complexity is increasing, than it's fine and unavoidable
at the end of the day, the patrons themselves will decide if the artist is worth supporting or not
it's not related to a finished product, that's how kickstarter works
VN games work well with patreon because they can be released in episodes
if ORS updates are taking longer to create because its complexity is increasing, than it's fine and unavoidable
at the end of the day, the patrons themselves will decide if the artist is worth supporting or not
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i wanna inform u ppl this update is stated to be 4-5 times larger than chapter 1 so be patient dev did say before October right there is still 5 days left
- Apr 26, 2017
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Pretty much this. Never hurts to remind some people of this again and again...
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People are "supporting artists creating content" not for the sake of supporting them, but because they want to see or experience a product of that creativity, better yet a finished product. Very few people pay money to developers just so those developers could eat, sleep and be creative at something. They want something for their money.
For example, would people support a game on Patreon, if they knew that it is going to be abandon in a couple of months? I doubt that. They want a completed game, not instantly, but eventually.
I hope you are right and the complexity of new updates is a real reason behind delays and a lack of productive activity on Eva Kiss's Patreon. But as far as I remember, back then when Eva was making GGGB there was a strict schedule that she followed even though later updates were much more complex than earlier ones. Such delays are something new.
The problem is, this situation is nothing new. We can find many games, such as Milfy City or Female Agent, where it took more and more time for developers to release new updates (or they created an illusion they had been working on the game by posting useless crap but actually doing nothing) until those games turned into milking machines that suck cash from their patrons.
It is a common situation on Patreon when hard work brings success, success brings money and money brings laziness and complacency.
- May 2, 2017
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IT TRUE . if your pay her patreon every month and new update too much delay more than half years ....
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